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Old 06-13-2007, 03:24 PM   #1
Joy
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my one or two cents

which is about all I got...I have heard the same thing from two oncs regarding markers and looking for solid trends i.e. doubling/tripling. I used them for years and they are accurate for me, BUT I could no longer mentally play the rollercoaster game. So I requested that either we don't use them and the doc was cool with that or I just don't pay much attention to what is being drawn anymore. The staff can have the numbers and I don't need them. It has helped my piece of mind quite a bit. I still am crazy from living with MBC, but my craziness is on a more even ride rather than the rollercoaster like before.

Thinking of you so much.
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dx stage I 2/2000*er/pr+; her- per IHC*lumpectomy*4 rounds A/C*30 rads*tamoxifen*dx stage 4 5/2002*huge mets to liver*tiny mets to lungs*stopped tamoxifen*5/02 taxotere/xeloda*her 2 checked with FiSH-her2+++herceptin *2/03 stopped chemo femara w/herceptin*zolodex*04 switched to aromasin w/herceptin*05 high estrogen tx*11/05taxol/carbo*7/06 stopped chemo; megace/herceptin*9/06navelbine/herceptin*5/07tykerb/xeloda great response*4/08 progression in liver; ooph/ faslodex /herceptin
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:04 PM   #2
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Dear Joy: I hear you; most of us do not want to be bother with "Numbers" anymore. This is just from my perspective and my oncologist; Numbers do not matter as much as your energy level, and most importantly "how you feel"

This is me. I don't know that it will help you, but let me try.

No more CT scans, (except the yearly BRAIN MRI),
No more asking for the "number"

I simply go to my doctor, which I adore, I really do, -he's the coolest - everytime he comes into the examination room, he asks the same question: How are you doing Adriana? I always respond. Great!!! Then he would tell me the number which _I swear to God_ I pay no attention anymore! And that's the end of it.

This last time (around February), the tumor marker went up to 67 and I couldn't sleep, eat, nothing; was consummed day and night with the stupid number, so I decided to let my onc. do the "dance"

As long as am in agreement with wich treatment to follow, I nave no problem with it.

It's just too much Joy, I cannot do it - no more "numbers"..

Everything is in my head, that's what I keep telling myself. Pay no attention, but be good to your body and "listen" to your symptoms.

Good Bless You. Hang in there.
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28 nodes neg
Er,Pr, Positive HER2 status unknown
2003- Recur to rt lung.July 16 ( B-Day!)
Her2+++ Er,Pr, Negative
2003 - Aug04--Navelbine + Herceptin
2004- 2007--
NED - Herceptin, only
2007 Feb-April Xeloda added to hereceptin
2007-May Back on Navelbine+Herceptin
2008-Feb-Mar 15 Ses Rad to Rt. Lung
2008- Oc 17 Add Tykerb to Herceptin
2009- June-- Discont Tykerb
2009 July 7--Current Taxol + Herceptin
2009 Dec--Discontinued treatment due to progression. Looking into cyberknife.
2010-Aug Accepted to TDM1, no SE, except liver count went up.
2010-2011 September got kicked out of the trial, due to a small spot found on lung.
2011- 2012 September thru early 2013 on Herceptin
2013- March Bone density shows small spot on 5th rib.
2013 - April 4th appt with onc. will post after discussing course of treatment.
2013-March-April Cyber knife to brain and radiation to rib. Chest --base line before chemo-CT-Scan stable for lung issue. CA2729 Normal.
2013 April Herceptin- TDMI
2013 Sept Herceptin + Perjeta . CA2729 within normal range. Brain and Pet scans October 31st. will post results.
2013 October Brain MRI- mixed response. Will see Onc/rad on Halloween.
2013 October/November Brain-MRI nothing new. Repeat MRI next year in May.

2013 December Continue Herceptin and Perjeta. Stable at the moment.
2014 February Brain MRI -clear!
2014 January Added Taxotere to Perjeta+Herceptin.
2014 March Stopped chemo-chest ct-scan next.

2014- March Scans shows tumor's larger, CA2729 higher. Discontinue Herceptin.
2014 April Perjeta+ Halaven
2014 April CA2729 went down 60 points after one cycle. Cough does not want to go away.
2014 June Continue on Perjeta + Halaven-- no more cough. Stable
2014 June Back on Herceptin + abraxane
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Old 06-13-2007, 05:46 PM   #3
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Go Down You Markers!

Oh Flori,

I see that you are worried. We do not like those markers going anywhere but down down down...
I tried googling margin of error and markers. I did not come up with a definite answer, but it seems like it is very possible that the rise in your numbers is within the margin of error of these kinds of tests.
I also see your logic of going back to the usual dose of Tykerb and maybe reduce it after a couple of months when you had good scans and good markers for a while.
I don't see anything wrong with calling your oncologist and telling him that you'd be more comfortable going back to the 5 Tykerb at least till your scans in July. The Xeloda dose is based on height and weight and you mentioned before that you are thin. Is it possible that he thinks the lower dose of Tykerb is appropriate for you because of that?

The way I (and probably most of us) feel: rather take some immediate discomfort then the anxiety about the future.
Wishing you good luck with your decision and sending GOOD SCANS/LOW MARKERS vibes your way.

Let us know what you'll do,
love and prayers,
Odette

PS. My onc does not even do markers, he just does not believe in them.
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August-October 2006 Taxotere + Herceptin
November 18, 2006 Mastectomy 16 involved lymph nodes
Jan 2, 2007 start radiation
Stage IV, Jan 12, 2007 recurrence in cervical lymph nodes while on Herceptin, stopped Herceptin
Rad oncologist extended the radiation field, good response
Started Tykerb Xeloda on beginning of May 2007
Progression to lungs and conglomerate lymphadenopathy July 2007
Undecided about next treatment

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