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Old 12-25-2012, 11:40 AM   #1
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Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Hello,

We receive a letter from the insurance company yesterday denying coverage for Pertuzumab with the following reason:

"There is no indication your patient has had no prior chemotherapy for metastatic disease - AND - no prior anti-her2 therapy [i.e Herceptin (trastuzumab)]."

I am not sure how to intepret this double negative. Does this mean Pertuzumab is approved only for metastatic patient WITHOUT prior chemo and herceptin?

OR, the reverse which is Pertuzumab is approved only for metastatic patient WITH prior chemo and herceptin.

Many thanks for your input as we start to fight the insurance battle again,

Nguyen
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Old 12-25-2012, 12:14 PM   #2
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Well, from FDA publication, Perjeta is approved only for people without prior chemo or herceptin.
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Old 12-25-2012, 01:12 PM   #3
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Hi-
Pertuzumab is approved as a 1st line MBC therapy, meaning that you can NOT have had any prior Herceptin. Which in my estimation means that there are about 10 people in the universe that are actual candidates to receive the drug. Finally, a promising drug is approved for MBC but the population that has access to it is so limited.
In my 10.5 yr history with MBC I have only ever known 3, maybe 4 other people dx'd Stage IV from primary dx. This is so frustrating & frightening because 10+ yrs into this battle I'm on the hunt for new systemic therapy, and I'm 14th line!
I can't wait for February 26,2013 for TDM1 to come to market. Wish I could wait, but this disease waits for no one.
So, I'm preparing myself for a battle, with my doctors to fight for Pertuzumab. I think a few here on the board have been successful getting the drug, so I look to them for some direction & optimism.
I'm sure someone will chime in soon.

Keep the Faith ~

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Old 12-25-2012, 03:04 PM   #4
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Perjeta is approved for First line metastatic disease which means no prior herceptin/chemo FOR METASTATIC DISEASE. If you had adjuvant herceptin or chemo for early stage treatment and the later developed stage IV disease, that is ok. You just can't have had those treatments for metastatic disease. I agree it is very narrow.

That said, the insurance decision can be appealed, start with your wife's oncologist. You may have to fight for it, but it can be done.

Good luck, I hope I haven't jst confused everyone even more!
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04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
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02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial

5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:58 AM   #5
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Hi there,

I have been on Perjeta and Herceptin since August 1, 2012. I was on the TCH trio for my chemo, then just on the Herceptin until August. My oncologist ensured that I received this. My liver spot went from .9 to .6 mm with just the Perjeta and Herceptin. Your oncologist needs to do his due diligence to ensure you get this. He told me that he wrote the need stating I was "a first line" regimen. For those who have been on multiple chemos through the years, I am not sure what would happen. But for those newly diagnosed as in the last year or so I would think the oncologist would make this happen for you. Good luck.

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3/12 Right MRM
5/12-7/12 33 Radiation treatments
8/1/12 Started Perjeta along with the Herceptin
10/12 Scans said NED for first time
5/15 UWSeattle Vaccine Trial 3 months
12/16 Scans still show NED. Herceptin and Perjeta continue indef.
8/17 Taken off Perjeta;staying on Herceptin. Still NEAD.
3/18 Still NEAD
8/19 Now on Subcutaneous Herceptin
10/21 Remain on Subcutaneous Herceptin (Hylecta)
11/21 CT showed possible lung mets. Was told to wait and see until scan
1/22 CT shows continued growth
03/22 Lung Biopsy said sample was too small but nodules keep growing and IR is convinced that it is indeed cancer
04/22 Oncologist referred for consult for a transbronchial biopsy. This does not sound pleasant
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Old 12-26-2012, 09:01 AM   #6
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

I was also diagnosed Stage IV from the start so that may help with the criteria. Even though I received TCH, then the Herceptin alone until the Perjeta/Herceptin duo. For those who have been diagnosed at an earlier stage, and then the disease metastizes, then the FDA may be more picky about this particular criteria.

