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Old 01-18-2007, 01:56 PM   #1
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passed my check-up

Yesterday I went for another post treatment checkup and everything was good. I'd lost 19 pounds in 3 months with a lot of hard work. My onc doesn't do scans unless something is there, so I haven't had any of those done. And my ca27-29 was the lowest it has been since dxd 9-04. I was happy with it all, especially the weight loss. How do you explain to someone what the tumor markers are? Do all types of cancer have markers?
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:06 PM   #2
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www.labtestsonline.org

Juanita -

The above mention website really helps put scans and tests into laymens terms. Here is an excerpt from this site on tumor markers:

What are they?
Tumor markers are substances, usually proteins, that are produced by the body in response to cancer growth or by the cancer tissue itself. Some tumor markers are specific, while others are seen in several cancer types. Many of the well-known markers are also seen in non-cancerous conditions. Consequently, these tumor markers are not diagnostic for cancer.

There are only a handful of well-established tumor markers that are being routinely used by physicians. Many other potential markers are still being researched. Some marker tests cause great excitement when they are first discovered but, upon further investigation, prove to be no more useful than markers already in use.

The goal is to be able to screen for and diagnose cancer early, when it is the most treatable and before it has had a chance to grow and spread. So far, the only tumor marker to gain wide acceptance as a general screen is the Prostate Specific Antigen (PSA) for men. Other markers are either not specific enough (too many false positives, leading to expensive and unnecessary follow-up testing) or they are not elevated early enough in the disease process.

Some people are at a higher risk for particular cancers because they have inherited a genetic mutation. While not considered tumor makers, there are tests that look for these mutations in order to estimate the risk of developing a particular type of cancer. BRCA1 and BRCA2 are examples of gene mutations related to an inherited risk of breast cancer and ovarian cancer. For more information, see our overview on genetic testing.

Why are they done?
Tumor markers are not diagnostic in themselves. A definitive diagnosis of cancer is made by looking at biopsy specimens (e.g., of tissue) under a microscope. However, tumor markers provide information that can be used to:

*Screen. Most markers are not suited for general screening, but some may be used in those with a strong family history of a particular cancer. In the case of genetic markers, they may be used to help predict risk in family members. PSA testing for prostate cancer is an example.

*Help diagnose. In a patient that has symptoms, tumor markers may be used to help identify the source of the cancer, such as CA-125 for ovarian cancer, and to help differentiate it from other conditions. Remember that tumor markers cannot diagnose cancer themselves but aid in this process.

*Stage. If a patient does have cancer, tumor marker elevations can be used to help determine how far the cancer has spread into other tissues and organs.

*Determine prognosis. Some tumor markers can be used to help doctors determine how aggressive a cancer is likely to be.

*Guide Treatment. Some tumor markers, such as Her2/neu, will give doctors information about what treatments their patients may respond to (for instance, breast cancer patients who are Her2/neu positive are more likely to respond to Herceptin treatment).

*Monitor Treatment. Tumor markers can be used to monitor the effectiveness of treatment, especially in advanced cancers. If the marker level drops, the treatment is working; if it stays elevated, adjustments are needed. The information must be used with care, however. CEA, for instance, is used to monitor colorectal cancer, but not every colorectal cancer patient will have elevated levels of CEA.

*Determine recurrence. Currently, one of the biggest uses for tumor markers is to monitor for cancer recurrence. If a tumor marker is elevated before treatment, low after treatment, and then begins to rise over time, then it is likely that the cancer is returning. (If it remains elevated after surgery, then chances are that not all of the cancer was removed.)

Hope this helps
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:11 PM   #3
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Tumor markers table

This same website has a very handy Tumor Markers Table listing the markers, types of cancer associated, what else can cause a rise in these merkers (like pregnancy!) how the markers are used and sample type.


You can see it at: http://www.labtestsonline.org/unders.../glance-3.html

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Old 01-18-2007, 02:11 PM   #4
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Cool By the way...

Congrats on the GREAT news!

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Old 01-18-2007, 06:28 PM   #5
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Juanita
Congratulations on the great news....celbrate, you deserve it!
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Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
Pericardial Window Surgery to Drain Pericardial Effusion
7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
10/6/10 Begin my miracle drug, TDM-1
Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
2/2011 I CELEBRATE my 9 YEAR MARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
2/8/2012 Gemzar stopped, Continue Herceptin
2/20/2012 Begin Tomo Radiation to Neck Nodes
2/21/2012 I CELEBRATE 10 YEARS
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:14 PM   #6
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It helps the rest of us when we hear good news. It gives us hope to live our lives to the fullest. So keep us updated and enjoy the good news. hugs, Sandy
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thoracentesis x 2 left lung fluid shows cancer cells
Port removal (4 years) with power port replacement
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:18 AM   #7
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great news juanita

I'm so happy for you, keep up the great work and keep sharing your news with us!
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Old 01-21-2007, 10:18 AM   #8
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Smile Just Love Your Good News!

Good for you! Whatever your doing .....keep doing it!

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Old 01-21-2007, 11:54 AM   #9
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Mel,
Thank you for the information you posted regarding tumour markers. It was a most timely post, since I have been asking myself whether or not I should be having my markers checked.
I recently completed a year of IDC treatment--AC & Taxol chemo, 25 rads and started Herceptin and Tamoxifen last Nov. So I have been wondering if the markers are good prognostic indicators in early stage BC, or if they are predict/detect recurrence? I also wonder if they would be relevant without a baseline, as I haven't had them measured pre-op or pre-treatment. I see my onc next week for a three month follow-up and will ask her these questions. Other than checking the markers, I see no other way to monitor response to treatment (my oncs don't do routine scans, X-rays, U.S., etc, unless medically warranted. When I ask, "How do we know the treatments worked?", they reply, "When you die from something else.")
As a P.S., may I add my heartfelt condolences regarding Lisa. I have followed your posts and feel your loss. You have been a wonderful advocate for her, and have helped and supported many of us at this site--thank you. You were very blessed to have each other, and we here are blessed to know you.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:15 AM   #10
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Congratulations on the good news. Keep up the good work. I agree that you are giving hope to the rest of us.
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