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Old 05-25-2015, 04:21 AM   #1
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"Healed" rib fracture or...??

Hey all,

Long time no talk...but don't think I haven't been lurking.

I recently had a bone scan. It was ordered in March when I saw my rad onc and complained of left rib pain that I felt sure was regenerating nerve pain. I didn't have the scan until right before I saw my med onc in May. During that time the right side of my ribs began to hurt too. I didn't see any MD's in between the time of rad onc and med onc so the only people I told about the right rib was my therapist (that's another story) and my family.

So the scan shows something on the right 4th rib. It could be a "healed" fracture but because of my history they suggested a follow up xray. I had that thinking I'd get a definitive answer but no...they see something on that too which could be a "healed" rib fracture but based on my history blah blah blah.

So 5 different oncs discuss this (three are mine) and they are all in agreement that it is a "healed" rib fracture. My rad onc is now on vacation oversees and will call me in a week or two to discuss whats next.

I believe it will be a rescan at some point.

But here is the thing. I don't remember hurting a rib. And if it is "healed" why do I have pain. Sudden pain. One day no pain, the next day pain. It isn't excruciating but it does hurt and if I press on it it hurts more.

I almost feel as if the oncs think I am "crying wolf".

I have Dr Googled rib fracture and bone mets but now I am asking the experts. Any knowledge you can pass to me would be greatly appreciated. BTW, my last CA-15 was "12"

Leah
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April 20, 2012: Dx Invasive Ductal Carcinoma
April 25, 2012: ER+(5%), PR-, HER2+++
May 10, 2012: BRCA 1,2 Negative
May 23, 2012: MUGA Scan EF 70%
May 31, 2012: B/L Mastectomy. 2/2 nodes removed and CLEAR!! Power Port placed. 2 Drains. 2 Expanders placed
June 5, 2012: Drains OUT! Ahhhh..
June 12, 2012: Final Pathology Report, .8x.3cm tumor. Micromets to 1 node .35mm under cytokeratin staining. Stage 2A. Onc says "you are lucky to have found this early"
July 10, 2012: Started 6 rounds of TCH with weekly H
Sept 5, 2012: MUGA 65%
Sept 20, 2012: CAT scan of brain clear!
Oct 23, 2012: LAST TC! AMEN! Continue Herceptin every three weeks until July 2013.
Nov 19, 2012: Port out!
Dec 5, 2012: Started radiation
Dec. 10, 2012: MUGA 65%
Dec. 13, 2012: Turned 40. BEST BIRTHDAY EVER!
Jan 23, 2013: Last radiation. Told I am NED. Continue Herceptin every three weeks till July 2013.
Jan 29, 2013: Begin 5 years of Tamoxifen.
Feb 28, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. 5mm and 4mm nodules of unknown origin. Rescan in 3 months.
Mar 6, 2013: EF 60%
May 8, 2013: Exanders out, implants implanted...abd. lipo and fat moved up. Girls are looking good!
June 3, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. Previous nodules gone. New nodules (2mm and 3mm) found. Rescan in 3 months. So sorry I opened this can of worms...
June 11, 2013: EF 60%
June 25, 2013: Last Herceptin. wow...
Aug 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Xray to sore left ribs shows no disease or fractures.
Sept 9, 2013: CT of lungs shows no disease. Closing this can of worms and moving on.
Nov 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Severe Vit D deficiency, started on prescription Vit. D. Blaming chemo for this.
Feb 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits. Graduated to twice yearly onc appts.
Oct 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Bone density scan fine. Bone scan and xray of ribs shows "something" 4th right rib. Could be healed fracture but if it is healed why does it hurt?
Nov 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Follow up bone scan clear.
Feb 2016: Syncope! WTF? Dizzy too. Brain scan clear, ECHO EF 60%, Halter Monitor shows heart is fine. Viral? I will never know.
June 2016: Tumor markers WNL.
Oct 2016: Stabbing pain right eye. Long story short, trigeminal neuralgia.
Nov 2016 Brain MRI clear.
Jan 2017: Tumor markers WNL, still getting weird pain right rib area, and sometimes right upper chest. Xray x2, Bone Scan, Breast MRI all clear. Scar tissue? Rads. I may never know.
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Old 05-25-2015, 05:12 AM   #2
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

