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06-11-2008, 04:38 PM
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Location: MN
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7 yrs of ups & down - how many more...
How many more... a question I'm scared to thimk about. try not to, yet it often creeps in.
This week is 7 yrs since I was diagnosed. By God's grace, a great oncologist & treatment, will to live, luck & mystery, here I am still strong.
I just had my chemo today. Taxol/avastin & monthly aredia. I've only been on taxol/avastin one month. So far so good. My ca3739 was down almost 30 pts since last month. My onc. was pleased with that - I'd hoped for better.
I've gained 7 lbs in one month! Is it just stress eating? the chemo? Wow I can't keep this up. I had decadron the 1st 2 tx, but asked to have that dropped, so haven't had that the last 2 times. Also I asked to have the benadryl dropped also because I have severe tiredness reaction from it. I only had 12 1/2 mg today, but that still knocked me out.
Sheila, you asked how much taxol I'm getting. It's 162 mg.
Today I was saddened like everyone else to learn of Lolly's death. I also learned of another woman, Trudy, who died in late May. Trudy & I had met on another website a fews ago & had been emailing often ever since. I don't recall how long she was stage IV, but survived several years.
So, looking ahead. I want to celebrate the fact that I'm doing well after this long - & I do. But that cloud of knowledge is there ... I want to see my grandson graduate --- he's only 1 yr this month. Can I be here 17 more years? I have many many many more things I want to do & experience in my life. So did Trudy; so did Lolly. I want to live. So do all of you.
Now I'm rambling, I just have to get this out today.
Feeling anxious, grateful, hopeful, anger, and a hundred other emotions and thoughts all competing for attention.
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Pam
6/01 IBC er+ her2+stage IIIb; mastecomy
7/01 AC, taxol; radiation
2/02 tamoxifen
9/02 stage IV bone mets femara
1/03 taxotere/herceptin/aredia
6/03 herceptin, aredia & faslodex
1/04 navelbine, herceptin, aredia
2/05 herceptin/aredia
7/05 xeloda/herceptin/aredia
3/07 xeloda/tykerb/aredia
5/08 taxol/avastin/aredia
2/09 gemzar/herceptin/zometa
7/09 Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin, zometa
10/09 navelbine/herceptin & zometa
2/10 herceptin & tykerb & zometa
4/10 add xeloda &aromasin
10/10 dx with dermatomyiositis triggered by cancer
11/10 restart herceptin, tykerb, zometa
12/10 surgery-place rod in R femur to stabilize bone
1/11 radiation to R femur - 20 tx
2/11 2nd surgery - rod in Left femur
2/11 tx eribulen -- suspended dx brain mets
3/11 brain mets wbr 20 tx
4/11 halaven; discontine 8/11 not working
8/11 radiation to left femur 20 tx'
8-9/11 rad to lower spine
9/11 abraxane/herceptin/zometa
9/12 xeloda/herceptin/zometa
12/12 ablation of liver
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06-11-2008, 04:54 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Northern California
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Hi Pam,
I understand, as all of us do, all those emotions you describe. I feel angry too at the loss of so many wonderful men and women to this disease. I pray that in the near future there will be more effective treatments and we can really turn this into a chronic disease.
I am glad that you have done so well over the years and trust that you will continue to do so.
Blessings,
Tonya
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DX 02/01/07
2.5 cm, Er/Pr-, Her2+++
18/20 Nodes
03/07 CT & Bone scan - Clear
AC x 4, Taxol x 4, Added Herceptin
Radiation until 09/07
Herceptin every 3 weeks until 06/08
01/10/08 local recurrence -IBC
01/28/08 CT & Brain MRI - clear
02/08 - Navelbine & Herceptin
05/08 -MRM
05/08 - Gemzar & Herceptin - didn't work
09/08 - Hyperthermia rads
03/09 - Tykerb/Xeloda
05/10 - Tram flap to fix wound
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06-11-2008, 05:13 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: moved to Lancaster, Pa in June, 2010
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Pam, I understand how you feel, as all of us feel this way at some time or other. I try not to let the fear creep in, but there it is a part of every day. It is great that you have done well so far and you must believe you will continue to do so. They are making headway every day with breast cancer treatment. Keep up the fight for your grandchild. That is what keeps me going everyday, my darling grandsons.
