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Old 11-06-2007, 07:32 AM   #1
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a "muance" to consider if contemplating APBI (accelerated partial breast irradiation)

it is important to consider that if the tumor bed is medial (toward the midline of the body rather than towards the armpit) that there might not be (so much of or even an) advantage with regards to how much radiation the lungs and/or heart are exposed to


5 November 2007

Partial breast irradiation exposes normal tissue

MedWire News: Women who undergo partial breast irradiation (PBI) for breast cancer may receive as much exposure to the heart and lungs as those who receive standard whole breast irradiation (WBI), say US researchers.

But PBI, compared with WBI, can spare significant cardiac tissue in patients with lateralized tumor beds, the researchers note.

"We suspect there are fundamental differences in the amount of exposure to radiation a patient has using these techniques, but no one has ever looked at how much normal tissue is spared," said Laura Vallow (Mayo Clinic, Jacksonville, Florida) at the recent 2007 meeting of The American Society for Therapeutic Radiology and Oncology in Los Angeles, USA.

She added: "We are interested in the finer points of treatment planning, with the ultimate goal of making treatment more tolerable with less radiation exposure."

In the first phase of the study, the researchers enrolled 25 women with early stage breast cancer and devised computer generated radiotherapy plans for WBI and 3-D conformal PBI.

As reported at the meeting the volumes of the ipsilateral lung receiving 2.36, 4.60, 8.80, and 16.40 Gy doses were 29.7, 21.9, 12.0, and 5.8%, respectively, in PBI plans and 26.5, 17.8, 12.2, and 8.2%, respectively, in WBI plans.

"Patients are getting more exposure overall to their lungs with partial breast irradiation but less lung tissue is irradiated to higher doses compared to whole breast irradiation," Vallow summarises.

In the second phase of the study, the researchers enrolled 14 women who had undergone lumpectomy in their left breast and calculated radiation to normal heart tissue.

They found that PBI and WBI delivered about the same amount of radiation to the heart of women whose tumors were located in the middle of the breast. In women whose tumors were closer to the armpit, however, PBI spared most of the heart tissue, exposing just 2.4% at 2.5 Gy, compared with 13.5% for WBI at the same dose.

"The hope is that a short course of radiotherapy will be as effective as the much longer course, and that this could lead to increased use of breast conservation over mastectomy," Vallow said.

Vallow et al claim that by calculating these "nuances of tissue exposure" they can improve the effectiveness of PBI, which could lead to an increase in conservative treatment.

"Many women may be opting for a mastectomy instead of a lumpectomy in order to avoid weeks and weeks of radiation treatment," Vallow says.

"If the results of both methods are equivalent, then perhaps some of these women will choose less drastic surgery."



49th annual meeting of The American Society for Therapeutic Radiology and Oncology; Los Angeles, USA: 28 October - 1 November 2007

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Old 11-06-2007, 09:50 AM   #2
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Sorry I meant "nuance"

perhaps "muance" is a new noise made by Chinese hamsters while lactating!
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Old 11-06-2007, 03:52 PM   #3
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Wink For Lani...

I was going to look up the word muance, as it was in quotes and seemed so authoritative! Thanks Lani for saving me the trouble...

I must ask. I can't contain myself any longer. I have been reading your posts for over a year, always w/great interest. They are informative and thought-provoking always... And there are nearly 1700 of them!

However, I see you do not have a SIGNATURE or a PROFILE, Lani. I don't even know if you are a female, or if you have bc, let alone HER2+ gene. I would have PMd you, but neither that or sending an email are an option for under your member name. Would you be willing to share w/your Sisters and Brothers a bit of who you are, as we all do?

You have great medical understanding that's for sure. Is it through personal experience? Please forgive my being so forward as to ask these questions. As I said, I would have done it privately if I could have, but this is the only way to contact you. I would guess others would be interested in knowing more about our Lani cohort...
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'95 post-meno dx Invasive LOBULAR w/9cm tumor! YIKES + 2/21 nodes. Clear mammo 10 mnths earlier. Mastec/tram flap reconst/PORT/8 mnths chemo (4Adria/8CMF). Borderline ER/PR. Tamoxifen 2 yrs. Felt BLESSED. I could walk and talk, feed and bathe myself! I KNEW I would survive...

'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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Old 11-07-2007, 09:40 AM   #4
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inject a little humor (ie, regarding muance)

and you open up a can of worms.

I wish to remain incognito. I have my (very good) reasons and they are personal.

My wishing to remain anonymous does not impact the quality(for what it's worth and I hope that is considerable)/quantity(more than 1700 posts as an unconscionable(sp?)number of my posts were lost in the hacking of this site) of my input.

I hold no expertise in the area ; the breadth, extent of my reading, however, are evident.

Does not knowing the personal history of a long-dead painter, sculptor, author or composer keep you from being able to access, gain benefit from their work?

Rather than works of art I produce information (or as I call it ammunition and sources of hope).

I enjoy so much the articles posted by hopeful, RhondaH, et al as their joy in finding new "ammunition" is almost palpable in their postings, as well as their generosity/enjoyment involved in the posting.
I genuinely sing their praises.

The phantom "propellerhead" (TOM'S TERM FOR ME) poster
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Old 11-07-2007, 10:18 AM   #5
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Hi Lani,
I am also very curious like Andi. I figure that you have your reasons...I must admit that while reading Andi's message to you, I realized that I've invented a "Lani" in my mind - I picture this person whenever I read your posts. Maybe another time I'll describe the person I imagine. Right now, I'm sounding crazier than I intended. lol.

Thanks for all that you do - it means the world to so many of us. You have helped me many times. I hope someday to know more about you!
xo Flori
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1996 cancer WTF?! 1.3 cm lumpectomy Er/Pr neg. Her2+ (20nodes NEGATIVE) did CMF + rads. NED.
2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.

3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
10/26/20 - June 2021 Tucatinib/xeloda/herceptin - stable ish.
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Old 11-07-2007, 11:42 AM   #6
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Wink A Voice From The Shadows...

Okay Lani, I respect your need to live in camouflage. But please don't shy away from humor. It is very healing. And brings such joy to others!

I chose to pose my long held question to you when you were in a good mood, hoping for the best opportunity to make contact w/the real you.

Please keep on posting. Keep on arming us. And keep on laughing w/us. When you are ready, please take your disguise off (as per your incognito comment).

The more we learn abut one another, the closer w/all feel. Surely many of us have revealed intimate details of not only our medical history but private feelings and the scars that came both w/them and because of our experience. We each learn much from one anothers sharing. We grow. We feel validated. We feel supported. And armed in different and empowering ways... We are a family, I feel. I have genuine affection for those who join me on this board.

With all due respect and an ongoing desire to know the source of the accumulation of so much medical awareness...

Like Flori, we each have our vision of what Lani looks like and hold a fantasy of what Lani is all about ... You know me -- I'm all out there, open, honest and reaching out...
Andi


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'95 post-meno dx Invasive LOBULAR w/9cm tumor! YIKES + 2/21 nodes. Clear mammo 10 mnths earlier. Mastec/tram flap reconst/PORT/8 mnths chemo (4Adria/8CMF). Borderline ER/PR. Tamoxifen 2 yrs. Felt BLESSED. I could walk and talk, feed and bathe myself! I KNEW I would survive...

'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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