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Old 12-28-2009, 04:38 PM   #1
Marilyn
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Scan Frequency

How often do those of you who have metastatic breast cancer have scans? I have bone mets and haven't had scans in 3 years. I have been disease free since 2002 so I'm assuming that is why my doctor's have not scheduled them recently. Thank you for your input.
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Old 12-28-2009, 06:16 PM   #2
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Re: Scan Frequency

Hi Marilyn -
Congratulations on staying disease free for that many years.

I just had this conversation with my onc. She has had me checked by CT every 6 months. I had liver mets. I am starting to feel like I want to have longer between scans, but now that I am off long-term Herceptin over one year now, am not sure I want to give up my scans.

A few other gals, stageIV, and with long term NED I know also still get scans, and definitely more often than annual.

I have a bone scan every couple of years, besides DEXA scans on the alternating years. That may also change to just the DEXA.
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Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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Old 12-28-2009, 07:32 PM   #3
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Re: Scan Frequency

With the thought of stopping Herceptin I am now seeking out all the information that I can. It's almost like when I was newly diagnosed. I can't get enough information and am having a hard time finding it about women who have been disease free for some time. At any rate I definitely will want to have scans with more frequency than I have been having. In the beginning I had them often but the length of time between scans gradually got longer and longer and I think 3 years is a long time and maybe we should make sure everything is ok before I take any further steps. Stopping Herceptin is such a monumental decision to me. Did you feel that way too Steph?
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:19 PM   #4
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Re: Scan Frequency

Hi Marilyn - Great news about being disease free! Congratulations! Long may you dance with NED.

I get a PET/CT about every 3 months. But since my tumor markers seem to really track what my disease is doing and I do have some concerns about the long term effects of exposure to radiation, I am going to ask my onc about doing them a little more infrequently - like every 4 or 5 months, eventually every 6 months.
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April 09: Gamma Knife 10 brain mets, add Xeloda.
Sept 09: Gamma Knife to 1 brain met.
Nov 09- April 10: Lung progression, add Gemzar to Herceptin, Zometa.
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Sept 10: Add Tykerb for more brain mets.
Oct 10: Gamma Knife to 7 brain mets.
Dec 10: Switch from Zometa to Denosumab.
Jan 11: Gamma Knife to 3 brain mets.
March 11: Gemzar/Herceptin for lung/bone progression.
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Old 12-29-2009, 01:00 AM   #5
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Re: Scan Frequency

Marilyn, That's wonderful that you have stayed in remission all that time. Here's to many more to follow. That being said when it comes to scans some onc's don't believe in giving scans at all unless there are symptoms. Then other onc will give them at set times, 3, 6, 12 months depending on stage,& type of mets you have.

Since Her2 is so aggressive I like to at least make sure I have a brain MRI every 6 months...and never any longer then a yr. I was orignally dx stage IIIA, Her2, with pos nodes. I had at least 6 or 7 PET/CT scans in 3.5 yrs. Along with brain scans, two DEXA scans...and just recently a bone scan. I recently had a recurrence and now have MBC. I just started back on herceptin/Navelbine and will be having a 3 month PET/CT scan soon to see if the chemo is working. Also I have 5 months of ECHO's already set-up since I'm on herceptin. It's really up to your onc...alot of onc feel it causes too much anxiety for a women to run scans if no symptoms.

Being stage IV like you are, and since you are thinking of stopping Herceptin I think it's only fair to want and request a scan. Three yrs is a long time...well for me it is. Some woman rather not go through all that. But I do better once I get my information back from a scan. (Were all different...there is no set rule.) But I think for your peace of mind I would bring this up to your onc at your next appt.

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10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
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Old 12-29-2009, 11:45 AM   #6
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Yes, marilyn, stopping the Herceptin DID feel like a VERY big step. I considered it for a while, and spoke with my med onc about it. I still see her quarterly. She set me up for FULL surveillance prior to the next visit. Pet/CT, every bit of blood work you can think of, DEXA, HER2 serum on a more regular basis.

With all that information putting me in the clear, I made my decision.

In your shoes, I would want all those tests ASAP for ease of mind before going ahead. Do you get brain MRIs?

After about 3 months, I began to feel quite liberated from my cancer center. They did a lot of remodeling and when I went back, I felt like a "Stranger in a Strange Land." Can you picture that?!? It is life changing, to gently snip that umbilical cord.
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Live in the moment.

MY STORY SO FAR ~~~~
Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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Old 12-29-2009, 04:34 PM   #7
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Re: Scan Frequency

Yes, I am definitely thinking a total workup and scans. I've never had a brain MRI but I think I might want one....can't believe I'm saying that because I am so claustrophobic. I've had an MRI and will need relaxation drugs to be put in that tube...clammy palms just thinking about it. I am so lucky to have this decision in front of me. It's just surreal because I never thought I'd be making it. I am glad that I don't see the oncologist again until March 2nd so that I have plenty of time to research and come to grips. It is exciting to think of not showing up at the clinic every 3 weeks even though I don't really mind going now.

I did have scans more regularly at first and I guess the past few years have slipped by and I realized I hadn't had scans in 3 years. Definitely will change that! Thanks all.
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