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Old 07-30-2010, 02:07 PM   #1
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estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Hi everyone

As my cancer is estrogen triple positive(ER+++) I was looking on internet to find out more about it.

I saw interisting information about using low-dose estrogen therapy (cheap tbs daily) to controll metastatic cancer and improve quality of life.
That is about cases which don't respond to standart treatment. Also said that respond will be back after estrogen therapy.

If anyone heard something about it please share.

It's really important for me as I still don't know if I'll have my next promised treatment(lapatinib).I may not be eligible.

Sending you, amazing women, my love

Galina
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Dx 11/06 age 60
2.8cm Grade 2
ER+++/PR+/HER2+++
R. mast., 5 FEC, 6 Taxotere, 35 radiation
11 mth Herceptin
while on Arimidex 11/09 recurrence to bones (widespread), liver
5 rad. on spine, 6 Taxotere, Herceptin, Zometa
while on this, progression
Xeloda, Zometa every 3 weeks
07/10 stopped Xeloda - doesn't work
having just Zometa, waiting for another treatment
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Old 07-30-2010, 03:01 PM   #2
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

I have'nt heard of this Galina but will be interested in what replies you receive, and really hope you get your next treatment!
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A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
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Old 07-30-2010, 09:35 PM   #3
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Galina,

Tamoxifen or AI are usually given after completion of chemotherapy. However, from the information I located off the drug information, it seems to imply that it can be used simultaneously in the metastatic situation:


Your doctor has prescribed tamoxifen for you. Tamoxifen comes as a tablet to take by mouth.
This medication is used to:
  • treat breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body in men and women.
  • treat early breast cancer in women who have already been treated with surgery, radiation, and/or chemotherapy.
  • reduce the risk of developing a more serious type of breast cancer in women who have had ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS; a type of breast cancer that does not spread outside of the milk duct where it forms) and who have been treated with surgery and radiation.
  • reduce the risk of breast cancer in women who are at high risk for the disease due to their age, personal medical history, and family medical history.
Tamoxifen is in a class of medications known as antiestrogens. It blocks the activity of estrogen (a female hormone) in the breast. This may stop the growth of some breast tumors that need estrogen to grow.
Tamoxifen is usually taken once or twice a day with or without food. Take tamoxifen at around the same time(s) every day. Follow the directions on your prescription label carefully, and ask your doctor or pharmacist to explain anything you do not understand. Take tamoxifen exactly as directed. Do not take more or less of it or take it more often than prescribed by your doctor.
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:41 AM   #4
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

I found this older thread that Rich posted which may be of interest.

http://her2support.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=21901
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A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:43 AM   #5
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

http://www.nationalpost.com/life/hea...463/story.html

This may also be of interest as I think you may have read a similar article.
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Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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Old 07-31-2010, 08:38 AM   #6
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Hi and thanks for the replys.

Jackie, sorry, may be it's my foult - I didn't make it clear. I was talking about ESTROGEN thearapy - using low-dose estrogen to stop BC progression, not ANTI-ESTROGEN thearapy.

Tricia found right links for me as I been reading similar article which called "Low-dose estrogen thearapy stops breast cancer progression"20Aug2009.
Sorry, I'm new with PC so cannot give the link. Hope to learn.

I'd like to try that treatment, not sure it will be possible with my onc. For now not having any treatment as all previous not working any more.

Thanks Tricia again

Galina
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Dx 11/06 age 60
2.8cm Grade 2
ER+++/PR+/HER2+++
R. mast., 5 FEC, 6 Taxotere, 35 radiation
11 mth Herceptin
while on Arimidex 11/09 recurrence to bones (widespread), liver
5 rad. on spine, 6 Taxotere, Herceptin, Zometa
while on this, progression
Xeloda, Zometa every 3 weeks
07/10 stopped Xeloda - doesn't work
having just Zometa, waiting for another treatment
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:02 PM   #7
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Galina,

My friend tried tostesterone after almost twelve years of chemo, sadly it did'nt work for her, but I don 't know enough about it to advise.
I think if chemo is not working anything though, anything is worth a try and hope your onc feels the same way!
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Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:13 PM   #8
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

I personally felt that 66 patient is too small a sample and 1/3 response doesn't prove much of anything. There's no follow-up research/articles after this study was published. Giving estrogen to patient whose tumor is fueled by estrogen is illogical.

Estrodiol cream was given to me a couple of years after my first breast cancer treatment to relieve the 'dryness'. Once my recurrence was found, my doctor told me to stop the cream 'immediately'.

