HonCode

Go Back   HER2 Support Group Forums > her2group
Register Gallery FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-17-2013, 08:00 AM   #1
'lizbeth
Senior Member
 
'lizbeth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Sunny San Diego
Posts: 2,214
Re: Cancer secret to success?! Finding your match!

Thank you Andy for starting this thread and Jackie and GDP for your postings.

This is a lot of information, of which some I have to digest with a dictionary and google.

Cell death end points seems very intriguing. None of us want to suffer through treatments that don't work for us.

I am always pushing for more participation in clinical trials. The system appears to me that if approved in a trial the test or treatment becomes part of standard of care, it becomes available to all cancer patients.

Why hasn't personalized cancer diagnosis and treatment made it's way into the clinical trial system? Is it because it is not patentable? and therefore no one has claim to its profits?
__________________
Diagnosed 2007
Stage IIb Invasive Ductal Carcinoma, Pagets, 3 of 15 positive nodes

Traditional Treatment: Mastectomy and Axillary Node Dissection followed by Taxotere, 6 treatments and 1 year of Herceptin, no radiation
Former Chemo Ninja "Takizi Zukuchiri"

Additional treatments:
GP2 vaccine, San Antonio Med Ctr
Prescriptive Exercise for Cancer Patients
ENERGY Study, UCSD La Jolla

Reconstruction: TRAM flap, partial loss, Revision

The content of my posts are meant for informational purposes only. The medical information is intended for general information only and should not be used in any way to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent disease
'lizbeth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2013, 08:16 AM   #2
gdpawel
Senior Member
 
gdpawel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,080
Re: Cancer secret to success?! Finding your match!

In regards to Dr. Weisenthal's Amazon.com review of Dr. Nagourney's book, I've been involved in internet cancer research for 17 years and I've been following cell function analysis over 12 years. I've read and studied the history of it dating back decades.

While reading the book, when I came across the information about Oncotech and Medicare reimbursement, I knew Dr. Nagourney was wrong. I thought Dr. Weisenthal's comments were a very helpful review of the book.

There were "others" that were running Oncotech at the time Drs. Nagourney & Weisenthal decided to leave the company. It was taken over by venture (vulture) capitalists, like a lot of private laboratories.

There was one individual running the company that steered the EDR (extreme drug resistance) assay into dominance, the one that Dr. Nagourney is more critical of than Dr. Weisenthal is.

When business people take over a medical laboratory, common sense and science is generally sacrificed. Like when "investigators" dominate over "discoverers" in cancer medicine.

Dr. Nagourney is a practicing oncologist as well as a medical director of an assay lab. As a physician, he could not recommend his patients use his laboratory assay, it's against the Stark law - named after former Rep. Pete Stark - which restricts physicians on self referral patterns.

Dr. Weisenthal is a medical director of an assay lab only. He always had fought for Medicare reimbursement of assays (any assays). After the Medicare meeting in Baltimore in 1999, CMS decided to reimburse for the drug "resistance" part of the testing (half the science is better than no science at all).

It allowed at least one-third of the more accurate assay to be reimbursed for Medicare patients. They only had to pay for two-thirds (not 100%). In 2006, however, CMS decided to reimburse 100% for both resistance AND sensitivity testing.

But when Palmetto, GBA took over for NHIC, they "arbitrarily" decided to drop reimbursing for the assay, period. They've been doing the same kind of stuff with not reimbursing for Avastin, or when it comes to Pet Scans, and so forth. So it's nothing new with them.

In regards to the randomized clinical trial paradigm, there is a lot of caveats about it. http://cancerfocus.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3692
gdpawel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright HER2 Support Group 2007 - 2021
free webpage hit counter