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12-18-2006, 03:08 AM
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I agree with the aggressive approaches mentioned above. At the same time, I think Herceptin with Taxol and no chemo is an option as the BIRG study from this week's newest news releases says that HT is just as effective as ACTH, meaning chemo or AC treatment had no advantage on survival relapse outcomes compared to just Her. and taxol. See Dr. susan love website blog on the san ant. breast conf. for more information of the San antonio breast website.
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Robin
2002- dx her2 positive DCIS/bc TX Mast, herceptin chemo
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12-18-2006, 08:10 AM
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#22
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Jersey
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Jenna,
I feared the Her2 much more than the treatment.
I also had a small 6MM tumor, node negative,
clean margins. But please do remember her2 likes to
"Travel" this disease is not a fair player. It is much
easier to treat this monster while contained once
the horse is out of the barn the fight becomes
so difficult.
You will often read on this site how we are all different
and the cancer reacts to each one of us differently, well
the constant thing about her2 is that it is nasty. Don't be shy
with this.....I did choose to treat with full guns and
I will share with you I still live in fear....Also please do keep
in mind that there is a new generation of her2 early stagers,
the results of which are still not out. The last year or so
many early stagers have chosen to take treatment and
we will learn more as time passes. Hopefully we may see
less recurrence and stop this disease in its tracks. I do
know that Dr. Slamon told me that chemo works well with
herceptin and who knows that using the chemo with the early stagers
may just be our winning ticket? No one has any answers just yet.
Wishing you the best,
Jean
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12-18-2006, 09:24 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Wilmington, Del.
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I agree with everything said here. Please treat this recurrence aggressively. All the very best to you. MJO
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MJO
IDC, Stage I, Grade 2
Oncotype DX Score 32
Her2++ E+P+, Node Neg.
Lumpectomy 11/04/05 Clear Margins
3 Dose dense AC (Couldn't tolerate 4)
4 Dose dense Taxol & Herc. (Tolerated well)
36 weeks Herceptin (Could not complete one year due to decrease in MUGA score)
2 years of Arimidex, then three years of Femara
Finished Femara May 2011
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12-18-2006, 10:10 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: California
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Second Opinion
If it would make you feel better, you may want to get a second opinion. I'm not familiar with any of these meds. The more you know, the better, you need options...God bless you.
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1994 - rt brst, .lump, underarm node dissection,chemo+rad 1.2 cms, Grade 3.
28 nodes neg
Er,Pr, Positive HER2 status unknown
2003- Recur to rt lung.July 16 ( B-Day!)
Her2+++ Er,Pr, Negative
2003 - Aug04--Navelbine + Herceptin
2004- 2007--NED - Herceptin, only
2007 Feb-April Xeloda added to hereceptin
2007-May Back on Navelbine+Herceptin
2008-Feb-Mar 15 Ses Rad to Rt. Lung
2008- Oc 17 Add Tykerb to Herceptin
2009- June-- Discont Tykerb
2009 July 7--Current Taxol + Herceptin
2009 Dec--Discontinued treatment due to progression. Looking into cyberknife.
2010-Aug Accepted to TDM1, no SE, except liver count went up.
2010-2011 September got kicked out of the trial, due to a small spot found on lung.
2011- 2012 September thru early 2013 on Herceptin
2013- March Bone density shows small spot on 5th rib.
2013 - April 4th appt with onc. will post after discussing course of treatment.
2013-March-April Cyber knife to brain and radiation to rib. Chest --base line before chemo-CT-Scan stable for lung issue. CA2729 Normal.
2013 April Herceptin- TDMI
2013 Sept Herceptin + Perjeta . CA2729 within normal range. Brain and Pet scans October 31st. will post results.
2013 October Brain MRI- mixed response. Will see Onc/rad on Halloween.
2013 October/November Brain-MRI nothing new. Repeat MRI next year in May.
2013 December Continue Herceptin and Perjeta. Stable at the moment.
2014 February Brain MRI -clear!
2014 January Added Taxotere to Perjeta+Herceptin.
2014 March Stopped chemo-chest ct-scan next.
2014- March Scans shows tumor's larger, CA2729 higher. Discontinue Herceptin.
