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10-03-2010, 11:32 AM
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Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
I've been taking Nordic Naturals Omega-3 and now Ultimate Omega and recently I've been taking the two pills a day at once and I try to do this before the early afternoon.
Now, I'm wondering if it's affecting my sleep as last night and a few nights earlier I seemed a bit wired and active mentally and couldn't really sleep well. Has anyone else experienced this and do you have any suggestions? Becky, I believe you once mentioned that Omega-3s and fish oils, in general, may do this. Today, I'm only going to take one Ultimate Omega and do it before noon.
Vicki
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1.5cm tumor, ER-PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
Stage 1B, Three negative nodes from Sentinel Node Biopsy
Paget's of the nipple, Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma and DCIS of the rt breast
Bloom-Richardson score 8/9, P53+ 60-70%, Ki-67+ 30-40%
Skin-sparing mastectomy with immediate lat-flap reconstruction and saline implants, 1/04
Chemo: FAC, five sessions every three weeks Feb.-May 04, then switched to HTC weekly for 12 weeks, June-Aug 04
Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia, started April 09
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10-03-2010, 01:33 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Vic,
I was taking Nordic Naturals right before bed and it was keeping me up as well, so I switched to taking it in the late afternoon where I figured I could use that jump in energy. That must be early enough for me because I'm sleeping better.
Idelle
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10-03-2010, 05:08 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Thanks for bringing this up. I had no idea Omega 3's could disrupt sleep, and I don't sleep well to begin with. I will definitely make sure I take this supplement by noon.
That's what I love about this site - sharing all kinds of little "tidbits", as well as major ones.
all the best
caya
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Stage 1, grade 2, Node Negative (16 nodes tested)
MRM Dec.18/06
3 x FEC, 3 x Taxotere
Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08
Tamoxifen - 2 1/2 years
Femara - Jan. 1, 2010 - July 18, 2012
BRCA1/BRCA2 Negative
Dignosed 10/16/06, age 48 , premenopausal
Mild lymphedema diagnosed June 2009 - breast surgeon and lymph. therapist think it's completely reversible - hope so.
Reclast infusion January 2012
Oopherectomy October 2013
15 Years NED!!
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10-03-2010, 05:45 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
OK, here's the experiment. I just popped an Omega-3 - let me see what happens tonight...
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10-03-2010, 06:31 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Jackie I will be waiting for your update tomorrow. It will be interesting...
all the best
caya
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ER90%+/PR 50%+/HER 2+
1.7 cm and 1.0 cm.
Stage 1, grade 2, Node Negative (16 nodes tested)
MRM Dec.18/06
3 x FEC, 3 x Taxotere
Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08
Tamoxifen - 2 1/2 years
Femara - Jan. 1, 2010 - July 18, 2012
BRCA1/BRCA2 Negative
Dignosed 10/16/06, age 48 , premenopausal
Mild lymphedema diagnosed June 2009 - breast surgeon and lymph. therapist think it's completely reversible - hope so.
Reclast infusion January 2012
Oopherectomy October 2013
15 Years NED!!
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10-03-2010, 06:50 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Never bothers me. The worst sleep disruptor after the 'roids with chemo was Tamoxifen.
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7mm invasive component
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Tamoxifen 10/08. Switched to Femara 8/09
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Clinical Trial w/Clondronate 12/08
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Switched back to Tamoxifen due to tendon pain from Femara
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10-03-2010, 06:52 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Jackie,
I'm doing the same experiment and will also advise. I only took one and it was at 11:30 a.m.
Sweet dreams,
Vicki
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Diagnosed 12/03 at age 53
1.5cm tumor, ER-PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
Stage 1B, Three negative nodes from Sentinel Node Biopsy
Paget's of the nipple, Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma and DCIS of the rt breast
Bloom-Richardson score 8/9, P53+ 60-70%, Ki-67+ 30-40%
Skin-sparing mastectomy with immediate lat-flap reconstruction and saline implants, 1/04
Chemo: FAC, five sessions every three weeks Feb.-May 04, then switched to HTC weekly for 12 weeks, June-Aug 04
Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia, started April 09
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10-03-2010, 08:41 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
I take anything that might keep me awake before noon. I take things that may make me drowsy later in the day.
How about a cup of warm milk before bed to relax you and help you sleep?
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10-03-2010, 08:48 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
I take Cod liver oil (Nordic Naturals) in the a.m. right before breakfast--I take Melantonin (Life Extension) at night--in addition to being a great sleep aid--there have been studies that Melantonin can be effective against bc--and especially my type ILC.
