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Old 10-25-2005, 10:44 AM   #1
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PTEN and herceptin

I am thrilled to be getting Herceptin after chemo, but I can't help but feel a little bummed since I found out about PTEN and p13K. It's kind of like the dirty little secret. You'd think with all the hoopla surrounding herceptin lately there'd be more mention of it. I read some earlier posts regarding it and went to MD Anderson's site, but couldn't find a single clinical trial involving it.
If herceptin isn't going to work because of low levels of PTEN then a whole lot of us are taking it for nothing. Is anyone else feeling like me?

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Old 10-25-2005, 02:40 PM   #2
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I was going to post the same question! Has anyone here asked their onc about testing for PTEN?
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Old 10-25-2005, 02:56 PM   #3
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What is PTEN?

I have never heard of this...I am going for first herceptin (loading dose) tomorrow and want to ask my onc. about this PTEN...
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Old 10-25-2005, 03:53 PM   #4
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I asked a Dr. this question that was doing research on PTEN at the time. There is no blood test out for it yet. the only way to check for pten is to get into a study that is checking for it there at the research site. This was a hot topic awhile ago and i did some research on it and it got me nowhere.
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:08 PM   #5
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I had also asked my onc. once I heard about this, wondering what if I am not.....why am I doing this...and was told that this was only proven in a lab and not to concern myself with this as yet.
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:09 PM   #6
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I can't remember but I think some of our threads on olive oil (oleic acid) refer to the p13K and that taking olive oil (or an oleic acid source) while on Herceptin helps restore some activities which is why oleic acid somehow helps Herceptin work in women where it doesn't work (or helps it work better or helps you also not to become resistant). I will search the archives for this now.


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Old 10-25-2005, 04:19 PM   #7
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Our member Beth is being considered for PTEN vaccine

Couple of days ago our member Beth has posted saying that she is being considere to participate in the PTEN vaccine. You can search for PTEN and find her post. Here is her post:

Dx stage 4 I had total remission with Taxol/Herceptin. Recurred and went on Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin and had progression. Just had progression on
Navelbin/Herceptin. I am going to be tested next week to get into
phase I study of the PTEN vaccine. I have to have a skin test and
brain scan to qualify. Here's some info on the trial.
Suppressor gene linked with breast cancer treatment response
Reuters Health
Posting Date: August 23 2004
Last Updated: 2004-08-23 12:00:05 -0400 (Reuters Health)

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Inactivation of the tumor suppressor gene PTEN in breast cancer cells is associated with resistance to trastuzumab according to a report in the August issue of Cancer Cell.

"Currently the only clinically validated indicator for trastuzumab response is ErbB2 status " Dr. Dihua Yu from The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center Houston Texas told Reuters Health. "Our data indicate that PTEN deficiency is a more powerful predictor for trastuzumab response than ErbB2."

Because less than 35% of patients with ErbB2-overexpressing metastatic breast cancer respond to trastuzumab therapy Dr. Yu and colleagues investigated whether the expression of PTEN an important tumor suppressor gene could predict tumor resistance to trastuzumab.

Brief treatment of cancer cells in culture with trastuzumab activated PTEN by increasing its translocation from the cytoplasm to the cell membrane the authors report.

The mechanism behind the increased membrane localization and activity appears to be the inhibition of Src binding to ErbB2 in ErbB2-overexpressing breast cancer cells leading to reduced PTEN tyrosine phosphorylation.

Cells with reduced PTEN showed significantly less growth inhibition by trastuzumab the researchers note but restoration of PTEN by inactivation of PI3K (which antagonizes PTEN function) overcame the resistance of breast cancer cells to trastuzumab.

PTEN reduction also conferred trastuzumab resistance to breast tumor xenografts in athymic nude mice the report indicates.

Moreover patients with PTEN-deficient breast cancers were significantly less likely than those with PTEN-positive tumors to have a complete or partial response to treatment with trastuzumab plus taxane the investigators report.

Dr. Yu said these results suggest that PTEN status should also be evaluated in preparation for trastuzumab treatment.

Because PI3K family protein inhibitors can help overcome PTEN-deficiency-mediated trastuzumab resistance patients who do not respond to trastuzumab alone (due to PTEN-deficiency) may benefit from trastuzumab used in combination with a PI3K family protein inhibitor Dr. Yu said.

"This needs to be validated in a well-designed clinical trial which [our] Breast Medical Oncology Department is planning to do " Dr. Yu concluded.

"For optimal success matching individual tumor signaling anomalies with a customized treatment strategy will ultimately provide the most effective way to take advantage of the ever-increasing list of new biological therapies for cancer " write Dr. Robert J. Crowder and colleagues from Washington University School of Medicine St. Louis Missouri in a related editorial.

Cancer Cell 2004;6:103-104 117-127.


So you can see phase I trials are underway and this is really exciting that
I am being considered for the trial. If I get accepted and this trial fails
and the herceptin won't work with the restoration of PTEN protein then we
will drop herceptin and move to another chemo. Maybe you could get into
this also.

Best of luck,

Beth
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Had dose dense neoadjuvant AC,Taxol then mastectomy,radiation+xeloda+Herceptin.
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Old 10-25-2005, 04:56 PM   #8
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Wow, I am blown away by all the posts here. I am not stage IV, but am going for a repeat CT/Pet scan next week for possible lung involvement. I just love this site, you all are so responsive. This is exactly what I need.
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