I wonder if a PET/CT scan would clear things up.
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Old 05-25-2015, 12:11 PM   #3
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Becky would either of those give me the definitive answer I'm looking for?
Thanks
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April 20, 2012: Dx Invasive Ductal Carcinoma
April 25, 2012: ER+(5%), PR-, HER2+++
May 10, 2012: BRCA 1,2 Negative
May 23, 2012: MUGA Scan EF 70%
May 31, 2012: B/L Mastectomy. 2/2 nodes removed and CLEAR!! Power Port placed. 2 Drains. 2 Expanders placed
June 5, 2012: Drains OUT! Ahhhh..
June 12, 2012: Final Pathology Report, .8x.3cm tumor. Micromets to 1 node .35mm under cytokeratin staining. Stage 2A. Onc says "you are lucky to have found this early"
July 10, 2012: Started 6 rounds of TCH with weekly H
Sept 5, 2012: MUGA 65%
Sept 20, 2012: CAT scan of brain clear!
Oct 23, 2012: LAST TC! AMEN! Continue Herceptin every three weeks until July 2013.
Nov 19, 2012: Port out!
Dec 5, 2012: Started radiation
Dec. 10, 2012: MUGA 65%
Dec. 13, 2012: Turned 40. BEST BIRTHDAY EVER!
Jan 23, 2013: Last radiation. Told I am NED. Continue Herceptin every three weeks till July 2013.
Jan 29, 2013: Begin 5 years of Tamoxifen.
Feb 28, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. 5mm and 4mm nodules of unknown origin. Rescan in 3 months.
Mar 6, 2013: EF 60%
May 8, 2013: Exanders out, implants implanted...abd. lipo and fat moved up. Girls are looking good!
June 3, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. Previous nodules gone. New nodules (2mm and 3mm) found. Rescan in 3 months. So sorry I opened this can of worms...
June 11, 2013: EF 60%
June 25, 2013: Last Herceptin. wow...
Aug 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Xray to sore left ribs shows no disease or fractures.
Sept 9, 2013: CT of lungs shows no disease. Closing this can of worms and moving on.
Nov 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Severe Vit D deficiency, started on prescription Vit. D. Blaming chemo for this.
Feb 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits. Graduated to twice yearly onc appts.
Oct 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Bone density scan fine. Bone scan and xray of ribs shows "something" 4th right rib. Could be healed fracture but if it is healed why does it hurt?
Nov 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Follow up bone scan clear.
Feb 2016: Syncope! WTF? Dizzy too. Brain scan clear, ECHO EF 60%, Halter Monitor shows heart is fine. Viral? I will never know.
June 2016: Tumor markers WNL.
Oct 2016: Stabbing pain right eye. Long story short, trigeminal neuralgia.
Nov 2016 Brain MRI clear.
Jan 2017: Tumor markers WNL, still getting weird pain right rib area, and sometimes right upper chest. Xray x2, Bone Scan, Breast MRI all clear. Scar tissue? Rads. I may never know.
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:41 AM   #4
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

I am not sure. Healing also has a stronger uptake of glucose so it might glow just as cancer does. I would talk to your onc and have him take a look. I had a similar situation when I was a few years out but it was my lung. I had one of those coronary artery CT scans. That result was great but the scan got some of my right lung in the shot that showed "something" . I had those scans send to my rad onc and medical onc who said it was scarring from an pnemonia which I had had a bad one years be fore. Maybe theres someone who can look at it and say.

As for breaking it in the first place, did you have a bad cough, lift something too heavy, bump into something. Did someone hit into you. The weirdest things can happen. My mom broke a rib coughing and didnt know until weeks later when it hurt so bad we took her to the ER.
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1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
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Old 05-26-2015, 03:08 PM   #5
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Leah I went through a similar thing a few years ago, I had a load of scans but none were definitive, I finally had to wait six weeks for a biopsy but it was deemed too small for that. My Onc then ordered a PET/CT which was clear and she felt I was fine and cancer free which was around six years ago I think.

I know it's worrying and we always will when getting these pains, hoping for some clear results and answers for you soon, I think in my case it was Sciatica that lit up as I've been suffering with attacks of it ever since, but better than cancer!
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:14 PM   #6
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Leah,

I have nothing to add, just want you to know I read your post and I'm pulling for you.

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Old 05-26-2015, 05:35 PM   #7
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Thanks Ladies,

Every time I have asked med onc about PET scan he says my labs are good so why go looking for trouble? I respect the man but sometimes feel he has an old school "let ME worry about it"" attitude. I have followed his advise for the past (almost) two years since ending Herceptin.

Yes, I did have a very bad cold this past winter plus took a hard hit to the ground while sledding over an ice ramp (I really don't recommend anyone ever do that) but both were months ago. Months and months ago.

But....I swear that now, after BMX 3 years ago and reconstruction 2 years ago, I am getting sensation back in my upper torso. Pins and needles tingling. Itchy itchy itchy foobies.

