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Old 07-08-2008, 05:43 PM   #1
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Unhappy Help my feet are on fire

Here I am once again asking for help...... my feet are on fire and are throbbing, my onc thinks it's from walking on my wooden deck in bare feet on the weekend.... but it's not getting any better, I asked about lowing the dose of 1600mg twice daily for 14 days, I am only in day 11 of the first cycle and I really want to stay on this drug, he is checking with my tomorrow to see if it has gotten any better. I have tried using lotions including Gold Bond Ultra, just wondering if anyone else has had this side effect and what worked for them. Thanks again.
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Dec 2006 Herceptin q three weeks
May 2007 bone mets to sternum
June 2007 aredia for bone mets
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June 2008 slow progression of lung met, all other mets NED, continue Herceptin, Aredia, add Xeloda
July 08 Stopped Xeloda, severe side effects from the drug, but it did a fantastic job after only 12 days at least 50% reduction
Feb 09 Started Navelbine with herceptin, slight progression in lungs.
July 09 - Nov 09 had a Navelbine holiday...
Nov 09 back to Navelbine, Herception
Feb 10, lungs have improved but 4 small lesions on liver, started Taxol, Herceptin....
Taxol not the magic drug for me
Continuing Herceptin,Aredia,and adding Xeloda once again..reduced dose
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Old 07-08-2008, 06:51 PM   #2
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I do know they say to avoid extreme heat and extreme cold to the feet...the heat allows more of the drug to seep into the tissues, causing more pain and irritation. Do wear extremely comfy shoes...I ended up getting rid of most of my shoes....I truly lived in Flip Flops while on Xeloda!!! Still do!!
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Old 07-08-2008, 07:23 PM   #3
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Patricia,
I have been on Xeloda since Jan. I tolerated the first round fine, then it became increasingly difficult to walk and do ordinary tasks. There are three stages, to hand foot syndrome.( a brochure will detail or look up on internet). Anyway, I read on the internet that some Doctors are recommending one week on and one week off. My Doctor didn't have a problem with me trying that. It works better for me. I have had my dose lowered from 2000mg to 1800mg and may have to lower it again. The end of week one is rough. I totally agree with Sheila, flip lops or some smooth open shoes work best. Crocs are killers with all the little nubs. I use Specto Exema Cream for my hands and feet. (less greasy).
I also read that there was a trial to see if nicotine patches might close the capillaries sp? I tried it but I don't think it worked for me. Hope this helps. Hang in there,
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:08 PM   #4
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I was on 2000mg and my feet were blistered. The day I went in for my scans and was told I was NED, I wore slippers to the drs. office. I feel for you. I had to occaisionally take a few days off to help, but lowering the dose is probably the most logical answer. I played tennis through chemo and I know that this activity aggravated the problem, try to be gentle on your hands and feet while you are on Xeloda. I used the udder cream they gave me but it really didn't help all that much...sherryg683
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:28 PM   #5
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thanks to all who replied, I can function with the discomfort and I will stay the course if my onc will allow...today I went to the local farm supply store and bought bag balm, although a bit greasy it helps for the short term......... at night I have started to do cool foot baths that feel great! thanks again it's a great comfort to be able to ask for help when it's needed and help is so forthcoming, I once again thank all who contribute to this great site
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Intial Dx Sept3,2002, age 39
Masct/ Sentinel Node Biopsy Sept 11,2002 node negative
ER/PR- Her2+++, grade 3
Started AC Chemo Nov 2002, 4 rds
2003 NED
May 2004 reconstuction, saline and later silicone implant
Aug 2006 Dx recurrence, lymph nodes chest/lungs/sternum
Dec 2006 Herceptin q three weeks
May 2007 bone mets to sternum
June 2007 aredia for bone mets
June 2007 radiation to sternum X 5
June 2008 slow progression of lung met, all other mets NED, continue Herceptin, Aredia, add Xeloda
July 08 Stopped Xeloda, severe side effects from the drug, but it did a fantastic job after only 12 days at least 50% reduction
Feb 09 Started Navelbine with herceptin, slight progression in lungs.
July 09 - Nov 09 had a Navelbine holiday...
Nov 09 back to Navelbine, Herception
Feb 10, lungs have improved but 4 small lesions on liver, started Taxol, Herceptin....
Taxol not the magic drug for me
Continuing Herceptin,Aredia,and adding Xeloda once again..reduced dose
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Old 07-09-2008, 02:57 PM   #6
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3200 mg/day is a very high dose to start with unless you are a really really large person. You might want to print this article in the link below for your onc.

