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10-30-2008, 09:39 AM
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Scan Time - should I wait?
Sorry, I feel petty bring this up but I could use some advise.
My onc would like me to have another scan. The skin issue as far as we can tell is under control. My last scan in May was clear.
I want to delay the scan until the first of the year unless I develop a cough or pain. My onc isn't thrilled and my family is a little concerned.
I can't stand the thought of possibly getting bad news before the holidays. Especially for my children who deserve to have a normal, fun Thanksgiving & Christmas.
I'm I being foolish? Please let me know what you think. I'm open to your thoughts.
Thanks.
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DX 02/01/07
2.5 cm, Er/Pr-, Her2+++
18/20 Nodes
03/07 CT & Bone scan - Clear
AC x 4, Taxol x 4, Added Herceptin
Radiation until 09/07
Herceptin every 3 weeks until 06/08
01/10/08 local recurrence -IBC
01/28/08 CT & Brain MRI - clear
02/08 - Navelbine & Herceptin
05/08 -MRM
05/08 - Gemzar & Herceptin - didn't work
09/08 - Hyperthermia rads
03/09 - Tykerb/Xeloda
05/10 - Tram flap to fix wound
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10-30-2008, 10:21 AM
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Well, you have to do what you feel is right. Which way will YOU be able to best function?
That seems to be quite a long time to wait, especially given the ride you've been on this year. That your onc and family are concerned makes me concerned.
I know the fear - and for me it is always a toss up between "possibly getting bad news" before the holidays and "worrying about possibly getting bad news" right after the holidays.
Have you considered that the scans may show "good" news? That might make for a lovely Thanksgiving indeed.
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Chris in Scotts Valley
June 2002 extensive hi grade DCIS (pre-cancer-stage 0, clean sentinal node) Mastectomy/implant - no chemo, rads. "cured?"
9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial
5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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10-30-2008, 10:35 AM
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Ditto what Chrisy said.
Why dont you say a little prayer, ask for a "sign" and then turn it over. Something will present itself to help you decide. At least it has worked for me.
Keep the faith. Let us know.
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Bonnie
Post menopause
May 2007 Core biopsy, Rt breast
ER+, Pr-, HER2 +++, Grade 3
Ki-67: 90%
"suspicious area" left breast
Bilateral mastectomy, (NED on left) May 2007
Sentinel Node Neg
Stage 1, DCIS with microinvasion, 3 mm, mostly removed during the biopsy....
Femara (discontinued 7/07) Resumed 10/07
OncoType score 36 (July 07)
Began THC 7/26/07 (d/c taxol and carboplatin 10/07)
Began Herceptin alone 10/07
Finished Herceptin July /08
D/C Femara 4/10 (joint pain/trigger thumb!)
5/10 mistakenly dx with lung cancer. Middle rt lobe removed!
Aromasin started 5/10
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10-30-2008, 10:55 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: RHODE ISLAND
(Ed getting me a latte on 2nd Cancerversary Cruise 2008)
'BELIEVE': To accept as true or real, To have faith in, To presume
ALWAYS BELIEVE
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Hello Sweetie
On our journeys we always have the right to say NO, for these are choices we make with the information being supplied. Even when something is in our best interest we can say NO. When Ed went for the brain MRI before our cruise we were going to wait for the results until after; we chose to get them before and we even were able to get the Gamma Knife before that vacation.
Follow your heart because there are choices here that you can make. One being "I shall wait until after the New Year" or maybe get that scan and not the results (I am not that strong).
Ed is in a difficult situation here that leaves us almost powerless against what choices to follow through on. The thing is, even knowing we need to repeat the Gamma Knife, this little darling has the right to still say NO. With that being said....
In our experience on this tiring journey I have learned a few things. One of them is that by being on top of things we have avoided many more potential problems than the problem at hand. There is no good time for bad news but good news is always welcomed.
If you were to ask me if you should, I would say YES. If the news is good than the holidays are more the better. If the news is concerning the holidays might be dampened a tad but you would be able to get a game plan together to attack after the New Year. We always want to know. Good or bad....allows us to celebrate or fight.
This has to be up to your heart, follow it. Take all of your knowledge and the journeys of others and put them to work. You will make the right choice for you! No matter what the decision we will be right here awaiting your answer. Best luck.
