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12-29-2010, 10:15 AM
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progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplement it
# Drug Breakthrough Could Improve Breast Cancer Survival Rates
[Breakthrough Breast Cancer]
Breakthrough Breast Cancer scientists have identified a new class of drug which could help Herceptin (trastuzumab) work much more effectively and may improve survival rates for women with an aggressive form of breast cancer.
This followed the discovery of the reason why Herceptin stops working in some breast cancer patients - representing a major leap forward in our understanding of this targeted therapy. The findings are published online in the journal PLoS Biology.
The Breakthrough Breast Cancer-funded team at the University of Oxford showed that combining Herceptin with pan-HER inhibitors kills cancer cells much more effectively than Herceptin on its own. The drug combination does this by knocking out the activity of HER2 and, crucially, its related proteins, too. These results were then confirmed in mouse models.
Dr Anthony Kong, the Breakthrough Breast Cancer clinician scientist who led the study, said: "It was incredible to see how much more potent Herceptin becomes when combined with a new type of drug. We think this could have a big impact in improving survival rates for patients with HER2 positive breast cancer.
"We are hoping to set up a clinical trial in the near future to test this treatment combination in patients."
Herceptin is currently used in combination with chemotherapy to treat HER2 positive breast cancer. Around 9,000 women are diagnosed with this type of the disease in the UK each year. While Herceptin works well for some patients, for others it either doesn't work or stops working over time. Survival rates for patients with HER2 positive breast cancer remain lower than for breast cancer overall.
The scientists discovered a key mechanism through which cancer cells develop resistance to Herceptin. They also confirmed earlier studies which showed that in some cases Herceptin is not hugely effective in killing cancer cells - it mostly delays their growth. They found that, counter to previous thinking, Herceptin does not decrease the activity of its target, the HER2 protein, and went on to find the reason behind this.
Dr Norman Freshney, Director of Research at Breakthrough Breast Cancer, said: "Since Herceptin became available, thousands of patients have benefited from this new way of targeting breast cancer. However, poor response or resistance to this drug remains a considerable problem for many patients and these results explain why this may happen.
"This work highlights the importance of understanding the biology of breast cancer and developing new ways of targeting the tumour's defects to have maximum lifesaving impact."
In recent years the work of Dr Anthony Kong has been significantly funded by a range of trusts including Mary Kinross Charitable Trust, The Holbeck Charitable Trust, Doris Field Charitable Trust and in part by The Tolkien Trust.
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OPEN ACCESS article on pLOS: HER2 Phosphorylation Is Maintained by a PKB Negative Feedback Loop in Response to Anti-HER2 Herceptin in Breast Cancer
[Public Library of Science: Biology]
Herceptin (trastuzumab) is used in patients with breast cancer who have HER2 (ErbB2)-positive tumours. However, its mechanisms of action and how acquired resistance to Herceptin occurs are still poorly understood. It was previously thought that the anti-HER2 monoclonal antibody Herceptin inhibits HER2 signalling, but recent studies have shown that Herceptin does not decrease HER2 phosphorylation. Its failure to abolish HER2 phosphorylation may be a key to why acquired resistance inevitably occurs for all responders if Herceptin is given as monotherapy. To date, no studies have explained why Herceptin does not abolish HER2 phosphorylation. The objective of this study was to investigate why Herceptin did not decrease HER2 phosphorylation despite being an anti-HER2 monoclonal antibody. We also investigated the effects of acute and chronic Herceptin treatment on HER3 and PKB phosphorylation in HER2-positive breast cancer cells. Using both Förster resonance energy transfer (FRET) methodology and conventional Western blot, we have found the molecular mechanisms whereby Herceptin fails to abolish HER2 phosphorylation. HER2 phosphorylation is maintained by ligand-mediated activation of EGFR, HER3, and HER4 receptors, resulting in their dimerisation with HER2. The release of HER ligands was mediated by ADAM17 through a PKB negative feedback loop. The feedback loop was activated because of the inhibition of PKB by Herceptin treatment since up-regulation of HER ligands and ADAM17 also occurred when PKB phosphorylation was inhibited by a PKB inhibitor (Akt inhibitor VIII, Akti-1/2). The combination of Herceptin with ADAM17 inhibitors or the panHER inhibitor JNJ-26483327 was able to abrogate the feedback loop and decrease HER2 phosphorylation. Furthermore, the combination of Herceptin with JNJ-26483327 was synergistic in tumour inhibition in a BT474 xenograft model. We have determined that a PKB negative feedback loop links ADAM17 and HER ligands in maintaining HER2 phosphorylation during Herceptin treatment. The activation of other HER receptors via ADAM17 may mediate acquired resistance to Herceptin in HER2-overexpressing breast cancer. This finding offers treatment opportunities for overcoming resistance in these patients. We propose that Herceptin should be combined with a panHER inhibitor or an ADAM inhibitor to overcome the acquired drug resistance for patients with HER2-positive breast cancer. Our results may also have implications for resistance to other therapies targeting HER receptors.