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Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
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10-03-2010, 08:56 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Hmm...
Of all the things in mom's supp list...never considered the fish oil.
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10-04-2010, 02:55 AM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
So this is why I'm still wide awake at 4:53 am...
Conclusion: no fish oil after10 am...
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http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/06/doctors-letter-patient-newly-diagnosed-cancer.html
http://www.asco.org/ASCOv2/MultiMedi...=114&trackID=2
NICU 4.4 LB
Erythema Nodosum 85
Life-long Central Neurocytoma 4x5x6.5 cm 23 hrs 62090 semi-coma 10 d PT OT ST 30 d
3 Infertility tmts 99 > 3 u. fibroids > Pills
CN 3 GKRS 52301
IDC 1.2 cm Her2 +++ ER 5% R. Lmptmy SLNB+1 71703 6 FEC 33 R Tamoxifen
Recc IIB 2.5 cm Bi-L Mast 61407 2/9 nds PET
6 TCH Cellulitis - Lymphedema - compression sleeve & glove
H w x 4 MUGA 51 D, J 49 M
Diastasis recti
Tamoxifen B. scan
Irrtbl bowel 1'09
Colonoscopy 313
BRCA1 V1247I
hptc hemangioma
Vertigo
GI - > yogurt
hysterectomy/oophorectomy 011410
Exemestane 25 mg tab 102912 ~ 101016 stopped due to r. hip/l.thigh pain after long walk
DEXA 1/13
1-2016 lesions in liver largest 9mm & 1.3 cm onco. says not cancer.
3-11 Appendectomy - visually O.K., a lot of puss. Final path result - not cancer.
Start Vitamin D3 and Calcium supplement (600mg x2)
10-10 Stopped Exemestane due to r. hip/l.thigh pain OKed by Onco 11-08-2016
7-23-2018 9 mm groundglass nodule within the right lower lobe with indolent behavior. Due to possible adenocarcinoma, Recommend annual surveilence.
7-10-2019 CT to check lung nodule.
1-10-2020 8mm stable nodule on R Lung, two 6mm new ones on L Lung, a possible lymph node involvement in inter fissule.
"I WANT TO BE AN OUTRAGEOUS OLD WOMAN WHO NEVER GETS CALLED AN OLD LADY. I WANT TO GET SHARP EDGED & EARTH COLORED, TILL I FADE AWAY FROM PURE JOY." Irene from Tampa
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10-04-2010, 06:55 AM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
And I slept better because I had taken only one Omega 3 in the morning.... okay I think we may have solved the problem.
It's just before 10 a.m. here - I will be taking that supplement pronto!!
all the best
caya
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ER90%+/PR 50%+/HER 2+
1.7 cm and 1.0 cm.
Stage 1, grade 2, Node Negative (16 nodes tested)
MRM Dec.18/06
3 x FEC, 3 x Taxotere
Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08
Tamoxifen - 2 1/2 years
Femara - Jan. 1, 2010 - July 18, 2012
BRCA1/BRCA2 Negative
Dignosed 10/16/06, age 48 , premenopausal
Mild lymphedema diagnosed June 2009 - breast surgeon and lymph. therapist think it's completely reversible - hope so.
Reclast infusion January 2012
Oopherectomy October 2013
15 Years NED!!
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10-04-2010, 07:21 AM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Omega 3 can disrupt sleep but isn't as much of a culprit as the CoQ10. Make sure you take that by noon or so.
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Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
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Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
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10-04-2010, 02:29 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Becky,
Do you know the reason why omega-3 and coQ10 disrupt sleep? It would be interesting to find out.
Idelle
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10-04-2010, 03:58 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Hi all,
My reading would suggest that overall Omega 3s would improve sleep for a variety of reasons.
There is very little experimental work on Omega 3 and sleep but I am aware of one trial that is being done at the moment, one suggesting that babies whose mothers had high DHA in breast milk slept better, another suggesting it may improve sleep in children, and just found this one.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/582688
Omega-3 Fatty Acids Inversely Related to Sleep Apnea Severity
DHA is also important to melatonin production, and which suggests it will improve sleep.
There are other mechanisms by which DHA may contribute to sleep.
However I had never considered if time of intake would affect sleep.
