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Old 12-18-2006, 01:58 PM   #1
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AC>TH v. TCH adjuvant regimen

There has been an ongoing debate here on this board and among oncologists as to the best decision for adjuvant chemo for her2+ patients. I just read the second interim results from the BCIRG 006 study (Dr. Slamon, et al) presented at San Antonio.

The presentation summarized:

The 006 update for HER2 positive malignancies shows the difference in number of DFS events and breast cancer deaths in favor of AC-TH, neither of which are statistically significant, is now exceeded by the number of critical adverse events. These include grade III/IV CHF and AC- related leukemia as well as a small AND sustained loss of LVEF for 18% (189 pts) both of which are highly statistically significant…

Go to www.bcirg.org for a pdf of the presentation

Did anybody at SABCS sit through this presentation? Any comments? I am mostly interested because my wife chose TCH as her adjuvant chemo option because she feared potential cardiac issues from the anthracycline regimen. At first, it looked like she may have taken a bit of a risk, but with the newer results, it looks like it may have been a good decision. Am I reading this correct?

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Old 12-18-2006, 02:01 PM   #2
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sorry about the formatting... I guess I cannot cut/paste very well today
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Old 12-18-2006, 04:51 PM   #3
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You are reading it correctly. I personally attended this and made comment on the SABCS area on this site.
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Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
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Old 12-18-2006, 06:03 PM   #4
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So, are they saying that because of the risks involved with AC-TH, it is not as good a treatment as TCH? Or, are they saying that AC-TH is not as effective as TCH?

I hope it was an effective treatment because that is what I did.



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Old 12-18-2006, 06:15 PM   #5
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In the beginning of this trial, AC followed by TH was superior to TCH versus the arm that had no Herceptin. Now both Herceptin arms are similar. The AC followed by TH is slightly more effective than TCH but not that much more. So little more that the risks of CHF and the rare but existing chance of leukemia may not be worth the risk.


Perhaps in the past, without the use of adjuvant Herceptin, adriamycin or any anthracycline was the best possible choice but now, it seems it may be equal to less toxic regimes. Time will tell as this is just going out 2 years versus one year. Let's see how the curves are next year.
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Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia

NED 18 years!

Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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Old 12-19-2006, 05:50 AM   #6
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Becky,

You are absolutely right. I think the most important thing to remember is that these options often evolve over time. We are really on the cutting edge with these treatments. It can be frustrating having to wait years for outcomes from these studies.

I have some background in stats, and it is still sometimes confusing to interpret all of these different results and studies.

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Old 12-19-2006, 10:33 AM   #7
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Thanks Becky. Sometimes trying to understand all the graphs and stats gets a little much for me.

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