I love you>>Believe51
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10-30-2008, 04:00 PM
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I think YOU'RE more important than the holidays to your kids.
You'll know what to do, Tonya! Just take care of YOU! ma
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MA in TX.
Grateful for each and every day....
Diag. 12/05 at age 60
Stage II, Grade 3, 4.5 cm primary tumor
ER/PR- Her2 +3 strongly positive
Her2 by FISH 7.7 amplified
vascular invasion
Ki67 20% borderline
Jan - March '06 Taxotere/Adriamycin X 3 to try to shrink tumor - it grew
April '06 Rt Modified Radical Mas, 7 of 9 nodes positive
April - Aug. '06 Herceptin/Taxol/Carboplatin X 8 (dose dense)
Sept - Dec. '06 Navelbine/Herceptin x 8 (dose dense)
Radiation & Herceptin Jan. 22 - March 1, 2007
Finished Herceptin Dec. 10 '08! One extra year.
Port removed August, 2012.
8 1/2 years since diagnosis! 5 1/2 Years NED!
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10-30-2008, 09:00 PM
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Hi Tonya,
Yesterday I cancelled a second follow-up PET/CT of my lung radiofrequency ablation that was scheduled for mid December because I didn't want the results around Christmas and the new year (and it would be a regular scan, not just the lung). I'll do it after Jan. 1.
This type of decision is very personal. For me, I really didn't want bad results to affect my family at all so close to the holidays. Sometimes these decisions also depend on the length of time in between scans, and whether anything else has happened in the meantime.
Your consideration is valid and it's one all of us face at times. But there's no right or wrong. I think it's how each of us feels and what else is going on, too.
Joan
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Diagnosed stage 2b in July 2003 (2.3 cm, HER2+, ER-/PR-, 7+ nodes). Treated with mastectomy (with immediate DIEP flap reconstruction), AC + T/Herceptin (off label). Cancer advanced to lung in Jan. 2007 (1 cm nodule). Started Herceptin every 3 weeks. Lung wedge resection April 2007. Cancer recurred in lung April 2008. RFA of lung in August 2008. 2nd annual brain MRI in Oct. 2008 discovered 2.6 cm cystic tumor in left frontal lobe. Craniotomy Oct. 2008 (ER-/PR-/HER2-) followed by targeted radiation (IMRT). Coughing up blood Feb. 2009. Thoractomy July 2009 to cut out fungal ball of common soil fungus (aspergillus) that grew in the RFA cavity (most likely inhaled while gardening). No cancer, only fungus. Removal of tiny melanoma from upper left arm, plus sentinel lymph node biopsy in Feb. 2016. Guardant Health liquid biopsy in Feb. 2016 showed mutations in 4 subtypes of TP53. Repeat of Guardant Health biopsy in Jana. 2021 showed 3 TP53 mutations, BRCA1 mutation and CHEK2 mutation. Invitae genetic testing showed negative for all of these. Living with MBC since 2007. Stopped Herceptin Hylecta (injection) treatment in March 2020. Recent 2023 annual CT of chest, abdomen and pelvis and annual brain MRI showed NED. Praying for NED forever!!
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10-30-2008, 09:32 PM
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I was diagnosed with BC on Dec 1,2005 and that pretty much put a big damper on the holidays. The following year I had a PET/CT on Dec 1 and was scared to death of the same thing happening, I was also a little superstitious about this being a bad date. I went ahead and had it done because the worrying would have been almost as bad as getting the bad news. When the scan came back clean, it made for a perfect holiday season. I am scheduled to do my scans on January 15 this year, and I am kind of glad I don't have to really worry until after the holiday season. So I know where you are coming from.. there are pros and cons of waiting..sherryg683
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Sherry
Diagnosed: December , 2005 at age 44
13+ positive lymph nodes
Stage IV , Her2+, 2 small mets to lungsChemo Started: Jan, 2006
4 months Taxotere, Xeloda, Hercepin
NED since April 2006!!
36 Rads to follow with weekly Herceptin indefinately
8 years NED now
Scans every year
Life is not about avoiding the thunderstorms, it's about learning to dance in the rain!
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10-30-2008, 09:46 PM
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btw.. your children are lovely..sherryg683
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Sherry
Diagnosed: December , 2005 at age 44
13+ positive lymph nodes
Stage IV , Her2+, 2 small mets to lungsChemo Started: Jan, 2006
4 months Taxotere, Xeloda, Hercepin
NED since April 2006!!