Please talk to your doctor (and more 2nd opinions) before getting this 'treatment'.
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NICU 4.4 LB
Erythema Nodosum 85
Life-long Central Neurocytoma 4x5x6.5 cm 23 hrs 62090 semi-coma 10 d PT OT ST 30 d
3 Infertility tmts 99 > 3 u. fibroids > Pills
CN 3 GKRS 52301
IDC 1.2 cm Her2 +++ ER 5% R. Lmptmy SLNB+1 71703 6 FEC 33 R Tamoxifen
Recc IIB 2.5 cm Bi-L Mast 61407 2/9 nds PET
6 TCH Cellulitis - Lymphedema - compression sleeve & glove
H w x 4 MUGA 51 D, J 49 M
Diastasis recti
Tamoxifen B. scan
Irrtbl bowel 1'09
Colonoscopy 313
BRCA1 V1247I
hptc hemangioma
Vertigo
GI - > yogurt
hysterectomy/oophorectomy 011410
Exemestane 25 mg tab 102912 ~ 101016 stopped due to r. hip/l.thigh pain after long walk
DEXA 1/13
1-2016 lesions in liver largest 9mm & 1.3 cm onco. says not cancer.
3-11 Appendectomy - visually O.K., a lot of puss. Final path result - not cancer.
Start Vitamin D3 and Calcium supplement (600mg x2)
10-10 Stopped Exemestane due to r. hip/l.thigh pain OKed by Onco 11-08-2016
7-23-2018 9 mm groundglass nodule within the right lower lobe with indolent behavior. Due to possible adenocarcinoma, Recommend annual surveilence.
7-10-2019 CT to check lung nodule.
1-10-2020 8mm stable nodule on R Lung, two 6mm new ones on L Lung, a possible lymph node involvement in inter fissule.
"I WANT TO BE AN OUTRAGEOUS OLD WOMAN WHO NEVER GETS CALLED AN OLD LADY. I WANT TO GET SHARP EDGED & EARTH COLORED, TILL I FADE AWAY FROM PURE JOY." Irene from Tampa

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Old 08-01-2010, 01:05 PM   #9
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Tricia, testosterone is different to estrogen I found.

Jackie, sometimes illogical things work in life and I don't mind to experiment. I guess I haven't got much to lose if other treatments don't work for me.

Thank you

Peace and love

Galina
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Dx 11/06 age 60
2.8cm Grade 2
ER+++/PR+/HER2+++
R. mast., 5 FEC, 6 Taxotere, 35 radiation
11 mth Herceptin
while on Arimidex 11/09 recurrence to bones (widespread), liver
5 rad. on spine, 6 Taxotere, Herceptin, Zometa
while on this, progression
Xeloda, Zometa every 3 weeks
07/10 stopped Xeloda - doesn't work
having just Zometa, waiting for another treatment
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Old 08-01-2010, 03:50 PM   #10
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Hi Galina

Yes, I know it's different but thought it may give you something else to look into. My friend who tried it had spent twelve years on chemo and become intolerant so she felt she had nothing to lose.
I agree that anything is worth looking into more, Lani may have more info and advice on this for you if you send her a pm!
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Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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Old 08-01-2010, 04:54 PM   #11
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Gilina,

TDM-1 is said to be coming (getting approved)next January.

This link http://www.tykerb.com/ has the contact information of GSK whom you might be able to talk to directly in order to get the drug for you. Several members on this board has had bone mets or liver mets. Please use the 'Search' button on top and put in 'bone' or 'liver' and look up how they manage their bone mets and liver mets.

Check out also 'Long-term survivor' and 'Long-time survivor' threads (using the 'Search' button) and read the treatment histories of many of the members who contributed to that thread. There are successful stories there. So please don't lose heart.
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NICU 4.4 LB
Erythema Nodosum 85
Life-long Central Neurocytoma 4x5x6.5 cm 23 hrs 62090 semi-coma 10 d PT OT ST 30 d
3 Infertility tmts 99 > 3 u. fibroids > Pills
CN 3 GKRS 52301
IDC 1.2 cm Her2 +++ ER 5% R. Lmptmy SLNB+1 71703 6 FEC 33 R Tamoxifen
Recc IIB 2.5 cm Bi-L Mast 61407 2/9 nds PET
6 TCH Cellulitis - Lymphedema - compression sleeve & glove
H w x 4 MUGA 51 D, J 49 M
Diastasis recti
Tamoxifen B. scan
Irrtbl bowel 1'09
Colonoscopy 313
BRCA1 V1247I
hptc hemangioma
Vertigo
GI - > yogurt
hysterectomy/oophorectomy 011410
Exemestane 25 mg tab 102912 ~ 101016 stopped due to r. hip/l.thigh pain after long walk
DEXA 1/13
1-2016 lesions in liver largest 9mm & 1.3 cm onco. says not cancer.
3-11 Appendectomy - visually O.K., a lot of puss. Final path result - not cancer.
Start Vitamin D3 and Calcium supplement (600mg x2)
10-10 Stopped Exemestane due to r. hip/l.thigh pain OKed by Onco 11-08-2016
7-23-2018 9 mm groundglass nodule within the right lower lobe with indolent behavior. Due to possible adenocarcinoma, Recommend annual surveilence.
7-10-2019 CT to check lung nodule.
1-10-2020 8mm stable nodule on R Lung, two 6mm new ones on L Lung, a possible lymph node involvement in inter fissule.
"I WANT TO BE AN OUTRAGEOUS OLD WOMAN WHO NEVER GETS CALLED AN OLD LADY. I WANT TO GET SHARP EDGED & EARTH COLORED, TILL I FADE AWAY FROM PURE JOY." Irene from Tampa

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Old 08-02-2010, 01:30 PM   #12
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Re: estrogen and respond to standart treatment

Thank you Tricia and Jackie for your kind concern and support. It meens a lot to me. I'm defenetly going to use your advice.

Praying for you and your families.

With love

Galina
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Dx 11/06 age 60
2.8cm Grade 2
ER+++/PR+/HER2+++
R. mast., 5 FEC, 6 Taxotere, 35 radiation
11 mth Herceptin
while on Arimidex 11/09 recurrence to bones (widespread), liver
5 rad. on spine, 6 Taxotere, Herceptin, Zometa
while on this, progression
Xeloda, Zometa every 3 weeks
07/10 stopped Xeloda - doesn't work
having just Zometa, waiting for another treatment
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