2014 April Perjeta+ Halaven
2014 April CA2729 went down 60 points after one cycle. Cough does not want to go away.
2014 June Continue on Perjeta + Halaven-- no more cough. Stable
2014 June Back on Herceptin + abraxane
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12-18-2006, 11:17 PM
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Location: Central Coast, CA
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Jenna,
Sorry you are having to deal with this again. You asked for advice, and I guess you can tell where people stand on this question!
You also asked for similar experiences. I had a similar experience: initial diagnosis of DCIS, mastectomy, dirty margins, reexcision. I was not offerred chemo or rads, and at the time of my diag, they did not even test DCIS for ER/PR/Her2. Two years later, I had a recurrence to my liver. I'm not saying that would happen to you - remember, 99% of DCIS does not recur. But that was my experience. Although I prefer to look forward, I guess part of me will always wonder if things might have gone differently.
You are fortunate to have doctors willing to treat this aggressively. There is more known about this now - in fact there were several posters at San Antonio dealing with the question of how to predict which DCIS is likely to recur. I haven't unpacked any of my "stuff", but ask your oncologist about this.
A second opinion is worthwhile. In the end, you will have to make the decision based on the best information you can get. Of course I'm biased, but if it was me with my 20/20 hindsight, I'd go for confronting this aggressively.
good luck with your decision
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Chris in Scotts Valley
June 2002 extensive hi grade DCIS (pre-cancer-stage 0, clean sentinal node) Mastectomy/implant - no chemo, rads. "cured?"
9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
08/08 NED! It's Working! Continue on TDM1
02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
12/10 Scans not clear....4/11 Scans suggest progression 6/11 progression confirmed in liver
07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
12/11 Begin MM302 Phase I trial - bust:(
03/12 3rd times the charm? AKT trial
5/12 Scan shows reduction! 7/12 More reduction!!!!
8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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12-20-2006, 01:46 PM
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#26
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: france
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I'd go for the chemo and radiation. treat it aggressively.
good luck
sarah
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12-22-2006, 06:01 AM
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#27
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 5
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Decision Made After Reoccurance!
Hey guys - Thank you all for your opinion on my reoccurance. I thought I'd share some important information with you all regarding my decision to receive chemotherapy or not.
I went to the University of Chicago - for my second opinion - I met with Dr. Fumi Ogalpade (she specializes in young women's breast cancer & genes) .... At any rate, their multidisciplinary board reviewed my case and is recommending radiation only. In their words if I did chemo it would be "overkill"....
Here is the difference. My tumor was .66 mm (most of which was DCIS) .1mm was invasive ductal cancer. No Node Involvement. Bone Scans Negative. CT scan Negative. Clean Margins. Although this was a reoccurance the area that was invasive was so small therer is no reason to do chemo (the risks outweigh the benefits in my case.)
My previous doctor recommended a/c taxol and herception .... She had not performed the ER- test, FISH test, IHC test until I asked her to perform it. She just assumed since I was young she'd give me the big guns -without really studying my case. Obviously, I felt unsure of all of this and did a lot of research ... and got my second opinion from a comprehensive cancer center.
At any rate, I want to encourage everyone of you to seek second opinions if you are unsure of your treatment plan... It is worth the extra cost and the extra time it involves! Doctors can differ in their opinions. In my case, the difference was extreme.
At any rate, I hope my story will inspire some of you who are unsure of your treatment plan to ask questions. Not everyone who is young should receive chemotherapy.... The risks are tremendous.
Thanks for your well wishes.
Jenna Hill
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12-22-2006, 06:25 AM
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#28
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: northshore suburb of chicago
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I am happy you got another opinion and that you are more comfortable with it. I am a firm believer in getting other opinions and in some cases more than one to satisfy oneself that you fully investigated all options and became more knowleagable, enough so to make an informed decision based on all opinions. All the best to you.
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~Rina~
Dx:3/06 had a lumpectomy April 19, 2006
Her2+ er/pr- Stage I Grade 3 tumor size 1.4 cm, node negative
AC 4 dense doses
34 radiation treatments including booster doses
receiving herceptin every 3 weeks since late August 2006 for 12 months
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12-22-2006, 07:43 AM
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#29
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,380
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Jeanna,
Your experience is a great lesson to all of us. Thanks closing the loop here. I am glad for you that you now have a treatment plan and a path you believe in. Good luck to you, and happy holidays.
Hopeful
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