Take good care,

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10/11-2/12 TCH for 6 rounds
3/12 Right MRM
5/12-7/12 33 Radiation treatments
8/1/12 Started Perjeta along with the Herceptin
10/12 Scans said NED for first time
5/15 UWSeattle Vaccine Trial 3 months
12/16 Scans still show NED. Herceptin and Perjeta continue indef.
8/17 Taken off Perjeta;staying on Herceptin. Still NEAD.
3/18 Still NEAD
8/19 Now on Subcutaneous Herceptin
10/21 Remain on Subcutaneous Herceptin (Hylecta)
11/21 CT showed possible lung mets. Was told to wait and see until scan
1/22 CT shows continued growth
03/22 Lung Biopsy said sample was too small but nodules keep growing and IR is convinced that it is indeed cancer
04/22 Oncologist referred for consult for a transbronchial biopsy. This does not sound pleasant
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Old 12-26-2012, 11:14 AM   #7
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

I hope the same thing does not happen to TDM1. Like Perjeta, this "bomb" carries so many hopes from families, friends and patients!
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3/12 Local recurrence to skin stage IV
Whole body scan CLEAR
4/12 Tykerb & Xeolda Skin mets slowly regressing
8/12 PET & Brain CT Clear
5/13 Skin mets progressing
6/13 PET scan chestwall recurrence in contralateral anxillary,internal mammary and ipsilateral subpectoral nodes
6/13 kadcyla
10/13 whole body scan -clear NED. previously resolved skin rash gone but 3 new lesions. Biopsy confirmed for skin recurrence
11/13 to 02/14 tykerb & herceptin
02/14 add abraxane/gemzar, 2 weeks on 1 week off at reduced dose
05/14 whole body PET clear/ brain CT clear but skin mets are getting worse, ready for new chemo
05/14 navelbine perjeta herceptin
07/14 skin mets progressing red rash worse
08/14 wide local excision with diep flap to close wound. Final path shows 2 positive margins showing inflammatory carcinoma Going back to surgery in 2 weeks
09/01/14 resection- clear margins
3 weeks after 2nd surgery, a new nodular rash found near drain incision with 2 small red spots behind the chest wall biopsy on 10/1. Positive for breast cancer
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11/14 brain MRI clean
12/14 finished 33 radiations burnt and very painful. Bedridden for 1 week
12/14 t current Herceptin and perjeta only
02/15 rash on upper back right side skin mets radiation planned
02/15 staring electron radiation *35
Stopped at 30 due to severe skin burn, resumed 10 days later
05/15 red patches appeared in between previously radiated area, skin mets. Ct and brain Mri clear. Simulation planned, radiation to start after trip to Alaska.
05/24 new spot identified in scar line on previously radiated reconstructed breast- electron on both side chest wall area and scar line
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Old 12-26-2012, 10:47 PM   #8
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Genentech has a patient assistance program. There is a PDF form for the doc to fill out and one for the patient. Income needs to be under 100K. I just started my first perjeta last week. I'm not sure if anthem has officially denied me yet, but if they do I've applied for the patient assistance program.
They should call it patient persistence program - keep the pressure on with your docs!!
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2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.

3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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Old 12-27-2012, 12:42 PM   #9
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Re: Deny coverage for Pertuzuman (Perjeta)

Chrisy has it right , very narrow criteria from This FDA . I think some folks are getting it ' off protocol ", thier doc getting thier chief ( IRB ) to sign off. Just like some tnbc'ers are getting avastin still. Then you have to make sure ins . will cover.
With T DM-1 the problem will be the opposite , This FDA could approve for late stage iv only. so first re-occurences may not get it. makes a lot of sense , huh ? , This FDA wants you to wait until you devekop more tumors , before giving the smart bomb ? ? so far This FDA has taken over 4 months of the 6 month priority review time , still no t dm-1 . they had great stats on it way back in 2010, preliminary EMILIA data back in May, and final EMILIA data since August . Their mis-handling of this great drug has reached more and more absurd, tragic dimensions. They seem to be crafting a defense ; will issue a long-winded , jargonistic " Black Box Warning " , limited approval. We Stage IV folks are well-aware of the risks : platelets , neuropathy, liver irritation, the two deaths related more to prior liver issues in Phase I, II . We also are well aware of the " Ultimate Side -Effect " of mbc . We know this drug is much more tolerable than older chemos, and more effective. We don't need Big Brother FDA teling us what we " need ", from patronizing bureaucrats !
If your ins. co . denies pert, appeal, appeal to your state ins board. I would appeal to the media too . While your at it , talk about This FDA too !
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