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Old 02-23-2008, 08:01 AM   #1
Lani
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Exclamation steroid pretreatment used with taxanes found to interfere with herceptin's effective

ness
TAKE A DEEP BREATH AND CONSIDER--
1) IT IS BASED ON WORK IN A PETRI DISH, NOT IN A LIVE HUMAN SO IT IS NOT CERTAIN THE RESULT WOULD BE THE SAME IN A WHOLE HUMAN BEING

HOWEVER, THE TUMOR CELL LINE THEY LOOKED AT WAS A HER2+ER+ CELL LINE (THEY DID NOT LOOK AT SKBR3, A HER2+ER- CELL LINE)

THE FACT IS THAT THE HERCEPTIN ADJUVANT STUDIES SHOWED SUCH WONDERFUL RESULTS WHEN COMPARED TO THE OTHER ARM WHICH WAS
A TAXANE WITHOUT HERCEPTIN, BUT STILL WITH STEROID PRETREATMENT

SO THE IMPROVEMENTS IN DFS AND OS ARE STILL VALID, BUT THERE IS A CHANCE THE ABSOLUTELY IMPROVEMENTS MIGHT HAVE BEEN EVEN GREATER IF THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE HERCEPTIN WITH A CHEMODRUG WHICH DID NOT REQUIRE STEROID PRETREATMENT (and noone knows the results of herceptin monotherapy)

Just food for thought--not to alarm anyone

The adventure is continuing and those who have had herceptin as part of their treatment until know remain "pioneers"

There is still much to learn!

1: Int J Oncol. 2008 Mar;32(3):683-8.
Dexamethasone interferes with trastuzumab-induced cell growth inhibition through restoration of AKT activity in BT-474 breast cancer cells.

Sumikawa T, Shigeoka Y, Igishi T, Suyama H, Yamasaki A, Hashimoto K, Matsumoto S, Takeda K, Ueda Y, Shimizu E.
Division of Medical Oncology and Molecular Respirology, Faculty of Medicine, Tottori University, Yonago 683-8504, Japan.
The combination of trastuzumab with paclitaxel (PTX) is an important option for the treatment of HER2-positive breast cancer. Dexamethasone (Dex) premedication is routinely used in the treatment with PTX. The interactions among Dex, PTX and trastuzumab were evaluated in BT-474 cells. Dex interfered with trastuzumab-induced cell growth inhibition without clear effects on PTX-induced cytotoxicity. Trastuzumab dephosphorylated retinoblastoma protein (pRB). Dex restored this trastuzumab-induced dephosphorylation of pRB and released trastuzumab-induced G1 arrest. Trastuzumab suppressed AKT activity without affecting ERK activity. A specific inhibitor for the phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase/AKT pathway, LY294002, inhibited cell growth and AKT and pRB phosphorylation. Dex restored the trastuzumab-induced suppression of AKT without affecting ERK activity. It was concluded that Dex interferes with trastuzumab-induced cell growth inhibition, at least partially, through the restoration of trastuzumab-induced AKT suppression and subsequent pRB dephosphorylation in BT-474 breast cancer cells. These observations support the development of new chemotherapeutic regimens without glucocorticoid premedication.
PMID: 18292946 [PubMed - in process]
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Old 02-23-2008, 01:11 PM   #2
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Sounds like a good reason to look further toward the use of Abraxane in combo with Herceptin... no?
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NOV 2012 - 9 yr anniversary
JULY 2012 - 7 yr anniversary stage IV (of 50...)

Nov'03~ dX stage 2B
Dec'03~
Rt side mastectomy, Her2+, ER/PR+, 10 nodes out, one node positive
Jan'04~
Taxotere/Adria/Cytoxan x 6, NED, no Rads, Tamox. 1 year, Arimadex 3 mo., NED 14 mo.
Sept'05~
micro mets lungs/chest nodes/underarm node, Switched to Aromasin, T/C/H x 7, NED 6 months - Herceptin only
Aug'06~
micro mets chest nodes, & bone spot @ C3 neck, Added Taxol to Herceptin
Feb'07~ Genetic testing, BRCA 1&2 neg

Apr'07~
MRI - two 9mm brain mets & 5 punctates, new left chest met, & small increase of bone spot C3 neck, Stopped Aromasin
May'07~
Started Tykerb/Xeloda, no WBR for now
June'07~
MRI - stable brain mets, no new mets, 9mm spots less enhanced, CA15.3 down 45.5 to 9.3 in 10 wks, Ty/Xel working magic!
Aug'07~
MRI - brain mets shrunk half, NO NEW BRAIN METS!!, TMs stable @ 9.2
Oct'07~
PET/CT & MRI show NED
Apr'08~
scans still show NED in the head, small bone spot on right iliac crest (rear pelvic bone)
Sept'08~
MRI shows activity in brain mets, completed 5 fractions/5 consecutive days of IMRT to zap the pesky buggers
Oct'08~
dropped Xeloda, switched to tri-weekly Herceptin in combo with Tykerb, extend to tri-monthly Zometa infusion
Dec'08~
Brain MRI- 4 spots reduced to punctate size, large spot shrunk by 3mm, CT of torso clear/pelvis spot stable
June'09~
new 3-4mm left cerrebellar spot zapped with IMRT targeted rads
Sept'09~
new 6mm & 1 cm spots in pituitary/optic chiasm area. Rx= 25 days of 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the tumors.
Oct'09~
25 days of low dose 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the bone mets spot on rt. iliac crest that have been watching for 2 years. Added daily Aromasin back into treatment regimen.
Apr'10~ Brain MRI clear! But, see new small spot on adrenal gland. Change from Aromasin back to Tamoxifen.
June'10~ Tumor markers (CA15.3) dropped from 37 to 23 after one month on Tamoxifen. Continue to monitor adrenal gland spot. Remain on Tykerb/Herceptin/Tamoxifen.
Nov'10~ Radiate positive mediastinal node that was pressing on recurrent laryngeal nerve, causing paralyzed larynx and a funny voice.
Jan'11~ MRI shows possible activity or perhaps just scar tissue/necrotic increase on 3 previously treated brain spots and a pituitary spot. 5 days of IMRT on 4 spots.
Feb'11~ Enrolled in T-DM1 EAP in Denver, first treatment March 25, 2011.
Mar'11~ Finally started T-DM1 EAP in Denver at Rocky Mountain Cancer Center/Rose on Mar. 25... hallelujah.

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