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03-15-2008, 11:17 AM
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Is it true that...
If you have mets, stage 4, that you will get brain mets 2 years later? I had trouble sleeping last night brooding over this? Ceesun
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03-15-2008, 03:24 PM
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Ceesun
Well if its any indication, I am 4 1/2 years out as stage IV and no brain mets yet...everyone is different...that is why it is so important to get the annual brain MRI!!!!
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Diagnosed at age 49.99999 2/21/2002 via Mammography (Calcifications)
Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
Pericardial Window Surgery to Drain Pericardial Effusion
7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
10/6/10 Begin my miracle drug, TDM-1
Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
2/2011 I CELEBRATE my 9 YEAR MARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
2/8/2012 Gemzar stopped, Continue Herceptin
2/20/2012 Begin Tomo Radiation to Neck Nodes
2/21/2012 I CELEBRATE 10 YEARS
5/12/2012 BeganTaxotere/ Herceptin is my next miracle for new node progression
6/28/12 Stopped Taxotere due to pregression, Started Perjeta/Herceptin
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03-15-2008, 03:52 PM
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And I had had brain tumor 13 years before getting breast cancer.
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03-17-2008, 11:52 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: RHODE ISLAND
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Ceesun
Everyone is different and there is no order to cancer. Cancer has no schedule, no prejustices. Ex: Ed was diagnosed stage IV and it was not even a year until brain mets. Then look at Sheila & Jackie's examples. Try not to lose anymore sleep Sweetie and believe me I know this is a hard feat to accomplish. Some people never ever get brain mets. The hardest things we have faced on this journey is the ability to worry only about the 'What Is' and spend little time worrying about the 'What If's'. Sometimes the 'What If's' never happen and Ed and I would hate to waste time worrying about things that may never be when we could be enjoying some normalcy. That is the best advice that I could give you and again it is just as hard as trying to fight the cancer itself!! Best wishes for some quality sleep. Lots of Love Coming At 'ya>>Believe51
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6/25/07BrainMRI=BrainMets,Many<9mm7/10/07WBR/PelvisRad37.5Gx15&Nutritionist8/19/07T/X9/20/07BrainMRI=2<2mm10/6/07Pet=BoneProgression
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03-17-2008, 06:07 PM
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Sweetie, like the sisters have said, there's no rule that cancer follows, but it's unlikely that your cancer has a plan to move into your brain 2 years after initially being dxed. I'm not trying to downplay your worry, our journeys are full of worries, but like a good friend once told me, "Bill, don't borrow trouble". Actually, if that does happen, it's my understanding that most brain mets are more easily treated and eliminated with radiation treatments than other types of mets. My thoughts and prayers are for you, Bill
Last edited by Bill; 03-17-2008 at 06:07 PM..
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03-18-2008, 08:55 AM
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I am 2.5 years out since my stage 4 diagnosis...and no brain mets. Yearly brain scan in January was clear, so I won't worry about it again until next year.
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Diagnosed 10-03-2005 (34 wks pregnant, 38 yrs old)
Lumpectomy Nov-2005. 10/18 Lymph Nodes impacted
Mets to liver, spine & femurs (thus being stage IV right from the get-go)
ER-, PR-, HER2+
Taxol/Herceptin/Zometa started Dec-2005. 11 cycles of Taxol.
Sept-2006: PET/CT scan of mets to liver, spine and femurs - Stable. Activity in R breast & mediastinum (not seen in prior scans).
Navelbine (3 wks on/1 wk off) as of Oct--2006 & continued Herceptin (every 3 wks) & Zometa (every 6 wks)
Jan-2007: PET/CT Scan - Stable. Continued Nav. through March-2007, then Herc./Zom. only after that.
June-2007: PET/CT Scan - activity in mediastinum. Back on Navelbine as of July-2007.
Scanned Quarterly since Oct-2007 - a few small scares, but otherwise stable due to continuing weekly Navelbine, Herceptin and Quarterly Zometa.
