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Old 10-17-2007, 08:26 PM   #1
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Hi Pink

They all measure different things. And it's a heckuva alphabet soup.

CT is more like an xray, and can show areas of different density than the surrounding tissue. So a tumor or scar tissue or necrotic (dead tumor) would appear different than the surrounding area and "show up" on a CT scan.
PET measures metabolic activity - specifically the uptake of a radioactive glucose (sugar) contrast. Since cancer cells are "sugar feeders", they will light up on a PT scan because they are actively sucking up the contrast. PT also can give false positives because inflammation or tissue repair (like after an injury or working out) will also have a lot of metabolic activity.
MRI measures the reflection of magnetic pulses. Again, different types of tissue reflects the pulse differently.

Real world example of how these come into play, from my experience:
I had liver tumor identified on CT scan. During the course of chemo, I was monitored with CT scans which showed some reduction, but may also have been dead/dying tumor. Eventually the CT scan was completely clear, NED. Oops, not completely clear! There were/are 2 tiny spots which were there all along and still are, they are thought NOT to be cancer.

Fast forward 2 years, CT scan shows new areas of concern in liver and spine. But it is not clear that either of these are cancer. So more tests - bone scan which I didn't mention but is sort of like a PT for bones. Showed no cancer there. PT scan showed that the areas of interest in the liver (this is what they called them!) did have increased glucose uptake, so they were determined to be cancer. I now get full body PT scans which thank God show stable liver lesions and ALSO show a ton of activity in my brain. BUT WAIT! Your brain cells are also sugar feeders! So that is ok! If I want to check out my brain some more, I need to get an MRI. A CT scan can sometimes show something, but MRI is best for the brain

Like I said, quite the alphabet soup - not to mention radioactive merry go round. They should choose which type of test based on what info they need. Sometimes, as Andi mentioned, they will go with a cheaper (but less conclusive) test in hopes they can rule out problems, which they sometimes can, but if something shows up, they need to follow up with the more precise test.

Hope this helps. Also hope you never need any of them! They're really fun, but you probably have better things to do with your time!
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June 2002 extensive hi grade DCIS (pre-cancer-stage 0, clean sentinal node) Mastectomy/implant - no chemo, rads. "cured?"
9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial

5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:38 PM   #2
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Hi Pink,

I also think docs have different philosophies. Mine has a don't test until symptoms present. I guess I'm OK with that for now.

Good luck on tests Andi. BB
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Old 10-17-2007, 09:09 PM   #3
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Wink Thanks And Standing Ovation!

THANKS BEV for your good wishes.

KUDOS TO CHRISY! PRECISE AND WELL EXPLAINED WITHOUT ALL THE MUMBO JUMBO. INTELLIGIBLE. KEEN. And thanks to you for that. I knew it. It was just rattling around in my brain as a bunch of errant words. You put them together so cohesively. I have copied them for further reflection and better absorption.

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'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:32 PM   #4
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I think a Pet scan can cover a broader area. I had a pet scan when first diagnosed to see if there were any other areas in question. I think if the pet scan showed anything other than what we already knew, my onc would have ordered more tests to varify the findings. Now, if I have a concern my onc usually orders an X-ray or CT because we are looking at a particular area in question and not trying to get a picture of the whole body. My onc is also of the opinion that scans should be done if there is an area that is symptomatic. I was in a study at the time of my treatment that used MRI's mostly and I am not sure what the significance of that was. I personally think I would go "bonkers" if I had routine scans!

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