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Debbie in North Carolina
Diag 10/2006-high grade invasive ductal carcinoma- mastectomy L breast
2.5 cm tumor ER/PR pos-Her2+++
4 rounds A/C, 4 rounds Taxol
Herceptin every 3 weeks until Jan. 2008
6/18/07 prophylatic mastectomy R breast
8/2007 started aromasin/stopped arimidex (side effects)
12/07 stopped aromasin due to side effects (now what?)
Finished herceptin 1/8/08
started tamoxifen for 2 years then will switch to femera
allergic to tamoxifen started femera 4/2008
June 20, 2008 portacath removed
Learnig to live life to the fullest!
Stopped Femera due to side effects
July 28, 2008 start trial for breast cancer vaccine
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06-12-2008, 08:55 AM
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Location: Central Coast, CA
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Couldn't have said it better
Boy Pam, you sure hit THAT nail on the head. Sometimes I even find it hard to celebrate good news because some voice in the back of my mind is saying "yeah, well thats nice, but what about the NEXT scan?". I think one of the hardest battles for me is to keep my head right - juggling all the emotions you mention and more.
Obviously I don't have any answers, just wanted to thank you for expressing it so well and say you're definitely not alone!
Love
Chris
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Chris in Scotts Valley
June 2002 extensive hi grade DCIS (pre-cancer-stage 0, clean sentinal node) Mastectomy/implant - no chemo, rads. "cured?"
9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial
5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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06-12-2008, 09:53 AM
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Location: MN
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Thank you Tonya, Debbie, Chris for your kind replies. It does help to know someone else understands and KNOWS. I'm trying to get myself back into a more hopeful place even in the face of the risks. Someone said courage is facing fear & moving ahead anyway --- so with that we are all courageous.
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Pam
6/01 IBC er+ her2+stage IIIb; mastecomy
7/01 AC, taxol; radiation
2/02 tamoxifen
9/02 stage IV bone mets femara
1/03 taxotere/herceptin/aredia
6/03 herceptin, aredia & faslodex
1/04 navelbine, herceptin, aredia
2/05 herceptin/aredia
7/05 xeloda/herceptin/aredia
3/07 xeloda/tykerb/aredia
5/08 taxol/avastin/aredia
2/09 gemzar/herceptin/zometa
7/09 Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin, zometa
10/09 navelbine/herceptin & zometa
2/10 herceptin & tykerb & zometa
4/10 add xeloda &aromasin
10/10 dx with dermatomyiositis triggered by cancer
11/10 restart herceptin, tykerb, zometa
12/10 surgery-place rod in R femur to stabilize bone
1/11 radiation to R femur - 20 tx
2/11 2nd surgery - rod in Left femur
2/11 tx eribulen -- suspended dx brain mets
3/11 brain mets wbr 20 tx
4/11 halaven; discontine 8/11 not working
8/11 radiation to left femur 20 tx'
8-9/11 rad to lower spine
9/11 abraxane/herceptin/zometa
9/12 xeloda/herceptin/zometa
12/12 ablation of liver
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06-12-2008, 10:00 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: San Antonio, TX
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You're so right, Pam. It's a daily battle, sometimes minute to minute....but.....worth the fight. When I get afraid, so tired I make a snail look fast, or just feel so achy and yucky; all I know to do is remind myself of my goal to sit "front and center" when my 8 year old granddaughter graduates from college. When I'm REALLY whaky (maybe that's happening too often), I dream of ways to get her into college years early! Then I pick something soothing to do(sit outside, go window shopping, or call a long time friend to check on them, etc) and try to fool my brain. Most of the time I'm good. You've done a hard thing and you've done it for a long time! Congrats for being such a warrior. And thank you for sharing what many of us so often feel. Much love and peace to you today, ma
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MA in TX.
Grateful for each and every day....
Diag. 12/05 at age 60
Stage II, Grade 3, 4.5 cm primary tumor
ER/PR- Her2 +3 strongly positive
Her2 by FISH 7.7 amplified
vascular invasion
Ki67 20% borderline
Jan - March '06 Taxotere/Adriamycin X 3 to try to shrink tumor - it grew
April '06 Rt Modified Radical Mas, 7 of 9 nodes positive
April - Aug. '06 Herceptin/Taxol/Carboplatin X 8 (dose dense)
Sept - Dec. '06 Navelbine/Herceptin x 8 (dose dense)
Radiation & Herceptin Jan. 22 - March 1, 2007
Finished Herceptin Dec. 10 '08! One extra year.
Port removed August, 2012.
8 1/2 years since diagnosis! 5 1/2 Years NED!