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12-30-2010, 01:15 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
As always - thank you Lani for posting vital updates.
Trials can't start soon enough!
jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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12-30-2010, 04:10 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Thanks Lani
My friends son was part of this research team and is HUGELY excited about getting this into clinical trials.
Ellie
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12-30-2010, 09:26 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Lani, thanks much. And, hopefully, as Ellie mentioned, the drug will be in clinical trials soon.
Joan
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Diagnosed stage 2b in July 2003 (2.3 cm, HER2+, ER-/PR-, 7+ nodes). Treated with mastectomy (with immediate DIEP flap reconstruction), AC + T/Herceptin (off label). Cancer advanced to lung in Jan. 2007 (1 cm nodule). Started Herceptin every 3 weeks. Lung wedge resection April 2007. Cancer recurred in lung April 2008. RFA of lung in August 2008. 2nd annual brain MRI in Oct. 2008 discovered 2.6 cm cystic tumor in left frontal lobe. Craniotomy Oct. 2008 (ER-/PR-/HER2-) followed by targeted radiation (IMRT). Coughing up blood Feb. 2009. Thoractomy July 2009 to cut out fungal ball of common soil fungus (aspergillus) that grew in the RFA cavity (most likely inhaled while gardening). No cancer, only fungus. Removal of tiny melanoma from upper left arm, plus sentinel lymph node biopsy in Feb. 2016. Guardant Health liquid biopsy in Feb. 2016 showed mutations in 4 subtypes of TP53. Repeat of Guardant Health biopsy in Jana. 2021 showed 3 TP53 mutations, BRCA1 mutation and CHEK2 mutation. Invitae genetic testing showed negative for all of these. Living with MBC since 2007. Stopped Herceptin Hylecta (injection) treatment in March 2020. Recent 2023 annual CT of chest, abdomen and pelvis and annual brain MRI showed NED. Praying for NED forever!!
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12-30-2010, 09:58 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
While it may seem relatively unimportant, now that these drugs are being given on a blanket basis there is no interest in finding out why they have not been necessary at all for some HER2+++ patients.
How much money and personal resources are being squandered because of this? And are there patients who not only do not benefit but whose condition is possibly worsened, perhaps not even by these drugs themselves but by all the support drugs given with them?
AlaskaAngel
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Dx 2002 age 51
bc for granny, aunt, cousin, sister, mother.
ER+/PR+/HER2+++, grade 3
IDC 1.9 cm, some DCIS, Stage 1, Grade 3
Lumpectomy, CAFx6 (no blood boosters), IMRT rads, 1 3/4 yr tamoxifen
Rads necrosis
BRCA 1 & 2 negative
Trials: Early detection OVCA; 2004 low-dose testosterone for bc survivors
Diet: Primarily vegetarian organic; metformin (no diabetes), vitamin D3
Exercise: 7 days a week, 1 hr/day
No trastuzumab, no taxane, no AI
NED
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12-30-2010, 05:26 PM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Remember how FDA was delaying T-DM1 because it was not tested in a 'blanketed' way? Until the bureaucrats change (improve) their understanding of 'Targeted' therapy, we'll have to endure the 'slaughter'...
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12-30-2010, 06:28 PM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Hi Jackie,
There have to be reasons why some of us haven't needed these drugs, reasons that might help to point toward mechanisms that are not being investigated and are being ignored because we stay healthy.... mechanisms that might be even more useful for analyzing other HER2+++'s than the targeted drugs that "somehow" have become so heavily combined with highly toxic therapies and often questionable-but-not-obvious support drugs.