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03-18-2008, 05:10 PM
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My doc told me not to worry myself about brain mets after my first recurrence (and being deemed 'stage 4') because it is still fairly uncommon. But then our annual MRI last spring showed 3 tiny ones with no symptoms... and I have been able to obliterate them very successfully with my Tykerb/Xeloda treatments. I make this point NOT to add to your fear of brain mets, but to help illustrate and put a finer point on what everyone else has said, that cancer does not follow a roadmap or a set schedule. It can happen to anyone, fairly randomly, and it can NOT happen to someone, also fairly randomly. You just have to figure out for yourself how to "not live in the wreckage of the future" - it is all so totally unpredictable. And whatever we face in this journey as far as mets, etc... there is someone in research working feverishly to develop something to combat it. We are very lucky women in so many ways. There is so much in the pipeline right now and alot of treatments and developments are right around the corner...
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NOV 2012 - 9 yr anniversary
JULY 2012 - 7 yr anniversary stage IV (of 50...)
Nov'03~ dX stage 2B
Dec'03~ Rt side mastectomy, Her2+, ER/PR+, 10 nodes out, one node positive
Jan'04~ Taxotere/Adria/Cytoxan x 6, NED, no Rads, Tamox. 1 year, Arimadex 3 mo., NED 14 mo.
Sept'05~ micro mets lungs/chest nodes/underarm node, Switched to Aromasin, T/C/H x 7, NED 6 months - Herceptin only
Aug'06~ micro mets chest nodes, & bone spot @ C3 neck, Added Taxol to Herceptin
Feb'07~ Genetic testing, BRCA 1&2 neg
Apr'07~ MRI - two 9mm brain mets & 5 punctates, new left chest met, & small increase of bone spot C3 neck, Stopped Aromasin
May'07~ Started Tykerb/Xeloda, no WBR for now
June'07~ MRI - stable brain mets, no new mets, 9mm spots less enhanced, CA15.3 down 45.5 to 9.3 in 10 wks, Ty/Xel working magic!
Aug'07~ MRI - brain mets shrunk half, NO NEW BRAIN METS!!, TMs stable @ 9.2
Oct'07~ PET/CT & MRI show NED
Apr'08~ scans still show NED in the head, small bone spot on right iliac crest (rear pelvic bone)
Sept'08~ MRI shows activity in brain mets, completed 5 fractions/5 consecutive days of IMRT to zap the pesky buggers
Oct'08~ dropped Xeloda, switched to tri-weekly Herceptin in combo with Tykerb, extend to tri-monthly Zometa infusion
Dec'08~ Brain MRI- 4 spots reduced to punctate size, large spot shrunk by 3mm, CT of torso clear/pelvis spot stable
June'09~ new 3-4mm left cerrebellar spot zapped with IMRT targeted rads
Sept'09~ new 6mm & 1 cm spots in pituitary/optic chiasm area. Rx= 25 days of 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the tumors.
Oct'09~ 25 days of low dose 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the bone mets spot on rt. iliac crest that have been watching for 2 years. Added daily Aromasin back into treatment regimen.
Apr'10~ Brain MRI clear! But, see new small spot on adrenal gland. Change from Aromasin back to Tamoxifen.
June'10~ Tumor markers (CA15.3) dropped from 37 to 23 after one month on Tamoxifen. Continue to monitor adrenal gland spot. Remain on Tykerb/Herceptin/Tamoxifen.
Nov'10~ Radiate positive mediastinal node that was pressing on recurrent laryngeal nerve, causing paralyzed larynx and a funny voice.
Jan'11~ MRI shows possible activity or perhaps just scar tissue/necrotic increase on 3 previously treated brain spots and a pituitary spot. 5 days of IMRT on 4 spots.
Feb'11~ Enrolled in T-DM1 EAP in Denver, first treatment March 25, 2011.
Mar'11~ Finally started T-DM1 EAP in Denver at Rocky Mountain Cancer Center/Rose on Mar. 25... hallelujah.
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