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06-12-2008, 07:03 PM
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Pam, I really feel for you. I think about the same things -- will I see this or will I be here long enough to see that. It try to live for today,but sometimes it's very hard. Joan
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Diagnosed stage 2b in July 2003 (2.3 cm, HER2+, ER-/PR-, 7+ nodes). Treated with mastectomy (with immediate DIEP flap reconstruction), AC + T/Herceptin (off label). Cancer advanced to lung in Jan. 2007 (1 cm nodule). Started Herceptin every 3 weeks. Lung wedge resection April 2007. Cancer recurred in lung April 2008. RFA of lung in August 2008. 2nd annual brain MRI in Oct. 2008 discovered 2.6 cm cystic tumor in left frontal lobe. Craniotomy Oct. 2008 (ER-/PR-/HER2-) followed by targeted radiation (IMRT). Coughing up blood Feb. 2009. Thoractomy July 2009 to cut out fungal ball of common soil fungus (aspergillus) that grew in the RFA cavity (most likely inhaled while gardening). No cancer, only fungus. Removal of tiny melanoma from upper left arm, plus sentinel lymph node biopsy in Feb. 2016. Guardant Health liquid biopsy in Feb. 2016 showed mutations in 4 subtypes of TP53. Repeat of Guardant Health biopsy in Jana. 2021 showed 3 TP53 mutations, BRCA1 mutation and CHEK2 mutation. Invitae genetic testing showed negative for all of these. Living with MBC since 2007. Stopped Herceptin Hylecta (injection) treatment in March 2020. Recent 2023 annual CT of chest, abdomen and pelvis and annual brain MRI showed NED. Praying for NED forever!!
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06-12-2008, 08:38 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: indianapolis, indiana
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Just take it one day at a time and pray like crazy. That's how I got through it all. And we all have those same thoughts believe me.
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dxd 9-04, lumpectomy,
st 1, gr 3, er,pr-, her2 +,
2 tac,33 rads,6 cmf
1 yr herceptin,
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06-13-2008, 06:32 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Morris, IL
Posts: 3,507
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Pam
I checked yesterday...I get 180mg.....I was up all night from the Decadron!!!! Next time I will only get 6mg...the reduction begins...they won't let me go off totally, they said I will always have to take some with the Taxol, the same with the Benedryl and the pepcid.
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"Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."
Hugs & Blessings
Sheila
Diagnosed at age 49.99999 2/21/2002 via Mammography (Calcifications)
Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
Pericardial Window Surgery to Drain Pericardial Effusion
7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
10/6/10 Begin my miracle drug, TDM-1
Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
2/2011 I CELEBRATE my 9 YEAR MARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
2/8/2012 Gemzar stopped, Continue Herceptin
2/20/2012 Begin Tomo Radiation to Neck Nodes
2/21/2012 I CELEBRATE 10 YEARS
5/12/2012 BeganTaxotere/ Herceptin is my next miracle for new node progression
6/28/12 Stopped Taxotere due to pregression, Started Perjeta/Herceptin
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06-17-2008, 02:57 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I live in Christmas, MI - located on the shores of Lake Superior.
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Boy, did your post "hit home" with me. I've struggled with the same issues, and my husband recently told me he can't handle the ups and downs anymore. He said he gets hope when I get a clear scan etc. and then it gets wrecked by something bad. I told him to assume then that the worst will happen and anything good is a surprise. I didn't know what else to tell him. I get so angry about the "why me" thing sometimes that it scares me. It is also hard when someone had breast cancer treated like 20 years ago and is now fine says something like "you must be doing something wrong or you would be cured". I just want to smack 'em. Instead I go home and cry and ask myself why I couldn't I be one of those people? You know what I mean? Ok, I'm done whining now.
