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03-25-2006, 12:50 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Reconstuction - Oncologist is Against It
I am 3 years out - Stage 3, 4.5 cm tumor with 15 lymph nodes positive. I had masectomy, AC, Radiation, Taxotere, and 6 months of weekly Herceptin. My oncologist gave me the Herceptin off trial.
Now I have been looking into reconstruction. My oncologist is against it. He said it is "like waking a dead animal". He said there is no clinical evidence and that he cannot tell me "No", but he is against it.
I told him that the plastic surgeon I met with has been doing this surgery since the late 80's and that out of thousands, she has only had a handful of patients reoccur. He said that was a biased opinion because she probably treats most patients who are early stage breast cancer and that I was not early stage breast cancer and that most people with my stage of disease don't even make it to the point where they can consider reconstruction.
So, I am looking for some input from some of you out there that are HER+++ and had reconstruction after treatment.
Thanks
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03-25-2006, 01:19 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Acworth, GA
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If my oncologist said "most people with my stage of disease don't even make it to the point where they can consider reconstruction" I believe I would be looking for another oncologist. I am Stage III and going through neoadjunct chemo - had 4 rounds A/C and have 3 more rounds of taxatore before surgery.
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Kate
Stage IIIC Diagnosed Oct 25, 2005 (age 58)
ER/PR-, HER2+++, grade 3, Ploidy/DNA index: Aneuploid/1.61, S-phase: 24.2%
Neoadjunct chemo: 4 A/C; 4 Taxatore
Bilateral mastectomy June 8, 2006
14 of 26 nodes positive
Herceptin June 22, 2006 - April 20, 2007
Radiation (X35) July 24-September 11, 2006
BRCA1/BRCA2 negative
Stage IV lung mets July 13, 2007 - TCH
Single brain met - August 6, 2007 -CyberKnife
Oct 2007 - clear brain MRI and lung mets shrinking.
March 2008 lung met progression, brain still clear - begin Tykerb/Xeloda/Ixempra
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03-25-2006, 02:44 PM
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Oh my gosh, he's got you dead already. That's the problem with some oncs: they give you no hope, they go by the book and they are grim even when *trying* to be upbeat. I would find another onc. asap. Try to find one that will go to bat for you.
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03-25-2006, 02:44 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Before you jump all over him, realize that this is a man who gave me Herceptin 3 years ago off label when it was only available in clinical trials or for metastatic disease. I asked for his opinion and he gave me his honest opinion, not just what he thought I wanted to hear.
So now, I am trying to gather as much info as I can so I can make a decision wheather to go for reconstruction or not.
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03-27-2006, 03:55 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 35
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I am one of the rarer ladies who has not had surgery on my breast(s) yet - we are still on chemo trying to control agressive liver mets but I know that when my onc said to me in the beggining that I may not want to even bother with a masectomy since I may not be around long enough for it to be worth it that I would be looking for a new onc soon - and I was right. Listen to your heart.
L
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03-27-2006, 06:42 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 503
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My male surgical onc in Fla insisted that lumpectomy was as good as mastectomy. When I went to a female surg onc, she insisted I have a mastectomy. The Plastic surgeon insisted on mastectomy. Because I had multifocal disease, I sought 3 opinions and the final opinion from a UPenn tumor board was: 3 were for lumpectomy and 2 were for mastectomy. All the male docs suggested the lumpectomy and the female docs suggested mastectomy... like that should make a difference. In the end I opted for lumpectomy.
I know you are looking for reconstruction, but I think that doc's decisions stem from their personal familiarity, knowledge and experience.
I really believe that all doc's have their reasons for whatever surgical (or not) procedure they deem appropriate. In the end, the decision is really up to you. If you feel you have the cancer under control- or eliminated all together... go for it!
Maria
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03-27-2006, 12:23 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Morris, IL
Posts: 3,507
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I answered you other post about reconstruction...Hope it helps
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"Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."
Hugs & Blessings
Sheila
Diagnosed at age 49.99999 2/21/2002 via Mammography (Calcifications)
Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
Pericardial Window Surgery to Drain Pericardial Effusion
7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
10/6/10 Begin my miracle drug, TDM-1
Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
2/2011 I CELEBRATE my 9 YEAR MARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
2/8/2012 Gemzar stopped, Continue Herceptin
2/20/2012 Begin Tomo Radiation to Neck Nodes
2/21/2012 I CELEBRATE 10 YEARS
5/12/2012 BeganTaxotere/ Herceptin is my next miracle for new node progression
6/28/12 Stopped Taxotere due to pregression, Started Perjeta/Herceptin
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03-27-2006, 01:39 PM
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If you have not already looked search above top RH corner under masectomy where there has already been some discussion - links to other resources etc.
You may also want to consider argumensts as to whether surgery can through the repair process activate inflamatory pathways, ( inflamatory pathways are considered by some as implicated in BC) degree of surgery, options etc.
RB
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03-27-2006, 11:20 PM
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Meekas,
I have a friend who was stage III C and had a bi-lateral done with reconstruction at the time. This was 6 months after radiation was done. She is doing fine and is 6 mo. from having it done.
Here are some things you may want to consider?
Your age? Do you want to go on without a breast for he rest of your life? It's an option for some.
Have you looked at all the different kinds that are available to you? Which one would you have?
Would it make you FEEL better?
Meekas, It's all about you and your self image of yourself and how you feel? I wouldn't let ANY doctor tell me what I am going to have done. This is your body and whatever makes you feel good about what has been done to you then you should go for it. I am a big believer in what my gut tells me to do and then does it. No hesitations, no regrets. No one to blame but me, because it was my decision. Good luck with yours. Talk to some plastic surgeons, you have the one you like, get some referrals from her, patients who had cancer and talk to them. I had one who had only patients call me who had it done for cosmetic reasons. They had no idea what I was about. Best to you
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