While 3200 is what they used in the original trials, since that time doctors have found that many people can not tolerate that high of a dose and that lower doses work just as well while dramatically lowering side effects. Several of us on the board can witness to this fact. I could only handle 2500 and that is if I did 1 week on 1 week off.

other suggestions:
1. It is really important you take it on a full stomach within 15 minutes of eating.

2. If my skin was sore I would sleep with my hands and feet coated in a thick cream with socks and gloves on.


http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...ract/16/8/1289


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NED 16 months added zometa
May 2008 new lesion in liver 15mm Tykerb/Xeloda/Herceptin
July 2008 stable...yeah!
Sept 2008 NED again !!!
Jan 2009 fell off the wagon again spot back in the liver and fell out of menopause.
Feb 2009 RFA and 2nd liver resection to remove spot ---back on the NED wagon again continue Tykerb, Herceptin.
March 2009- oophrectomy added Femara and bi-annual Zometa
May 2009- scans clear but suspect lung nodule
June 2009- Lung VAT wedge resection to remove nodule---fungus ball not cancer!! phew
Aug 2009- NED
Nov 2009-scans again clear YAHOO!
March 2010- scans clear continue Tykerb, Herceptin, Femara, Zometa Q6mo
Nov 2009-Nov 2019 scans clear done every 6 months


Feb 2020 - Fell out of the NED wagon hard! single liver lesions and large infect cyst. 3 weeks in ICU.
March 2021- 5 cycles perjeta, herceptin, navelbine. lesion stable.
June 2021 - 3rd liver resection to remove single liver lesion. Continued perjeta, herceptin.
Nov. 2021- PET scan show 5 hot nodes near liver. 9 cycles Kadcyla
June 2021- PET scan shows progression. nodes size unchanged but even more SUV uptake.

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Old 07-10-2008, 09:01 AM   #7
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walking on glass

Hi Patricia-
I get a feeling like I've been walking on crushed glass. This is after a year on tykerb - which I believe is the culprit. I was on a bunch of other stuff throughout this past year so who knows for sure BUT here's what I've learned:

Don't let your feet get hot. DON'T walk barefoot. I used to but cannot - it will trigger "the feeling". Change your shoes a bunch. As Sheila said - flip flops are the best. Always wear socks under your tennis shoes. Recently I walked barefoot at the beach and stayed in the wet sand and surprisingly I was fine so maybe the salt water is good? Or maybe just being at the beach is good

Just FYI - I am one of those dry people who do not perspire but I still get this side effect at times. It is a burning feeling but also like I walked on crushed glass.

I also do cool foot soaks - add some epsom salt (not too much) and I like Aveda foot creme from the dead sea.

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2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
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‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
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12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
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4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:23 AM   #8
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kk1 and Flori

kk1 thankfully the onc has stopped the drug today ending the cycle a day early and we'll start the next cycle at a lower dose as I suggested to him, I'm a average build person and my husband questioned the amount of drug thinking it was alot........
flori, I have done the epsom salt bath with cool not cold water and have one pair of sandals that I can wear, and my husband suggested going to the beach and walking in the salt water, we live only 10 miles from the altantic ocean and at this time of year it's definetly cold
I have used bag balm, gold star ultra cream, plain old jergins lotion and so far not much improvement, but I'm hoping that in the next week things will improve...
thanks
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Intial Dx Sept3,2002, age 39
Masct/ Sentinel Node Biopsy Sept 11,2002 node negative
ER/PR- Her2+++, grade 3
Started AC Chemo Nov 2002, 4 rds
2003 NED
May 2004 reconstuction, saline and later silicone implant
Aug 2006 Dx recurrence, lymph nodes chest/lungs/sternum
Dec 2006 Herceptin q three weeks
May 2007 bone mets to sternum
June 2007 aredia for bone mets
June 2007 radiation to sternum X 5
June 2008 slow progression of lung met, all other mets NED, continue Herceptin, Aredia, add Xeloda
July 08 Stopped Xeloda, severe side effects from the drug, but it did a fantastic job after only 12 days at least 50% reduction
Feb 09 Started Navelbine with herceptin, slight progression in lungs.
July 09 - Nov 09 had a Navelbine holiday...
Nov 09 back to Navelbine, Herception
Feb 10, lungs have improved but 4 small lesions on liver, started Taxol, Herceptin....
Taxol not the magic drug for me
Continuing Herceptin,Aredia,and adding Xeloda once again..reduced dose
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Old 07-12-2008, 04:54 PM   #9
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how about neuragen. sold over the counter for diabetics that have nerve endings neuropathy.
i will let you know it's expensive. about 29.99 off the shelf

maybe that will help?

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