Does it happen with ordinary bottled fish oil? I have historically found taking fish oil before bed may improve sleep. but that is only an impression. However I took some last night and did not sleep for a while. I am now wondering if its effect late at night depends on your Omega 3 status. If you cell membranes are already at capacity it will be metabolised differently I suspect. Thanks for the observations, food for thought (-:
C0Q10 falls at night, and I can think of reasons why COQ10 supplementation would alter cellular function in ways that would reduce sleep. Insomnia is listed as an effect of C0Q10here.
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/p...allpages/print
Re Omega 3s I had a quick look at nordic naturals, and could not see anything else in them that would explain sleep loss. I do not know if gelatin affects sleep.
I would be really interested to hear your observations on fish oil and sleep.
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10-04-2010, 11:49 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Both Q10 and DHA cross the bbb. Q10 provides energy to every cell so it stands to reason it will perk you up..I take it only in the morning. otherwise no sleep!
jackie (down under)
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10-05-2010, 01:06 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
Well I've been sleeping better now that I've taken the capsule before 11 a.m. I slept much better last night and wanted to mention that Becky brings up a good point about CoQ-10 being a possible contributor to a more sleepless night. Now that I think of it, I've been taking Solaray's Red Yeast Rice with CoQ-10 (and it has reduced my cholesterol from 217 to 198. Yea!) and I was splitting those two pills in the a.m. and midafternoon, so that could also have been part of it. Thanks, everyone, for joining in on this. Making a simple adjustment in the time of day I take these two supplements is helping.
Vicki
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Diagnosed 12/03 at age 53
1.5cm tumor, ER-PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
Stage 1B, Three negative nodes from Sentinel Node Biopsy
Paget's of the nipple, Infiltrating Ductal Carcinoma and DCIS of the rt breast
Bloom-Richardson score 8/9, P53+ 60-70%, Ki-67+ 30-40%
Skin-sparing mastectomy with immediate lat-flap reconstruction and saline implants, 1/04
Chemo: FAC, five sessions every three weeks Feb.-May 04, then switched to HTC weekly for 12 weeks, June-Aug 04
Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia, started April 09
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10-09-2010, 10:02 AM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
I've also been taking my supplement before 11:00 a.m. the past few days and the effect has been nothing short of miraculous - I've had 7 - 71/2 hours of basically uninterrupted sleep. No trouble falling asleep either.
all the best
caya
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ER90%+/PR 50%+/HER 2+
1.7 cm and 1.0 cm.
Stage 1, grade 2, Node Negative (16 nodes tested)
MRM Dec.18/06
3 x FEC, 3 x Taxotere
Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08
Tamoxifen - 2 1/2 years
Femara - Jan. 1, 2010 - July 18, 2012
BRCA1/BRCA2 Negative
Dignosed 10/16/06, age 48 , premenopausal
Mild lymphedema diagnosed June 2009 - breast surgeon and lymph. therapist think it's completely reversible - hope so.
Reclast infusion January 2012
Oopherectomy October 2013
15 Years NED!!
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10-10-2010, 03:07 AM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
HI Caya
Thanks for the observation.
Have you been taking Omega 3 for a while?
Does the oil have any Vit A or D - I have no idea if vit A or D are factors but used to be present in greater quantities in fish oil.
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10-10-2010, 09:16 PM
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Re: Do Omega-3 supplements disrupt sleep?
R.B.
I have been taking Omega 3 for about 2 years. It is a 1000 mg. capsule, -EPA 300 mg. DHA 200 mg. No vitamin A or D in the capsule, but I take a multivitamin daily which has 1,000 IU Vit. A, plus 500 U of Vitamin D3. I take an additional 4,000 units of Vitamin D3.
I also take Glucosamine Chondroitin, Calcium, Magnesium,Vitamin C, Cranberry Supplement, Curcurmin, Potassium (due to low potassium because of a diuretic I have been taking for about 25 years).
all the best
caya
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ER90%+/PR 50%+/HER 2+
1.7 cm and 1.0 cm.
Stage 1, grade 2, Node Negative (16 nodes tested)
MRM Dec.18/06
3 x FEC, 3 x Taxotere
Herceptin - every 3 weeks for a year, finished May 8/08
Tamoxifen - 2 1/2 years
Femara - Jan. 1, 2010 - July 18, 2012
BRCA1/BRCA2 Negative
Dignosed 10/16/06, age 48 , premenopausal
Mild lymphedema diagnosed June 2009 - breast surgeon and lymph. therapist think it's completely reversible - hope so.
Reclast infusion January 2012
Oopherectomy October 2013
15 Years NED!!
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