36 Rads to follow with weekly Herceptin indefinately
8 years NED now
Scans every year
Life is not about avoiding the thunderstorms, it's about learning to dance in the rain!
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10-31-2008, 12:14 AM
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Location: LA LA Land
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Here's my thinking...
Assuming you would do treatment for a recurrence THEN you should do your scans and deal with whatever you need to when you have the best odds to beat it. IF you want to fight then you must fight when it's most opportune for you to win the fight. Your kids and everyone else would choose YOU over thanksgiving or Christmas every time. "Normal" - I long for those times too but am glad I am here for whatever the normal now means. And my (college aged) kids are glad too (well for the most part and most of the time  .
I understand how it feels to be the one who disappoints the kids (and everyone else) by getting cancer all the time and needing chemo and ruining everything. That's how I always felt and wished so hard it did not impact their lives. That was one of the hardest parts for me.
BUT BUT BUT you owe it to them to do your best to survive so you can raise them. So I say take a deep breath - a friend - an ativan or whatever you need and get your scans. Be a warrior. I know you can do whatever you need to do 'cause you're a mom - and a woman. Be strong. Think of all of us supporting you. And FIGHT!
xoxo
Flori
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1996 cancer WTF?! 1.3 cm lumpectomy Er/Pr neg. Her2+ (20nodes NEGATIVE) did CMF + rads. NED.
2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.
3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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10-31-2008, 08:27 AM
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either choice is right
I don't think your concerns are petty. Not at all. I do think that it's wrong for people to write to you and tell what you should do. I know that they have your best interests at heart and are sincerely trying to help. But as Believe said, this is a personal decision and you must follow your heart.
Either choice (scans now, scans later) can be defended as good medicine. So as many others have said, we can't tell you what to choose, but we can tell you that somewhere inside, you possess the right answer. You just have to get quiet and listen, and then move forward with confidence because you've made the right decision for you and for your family.
There are two schools of thought here. One says that ultra vigilance is the best approach to monitoring metastatic disease, because if you discover something and jump right on it, it's more likely to be controlled sooner and better and perhaps with less toxic methods.
The other school of thought says that the above approach may seem intuitively better but that it has several disadvantages. One (that you've identified) is the anxiety that ultra-vigilance can cause for some people. Another is that this approach can use up the available options more quickly, so that in the end, it shortens one's time of living with mets. This school would recommend scans only for symptoms, or to monitor treatment of active disease. The theory again being that the cancer either responds to treatment or does not respond - that it's more about the biology of the cancer than about the amount of the cancer. The only caveat here is that this approach does not apply to brain mets - there it is clear that the smaller it is when detected, preferably before symptoms announce it, the more and better the options are for dealing with it.
My sense is that on this list, most people attend the first school. On other lists, and face-to-face, I know women who attend the second school and are very happy with that style. Again, personal decision. But to make the right choice for you, you do need all the information, presented in a balanced way.
Some oncologists are firmly planted in one school or the other. Others tailor their approach depending upon their patient's desires.
You could split the difference. Brain scan now, the rest deferred until January. You didn't say what kind of scanning your onc had in mind.
Keep us posted - about how you come to the decision, okay? And know, absolutely, that it will be the right decision for you.
Love,
Debbie Laxague
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10-31-2008, 09:51 AM
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Thank you all for your wonderful words of wisdom and support. YOU are giving me the courage to look at both side and make the right decision for me.
Tonya
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DX 02/01/07
2.5 cm, Er/Pr-, Her2+++
18/20 Nodes
03/07 CT & Bone scan - Clear
AC x 4, Taxol x 4, Added Herceptin
Radiation until 09/07
Herceptin every 3 weeks until 06/08
01/10/08 local recurrence -IBC
01/28/08 CT & Brain MRI - clear
02/08 - Navelbine & Herceptin
05/08 -MRM
05/08 - Gemzar & Herceptin - didn't work
09/08 - Hyperthermia rads
03/09 - Tykerb/Xeloda
05/10 - Tram flap to fix wound
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10-31-2008, 10:40 AM
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As one of the few "kids" of a cancer patient, I would hate to be any part of/reason for a delay in dealing with the situation. As an adult who, at least chronologically, could be in your position..I wonder how I would decide.
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