Stress Major Driver In Cancer Cells - Page 2

KDR · 10-05-2011, 05:50 AM

At this point, I'd like to point out that Bernie Siegel, a world-class author and onocologist, shares his views on mind-body connection, and how he has seen patients cure themselves, in SOME instances, by releasing anger, destressing and living a positive-minded life. Will it happen for me? Not sure, but it is more comfortable and serene to live life this way. I tend to believe that the scientists who display their findings above are accurate to a degree, after all, what are they saying? A neurotransmitter has been identified which stimulates breast cancer cells. Glad they found it. Most health-care professionals believe our mental outlook has much to do with our overall health. Our systems are so different. If I have one glass of wine, I'm tipsy. I'm sure that doesn't apply to all.

We don't usually beckon stress, it usually finds us.

As I look back, and re-evaluate the trip called My Life, I see so much emotional violence: the deaths of my dogs (train, steamroller, cars), the death of my horse when she slipped on ice and broke her leg, the deaths of my two nephews under the age of three, the death of my grandmother who was like my mother, the death of my lover of 13 years in just six weeks, of course, the World Trade Center catastrophe, plus all else I can't possibly write in a thread, and I wonder how much natural healing was I born with? How much will require extra effort on my part now? I have a theory that our immune system is our own ozone layer. Poke too many holes in that, look what happens...a complete meltdown. So the idea of detoxing, massage, self-love, de-stressing, a positive frame of mind and my faith will get me through.

Cancer may win in the end, but not today. I've already talked to it and we've agreed on that.

norkdo · 10-05-2011, 08:42 AM

re: At this point, I'd like to point out that Bernie Siegel, a world-class author and onocologist, shares his views on mind-body connection, and how he has seen patients cure themselves, in SOME instances, by releasing anger, destressing and living a positive-minded life. Will it happen for me? Not sure, but it is more comfortable and serene to live life this way. I tend to believe that the scientists who display their findings above are accurate to a degree, after all, what are they saying? A neurotransmitter has been identified which stimulates breast cancer cells. Glad they found it. Most health-care professionals believe our mental outlook has much to do with our overall health. Our systems are so different. If I have one glass of wine, I'm tipsy. I'm sure that doesn't apply to all.

We don't usually beckon stress, it usually finds us.

As I look back, and re-evaluate the trip called My Life, I see so much emotional violence: the deaths of my dogs (train, steamroller, cars), the death of my horse when she slipped on ice and broke her leg, the deaths of my two nephews under the age of three, the death of my grandmother who was like my mother, the death of my lover of 13 years in just six weeks, of course, the World Trade Center catastrophe, plus all else I can't possibly write in a thread, and I wonder how much natural healing was I born with? How much will require extra effort on my part now? I have a theory that our immune system is our own ozone layer. Poke too many holes in that, look what happens...a complete meltdown. So the idea of detoxing, massage, self-love, de-stressing, a positive frame of mind and my faith will get me through.

Cancer may win in the end, but not today. I've already talked to it and we've agreed on that.

wow. thanx soooo much for this. Makes soooo much emotional sense. May I borrow the view of immune system as private ozone layer? you have nailed the whole issue well. I picture the relationship between stress and cancer in the context of the following: pls forgive incorrect science where it occurs. you get the drift.

1. Adrenal glands respond to stress. Produce adrenaline. Excess adrenaline mixes with aromatase-making proteins, etc. Converts adrenaline into estrogen hormone. Estrogen has X effect on all cells of body.

2. Progesterone is produced in response to stress. In pregnant women, for example, this excess progesterone causes havoc as it imbalances testosterone available for secondary male characteristics in developing male embryo...and has unknown effects on developing female embryo...

3. chain effect on all processes and cells used by all cells affected.

4. all living things, when stressed, choose either fight (they change internally to attempt some kind of survival, be it mutation or self defense of some sort like that) or flight (a baby in utero..... when u stress it with alcohol or other chemicals like thalidomide or other things doctors have claimed at one time or another were safe for the baby...cannot "fly" so must change somehow) or flight...so I tend to see mutation as some kind of flight or fight response...to a stress an ancestor was under..or that I have been under....

I love a thread that makes me grow in some way. all the comments here are wow level interesting and growthful.

KDR · 10-05-2011, 06:36 PM

Norkdo,
I see in your signature that you had a disastrous two-day period in April. I sympathize with you--you have had so much to deal with in such a short time.
I am happy to add my thoughts to this thread as I believe there is merit in the findings. Indeed, you may "borrow" the idea of the ozone layer. Funny, thyroid issues (even though the propensity is there), seem to surface on the advent of a major blow in life: death, moving, birth of a child, etc. Stress seems to push disease to the forefront.
Hoping studies conducted yield us answers soon.
Karen

KristinSchwick · 10-05-2011, 07:08 PM

From my research background we know that many many many more people have cancer.... but its kept in check by their immune system. The immune system can detect, kill and/or suppress growth of cancer by many mechanisms. It is also a fact that stress releases corticosteriods which just like prednisone and other steriods suppresses the immune system. So even though stress doesn't cause cancer (per se), it can (in some individuals) weaken the body just enough to enable cells to escape immune detection. I am a firm believer that the only thing that causes cancer.... is bad luck and that those little DNA mutations are totally random and can happen to anyone and everyone.
Kristin

suzan w · 10-05-2011, 07:13 PM

I will toss in my 2 cents worth on this topic! I, too had none of the factors that put me at risk for cancer, in fact to this day I am still (knock on wood) the ONLY person in my family, going back many generations to have ever gotten cancer!! In 2004, the summer before my diagnosis, while on a cross country RV trip from FL to CA and WA), the RV caught FIRE!!! Phew. Survived that (heart...kathump kathump). Fixed up RV...2 weeks after arriving in WA our house (indeed more than that!) was hit by a HURRICANE!! oh no...flew back to FL next day, leaving all pets in the RV with a strange "petsitter". Community demolished, house half demolished. Packed all belongings and had them shipped to my son in WA. By the time we got back to our RV, 2 weeks later, it had sprung a major roof leak and all was flooded...enough detail...things went from bad to worse, until my mammo in Apr. showed a suspicious "spot". Now, I do not think that stress "caused" my cancer, I think it may have speeded up a process that was probably already underway. Stress is highly underrated in our society! Interestingly enough, when I finally convinced my GP to order the BRCA test ( my oncologist wouldnt do it) it came back positive!!! Go figure!!! I love the dialogue on this thread, it shows what a bunch of spunky kids we are!!!!