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Barb
10/03 Radical Mastectomy 3 cm tumor - 1/17 Nodes Stage II B, Her 2 +++ ER-/PR- 11/03 4 AC 4 Taxol 12/05 Stage IV - Lung met , Bone mets - Carbo, Taxotere, Herceptin 9/06 - 2 cm brain tumor 10/06 - Tumor removal surgery - Herceptin Halted 12/06 gamma knife tumor base.1/07 Navelbine/Herceptin 4/07 Rads to R femur 5/07 Stereotactic - new 2 cm brain tumor 4/07 Start Xeloda 5/07 Tykerb added 7/07 Brain MRI clean 10/07 .055 cm brain met found. 12/07 Stereotactic -1 cm brain tumor Start Tykerb 11/07 Abraxane/Herceptin 5/08 Cisplatin, Gemcitabine/Herceptin 6/08 Stereotactic to 1cm 9/08 Stereotactic repeat (growth). 11/08 Pet Scan Good but new tiny met on L lung/dead Brain surgery (no cancer cells found/scar tissue) 1/09 Chemo restarted 2/09 Pet Scan Bad - R larger very active/active L active lymph nodes both sides of chest MRI- mets slight increase 2/09 Start Doxil/Tykerb Treatment
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06-18-2008, 05:01 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: MN
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Barb -
Thank you too for your honest reply. I agree the not knowing from one scan to the next is ... well, I can't even find the right words for what that's like, but I know you know.
Expect the worst, hope fo the best, is not the motto I'd choose but seems to fit the reality. I haven't spent much time on the 'why me' question. I could easily ask 'why not me' in this vast & complex universe. That doesn't mean I don't spend a lot of time being angry and deep in lots of other emotions - mostly fear. No one has ever said to me like you mentioned 'i must be doing something wrong'. If anyone did I think I would smack them-- at least beat them verbally. If it was a matter of being able to change this disease by doing something 'right' we'd all be cured today.
Thank you all for your replies. Knowing that others support, understand, and struggle with these same feelings and thoughts help me not to feel so alone.
Health & peace, Pam
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Pam
6/01 IBC er+ her2+stage IIIb; mastecomy
7/01 AC, taxol; radiation
2/02 tamoxifen
9/02 stage IV bone mets femara
1/03 taxotere/herceptin/aredia
6/03 herceptin, aredia & faslodex
1/04 navelbine, herceptin, aredia
2/05 herceptin/aredia
7/05 xeloda/herceptin/aredia
3/07 xeloda/tykerb/aredia
5/08 taxol/avastin/aredia
2/09 gemzar/herceptin/zometa
7/09 Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin, zometa
10/09 navelbine/herceptin & zometa
2/10 herceptin & tykerb & zometa
4/10 add xeloda &aromasin
10/10 dx with dermatomyiositis triggered by cancer
11/10 restart herceptin, tykerb, zometa
12/10 surgery-place rod in R femur to stabilize bone
1/11 radiation to R femur - 20 tx
2/11 2nd surgery - rod in Left femur
2/11 tx eribulen -- suspended dx brain mets
3/11 brain mets wbr 20 tx
4/11 halaven; discontine 8/11 not working
8/11 radiation to left femur 20 tx'
8-9/11 rad to lower spine
9/11 abraxane/herceptin/zometa
9/12 xeloda/herceptin/zometa
12/12 ablation of liver
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06-19-2008, 12:21 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I live in Christmas, MI - located on the shores of Lake Superior.
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Perhaps a better way to phrase it would have been to prepare/educate yourself for all the possibilities and expect the best! Sometimes I guess my phrasing doesn't come out like it should. Even though I have days, moments etc. where I feel negative/hopeless most of the time I am positive and encouraging. I'm sorry if you took it any other way.....I was only trying to express my empathy for your situation.
Hopefully this reply has been phrased a bit better than the last!
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Barb
10/03 Radical Mastectomy 3 cm tumor - 1/17 Nodes Stage II B, Her 2 +++ ER-/PR- 11/03 4 AC 4 Taxol 12/05 Stage IV - Lung met , Bone mets - Carbo, Taxotere, Herceptin 9/06 - 2 cm brain tumor 10/06 - Tumor removal surgery - Herceptin Halted 12/06 gamma knife tumor base.1/07 Navelbine/Herceptin 4/07 Rads to R femur 5/07 Stereotactic - new 2 cm brain tumor 4/07 Start Xeloda 5/07 Tykerb added 7/07 Brain MRI clean 10/07 .055 cm brain met found. 12/07 Stereotactic -1 cm brain tumor Start Tykerb 11/07 Abraxane/Herceptin 5/08 Cisplatin, Gemcitabine/Herceptin 6/08 Stereotactic to 1cm 9/08 Stereotactic repeat (growth). 11/08 Pet Scan Good but new tiny met on L lung/dead Brain surgery (no cancer cells found/scar tissue) 1/09 Chemo restarted 2/09 Pet Scan Bad - R larger very active/active L active lymph nodes both sides of chest MRI- mets slight increase 2/09 Start Doxil/Tykerb Treatment
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