One of my favorite infusion nurses texted today to remind me that MD's have to say "we can't rule out" because of our highly litigious society and I understand that but..still....it doesn't help calm my nerves.

I guess now I wait. Wait for rad onc to come back from vacation (I am not scheduled to see her until March 2016) and wait to see if pain goes away or gets worse. What else can I do?

But here is the question I have for rad onc when she is back...If I didn't have "History" what would she think that black spot on my bone scan and xray is? What would be her first thought?

And I'm sorry I've been so absent lately. I have been here (I can't drag myself away for long) but quiet. I know exactly what is going on with our posting members, new and old, and continue to pray daily for all of us.

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April 20, 2012: Dx Invasive Ductal Carcinoma
April 25, 2012: ER+(5%), PR-, HER2+++
May 10, 2012: BRCA 1,2 Negative
May 23, 2012: MUGA Scan EF 70%
May 31, 2012: B/L Mastectomy. 2/2 nodes removed and CLEAR!! Power Port placed. 2 Drains. 2 Expanders placed
June 5, 2012: Drains OUT! Ahhhh..
June 12, 2012: Final Pathology Report, .8x.3cm tumor. Micromets to 1 node .35mm under cytokeratin staining. Stage 2A. Onc says "you are lucky to have found this early"
July 10, 2012: Started 6 rounds of TCH with weekly H
Sept 5, 2012: MUGA 65%
Sept 20, 2012: CAT scan of brain clear!
Oct 23, 2012: LAST TC! AMEN! Continue Herceptin every three weeks until July 2013.
Nov 19, 2012: Port out!
Dec 5, 2012: Started radiation
Dec. 10, 2012: MUGA 65%
Dec. 13, 2012: Turned 40. BEST BIRTHDAY EVER!
Jan 23, 2013: Last radiation. Told I am NED. Continue Herceptin every three weeks till July 2013.
Jan 29, 2013: Begin 5 years of Tamoxifen.
Feb 28, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. 5mm and 4mm nodules of unknown origin. Rescan in 3 months.
Mar 6, 2013: EF 60%
May 8, 2013: Exanders out, implants implanted...abd. lipo and fat moved up. Girls are looking good!
June 3, 2013: CT Scan with Contrast of lungs. Previous nodules gone. New nodules (2mm and 3mm) found. Rescan in 3 months. So sorry I opened this can of worms...
June 11, 2013: EF 60%
June 25, 2013: Last Herceptin. wow...
Aug 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Xray to sore left ribs shows no disease or fractures.
Sept 9, 2013: CT of lungs shows no disease. Closing this can of worms and moving on.
Nov 20, 2013: Tumor markers within normal limits. Severe Vit D deficiency, started on prescription Vit. D. Blaming chemo for this.
Feb 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits. Graduated to twice yearly onc appts.
Oct 2014: Tumor markers within normal limits.
May 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Bone density scan fine. Bone scan and xray of ribs shows "something" 4th right rib. Could be healed fracture but if it is healed why does it hurt?
Nov 2015: Tumor markers WNL. Follow up bone scan clear.
Feb 2016: Syncope! WTF? Dizzy too. Brain scan clear, ECHO EF 60%, Halter Monitor shows heart is fine. Viral? I will never know.
June 2016: Tumor markers WNL.
Oct 2016: Stabbing pain right eye. Long story short, trigeminal neuralgia.
Nov 2016 Brain MRI clear.
Jan 2017: Tumor markers WNL, still getting weird pain right rib area, and sometimes right upper chest. Xray x2, Bone Scan, Breast MRI all clear. Scar tissue? Rads. I may never know.
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Old 05-26-2015, 06:14 PM   #8
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Hey! I can't comment on your sore rib...except that waiting is awful. I wish nothing but good news for you! I want to comment on your feelings returning after 3 years, I am still regaining feeling after almost 10 years out!! Usually starts with a crazy phantom itch...then strange tingling, followed by sensitivity...and...bingo.. feeling where there once was numb. What a trip this has been...nothing surprises me anymore. XXOO
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Old 05-26-2015, 11:52 PM   #9
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Hi LeahM, I read over your signature and I noticed that you had severe vitamin D deficiency and rib pain before. I wonder if your pain is related to that? I have my first bone scan coming up. My ribs/chest hurts because of rads, I believe. Hope the pain and spot goes away.
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Old 05-27-2015, 04:21 AM   #10
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Re: "Healed" rib fracture or...??

Had the same thing. Turned out it was a fabulous side effect to Tamoxifen mixed with my osteopenia.
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