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12-11-2009, 08:17 AM
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Location: Newport Beach, CA
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Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
I know I should be posting this on Diet and Nutrition, which I did in response to Hopeful's posting on this topic, but I'm feeling really concerned with all this and wanted to post here, too. I'm feeling scared as we're in Orlando and last night we consumed almost an entire bottle of Pinot Noir with dinner and then I saw HLN reporting on Kaiser Permanente's study this morning and immediately went to the her2 site and read Hopeful's posting.
My husband loves wine and buys it weekly and I have a glass with dinner. I hope I haven't hurt myself in the process. I'm post-menopausal and ER- which was noted in the study. I guess it's no more wine ever or possibly one glass a week and THAT'S IT. I just hope my previous consumption hasn't hurt me. Here's Hopeful's link from Diet and Nutrition:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8406273.stm
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Diagnosed 12/03 at age 53
1.5cm tumor, ER-PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
Stage 1B, Three negative nodes from Sentinel Node Biopsy
Paget's of the nipple, Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma and DCIS of the rt breast
Bloom-Richardson score 8/9, P53+ 60-70%, Ki-67+ 30-40%
Skin-sparing mastectomy with immediate lat-flap reconstruction and saline implants, 1/04
Chemo: FAC, five sessions every three weeks Feb.-May 04, then switched to HTC weekly for 12 weeks, June-Aug 04
Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia, started April 09
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12-11-2009, 09:10 AM
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Location: Stockton, NJ
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
Vicki
Just saw your email in my box and I will answer you when I return home. I am in San Antonio now and saw this paper given live. Although we all know that too much of anything is not good for us, this was a VERY FLAWED study. I don't want to get into the nitty gritty but they did this by survey. How many of you who drink 1-2 glasses of alcohol a day would say so. If you drank 2, would you just write down one? Is a woman who doesn't drink but lays on the couch all day with an extra large bag of Doritos better off than one who eats a Meditteran diet with lots of fruit, veggies, nuts, fish, olive oil and a glass or two of red wine (who also walks a couple of miles a day)? There were tons of questions such as those who drink - are they inactive, obese, depressed.
Lifestyle studies are very hard because you are not controlling other lifestyle aspects concurrently such as diet, exercise, supplements etc. To do this right, one has to give everyone their food and supplements and then let them choose to exercise or not and drink or not. Then you can tell differences more.
Moderation is key. Just don't go out and get hammered every night!
Flawed study - very much so.
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Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
NED 18 years!
Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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12-11-2009, 09:59 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Louisville KY
Naples FL
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
I totally agree with Becky. I eat healthy and lots
of veggies and fruits but I do have red wine with
my dinner most nights, not a lot but a glass.
patb
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Diagnosed June, 06, Stage I, Grade3, ER+PR- Her2positive, No Nodes. A/C X 4. Radiation 33 with boost, Herceptin every two weeks until Nov.
07, Arimedex for 5 years. Mugas and Echo and chest xRay. Bone scan of whole Body, and Back of Brain and spine MRI.
CT scan of Lungs every six months
due to two small places. December
2009, bone scan due to bone pain.
Follow up test in 2010.
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12-11-2009, 10:44 AM
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Location: La Quinta, Ca
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
I also agree with Becky. There have been too many conflicting study results on this topic. I have a report from a study that says only ER+ tumors are affected by alcohol consumption. This is because it is believed alcohol fuels estrogen. I have an appointment with Dr. Slamon this month and I am going to ask him which study has validity.
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12-11-2009, 12:29 PM
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Location: Alaska
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
Hi Vic,
To me the gist of it points not so much to alcohol per se but to alcohol being a highly significant source of excess weight gain that then increases the risk. If so, the more you are able to control excess weight gain, the less effect there would be. One of the major problems with alcohol consumption is that for some, it gets substituted for healthy foods -- sometimes it competes economically in terms of people not buying better or adequate foods because of the amount of money they are spending on alcohol. Keep a healthy weight as best you can on a healthy balanced diet, and get regular exercise.
A.A.
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12-12-2009, 11:54 AM
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Location: Newport Beach, CA
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
Becky,
It's always nice to hear from you and I'm glad you are right there at the pulse of body politics. We couldn't have a better representative there than you. You are always so reassuring to me and to the other women who enjoy wine and posted here, too, I'm feeling much better and more realistic about the way I'm interpreting this recent report. Your details on the flawed reporting of this, Becky, put things in perspective, and help me to see it differently and with consideration. Thanks to everyone for giving me time to think more on this.
Time to enjoy some oatmeal with walnuts, raisin, olive oil, pepper and turmeric. Then, later I'm seeing a play about Scrooge in San Pedro with a girlfriend and then we're having dinner @ Bono's Italian restaurant in Belmont Shore with another friend (yes, that's Sonny's other daughter, Christy or Christie, who owns it.) ;-)
Vicki
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Diagnosed 12/03 at age 53
1.5cm tumor, ER-PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
Stage 1B, Three negative nodes from Sentinel Node Biopsy
Paget's of the nipple, Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma and DCIS of the rt breast
Bloom-Richardson score 8/9, P53+ 60-70%, Ki-67+ 30-40%
Skin-sparing mastectomy with immediate lat-flap reconstruction and saline implants, 1/04
Chemo: FAC, five sessions every three weeks Feb.-May 04, then switched to HTC weekly for 12 weeks, June-Aug 04
Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia, started April 09
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12-12-2009, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Misty woods of WA State
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
Hi Vicki -
Have a great time, and don't feel strange about ordering a glass of wine with your dinner.
As we have spoken more about that study that CNN and company picked up sound bites from the more we see it's problems.
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Live in the moment.
MY STORY SO FAR ~~~~
Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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12-13-2009, 05:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hershey, PA. Live The Sweet Life!
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Re: Alcohol consumption and breast cancer recurrence
Oh hell, I'm drinkin' and I am NOT going to feel guilty or paranoid about it. Serve me up another chocolate martini, Garcon!
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Smile On!
Laurel
Dx'd w/multifocal DCIS/IDS 3/08
7mm invasive component
Partial mast. 5/08
Stage 1b, ER 80%, PR 90%, HER-2 6.9 on FISH
0/5 nodes
4 AC, 4 TH finished 9/08
Herceptin every 3 weeks. Finished 7/09
Tamoxifen 10/08. Switched to Femara 8/09
Bilat SPM w/reconstruction 10/08
Clinical Trial w/Clondronate 12/08
Stopped Clondronate--too hard on my gizzard!
Switched back to Tamoxifen due to tendon pain from Femara
15 Years NED
I think I just might hang around awhile....
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