Blanket application avoids real analysis and real answers.
A.A.
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Dx 2002 age 51
bc for granny, aunt, cousin, sister, mother.
ER+/PR+/HER2+++, grade 3
IDC 1.9 cm, some DCIS, Stage 1, Grade 3
Lumpectomy, CAFx6 (no blood boosters), IMRT rads, 1 3/4 yr tamoxifen
Rads necrosis
BRCA 1 & 2 negative
Trials: Early detection OVCA; 2004 low-dose testosterone for bc survivors
Diet: Primarily vegetarian organic; metformin (no diabetes), vitamin D3
Exercise: 7 days a week, 1 hr/day
No trastuzumab, no taxane, no AI
NED
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12-31-2010, 03:24 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Thanks Lani. More reason to hope my tumour growth can be suppressed. I'd love to be part of a trial but agree on the need for indivudualizing approaches.
Trish
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5/2004 (R) 30mm bre gr3 infiltrating ductal ca 16/18nodes er (2+) pr (3+) HER2 (3+)
6/2004 6 cycles(FEC), Oct 40 rads, Tamoxifen
5/2006 oopherectomy, Arimedex
12/2006 liver mets largest 9cm
1/2007 Herceptin,
3/2007 Taxol + Herc
1/2008 Herc alone
4/2008 Multiple bone mets,Zometa
7/2008 Herc + Gemcitabine
8/2008 Herc+Navelbine/vinoralbine
10/2008 Herc+Carboplatin+Taxol
12/2008 Tykerb+Xeloda
2/2010 Herceptin + trial drug
5/2010 Herceptin+Tykerb
8/2010 Tykerb+Abraxane
9/2010 Abraxane
12/2010 Abraxane+Tyk+Herc
4/2011 Tyk+Herc+Femara
6/2011 Liver and bone mets prog.Abraxane continue Herceptin,Tykerb,Femara and Zometa
8/2011 Probable liver progression and increased neuropathy. Xeloda with Tyk+Herc. Zometa 6 weekly.
9/2011 Liver progression,TM +++. Cyclophosphamide and Methotrexate metro Herc Zometa
10/2011 liver mets prog.Herc, 3 Tykerb +2mg decodron daily,Zometa
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12-31-2010, 04:07 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
Thanks Lani
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Metstatic Breast Cancer Stage 4
Left breast cauliflower 25x20cm
ossousmetstatis in vertbrae secondaries L4=L5secondary
nodules in both liver lobes secondary
Diagnosed 10th March 2010
ER/PR-ve
Her 2 neu +++
Taxotrne Zylotec started 16th March
Herceptin added 5th April.9th Herceptin over on 20th Sep '10.Started on Tykerb and Xeloda on 22nd Oct2010TYKERB 4 TAB A DAY XELODA 4 TAB A DAY ONE WEEK ON ONE WEEK OFFZoletrust infusion every 4 months.Lesion in Brain 3D CRT Radiation started on 1st Feb'12 for 20 days ,5 days a week for 4 weeks.Devloped a small lump in breast.Xeloda stopped from 11th April '12.On Taxol.After 3 cycles of Taxol Taxol stopped.Back to Xeloda regime from 3rd July
Herceptin started again on 27th Dec 2012.Xeloda stopped Navelbin added on 7th February 2013.Now on Tykerb Herceptin and Navelbin
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01-03-2011, 10:04 AM
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Re: progress in discovering why herceptin doesn't work for everyone, how to supplemen
I think perhaps we don't complain enough. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Which is why my car stayed in the shop over the holidays - didn't want to pressure the mechanic.
We are dealing with our lives, yet we put up with toxic therapies - and we don't even know if they will work for us.
I think another thread is better for this discussion - I don't want to steal the thunder away from an important discovery that will help us all be healthier in the future.
Yeah for progress! I haven't been visiting regularly and the news about medical progress is so encouraging. I am so exciting and looking forward to a clinical trial starting.
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Traditional Treatment: Mastectomy and Axillary Node Dissection followed by Taxotere, 6 treatments and 1 year of Herceptin, no radiation
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Additional treatments:
GP2 vaccine, San Antonio Med Ctr
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ENERGY Study, UCSD La Jolla
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