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12-03-2009, 09:48 PM
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Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
Hi everyone,
I had my original biopsied tissue retested for its ER status and I found out that I am 30 % ER+ (2+) instead of 5 %. My oncologist had already put me on Tamoxifen as soon as I finished my radiation treatment, and I'm glad that she did so.
My question is whether I should consider adding Zoladex shots to my treatment. I finished chemo at the end of July, had my surgery in August, started radiation in September, and had a period in October (hasn't returned yet on the Tamoxifen). I'm also on Herceptin and I've had 7 infusions so far (one before my surgery).
Can anyone point me to studies/papers that have looked at the combination of Tamoxifen/ovarian suppression vs. Tamoxifen alone for pre-menopausal women (and especially HER-2+ ones?) My oncologist mentioned the SOFT trial but that is still ongoing.
What is the latest recommendation on ovarian suppression with Taxomifen?
Thanks!!!
Marcia (bejuce)
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ER+ (30%)/PR-/HER-2+, stage 3
Diagnosed on 02/18/09 at 38 with a huge 12x10 cm tumor, after a 6 month delay. Told I was too young and had no risk factors. Found swollen node during breastfeeding.
March-August 09: neo-adjuvant chemo, part of a trial at Stanford (4 DD A/C, 4 Taxotere with daily Tykerb), loading dose of Herceptin
08/12/09 - bye bye boobies (bilateral mastectomy)
08/24/09 - path report shows 100 % success in breast tissue (no cancer there, yay!), 98 % success in lymphatic invasion, and even though 11/13 nodes were still positive, > 95 % of the tumor in them was killed. Hoping for the best!
September-October 09: rads with daily Xeloda
02/25/10 - Cholecystectomy
05/27/10 - Bone scan clear
06/14/10 - CT scan clear, ovarian cyst found
07/27/10 - Done with Herceptin!
02/15/11 - MVA-BN HER-2 vaccine trial
03/15/11 - First CA 15-3: 12.7 and normal, yay!
10/01/11 - Bone scan and CT scan clear, fatty liver found
now on Tamoxifen and Aspirin
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12-04-2009, 12:33 PM
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.o...stract/9/5/507
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-breast-cancer
http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/c...ull/95/24/1811
I attached some articles for you to review. At SABCS 2007, this was a hot, hot topic and alot of posters and presentations saying it is better to suppress the ovaries and give Tamoxifen or an AI. Theoretically, if you are truly suppressed, then you could take an AI versus Tamoxifen as you truly would be deemed postmenopausal.
There are also the BRCA studies of having the ovaries propholactically removed (as BRCA mutations cause breast and ovarian cancers). They found that BRCA 1 women who removed the ovaries first and then just did surveillance on the breasts got far less bc's than BRCA 1 women who did not remove the ovaries.
There are studies (old time prior to "abalation drugs" that state that ovary removal reduces new bc rate by 68% but it studied rate of a new bc not recurrence rate of bc.
There is alot of info out there and it is a hotly researched topic. I think the overall concensus is that ablation does improve the odds overall (and that does make sense).
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Kind regards
Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
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12-04-2009, 02:23 PM
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
Thank you, Becky! My oncologist had mentioned Dr. Davidson's work and this is exactly the article I need to read. I'll review and think about whether to go the ovarian suppression route.
Thanks!
Marcia (bejuce)
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ER+ (30%)/PR-/HER-2+, stage 3
Diagnosed on 02/18/09 at 38 with a huge 12x10 cm tumor, after a 6 month delay. Told I was too young and had no risk factors. Found swollen node during breastfeeding.
March-August 09: neo-adjuvant chemo, part of a trial at Stanford (4 DD A/C, 4 Taxotere with daily Tykerb), loading dose of Herceptin
08/12/09 - bye bye boobies (bilateral mastectomy)
08/24/09 - path report shows 100 % success in breast tissue (no cancer there, yay!), 98 % success in lymphatic invasion, and even though 11/13 nodes were still positive, > 95 % of the tumor in them was killed. Hoping for the best!
September-October 09: rads with daily Xeloda
02/25/10 - Cholecystectomy
05/27/10 - Bone scan clear
06/14/10 - CT scan clear, ovarian cyst found
07/27/10 - Done with Herceptin!
02/15/11 - MVA-BN HER-2 vaccine trial
03/15/11 - First CA 15-3: 12.7 and normal, yay!
10/01/11 - Bone scan and CT scan clear, fatty liver found
now on Tamoxifen and Aspirin
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03-04-2010, 06:17 PM
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Location: "Love never fails."
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
Didn't remember if I had posted this '2nd opinion' from my 2nd Sister-in-law's breast cancer oncologist. I had e-mailed him about my planned hysterectomy/oophorectomy in January. And here was his reply:
Since your breast cancer is ER (+), although the percentage of ER is 5-10%. Hormonal therapy with tamoxifen or AI (arimidex) is the treatment of choice.
The disadvantage of tamoxifen: Uterine myoma, uterine carcinoma...etc. but less osteroporosis.
The disadvantage of arimidex (AI analogue): severe osteroporosis..
Conventionally, chemotherapy will destroy the ovarian functions, oophorectomy, therefore, is not necessroy.
But if you still have menstration indicating the normal ovary function, oophorectomy and hysterectomy (to avoid uterine tumors) followed by
tamoxifen treatment are treatments of choice.
According to your questions below, my answer is:
If you have still menstration now, surgical removal of ovary and uterus is advised, provided chemotherapy did not destroy ovary functions.
Both tamoxifen for 5 years and tamoxifen 2 years followed by arimidex 3 years are fine for your condition.
Please remember that the above-mentioned information is my 2nd opinion.
You should consult your attending doctor for final decision..
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05-28-2010, 10:28 PM
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
I got two medical opinions (two different oncologist) when I was debating whether to take Tamoxifen or just do ovarian suppression (Zolodex). Both told me that T and Z would give me an equivalent benefit, but that doing both together would give me a slightly greater benefit.
Good luck.
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05-29-2010, 08:07 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Haarlem, the Netherlands
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
I did Zoladex and Arimidex for 5 years and didn't have too much trouble with side effects.
Some more info can be found at: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/704792
Love
Jacqueline
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Diagnosed age 44, January 2004, 0.7 cm IDC & DCIS. Stage 1, grade 3, ER/PR pos. HER2 pos. clear margins, no nodes. SNB. 35 rads. On Zoladex and Armidex since Dec. 2004. Stopped Zoladex/Arimidex sept 2009 Still taking mistletoe shots (CAM therapy) Doing fine.
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07-03-2010, 07:47 AM
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Re: Ovarian Suppresion for Pre-Menopausal Women - What is the Latest?
Well, ladies, after my period in October, I got one in January and another one yesterday. Is this spacing between them normal for someone on Tamoxifen? As you can tell, I have not done anything on the ovarian suppression/ablation route...
Thanks!!
__________________
ER+ (30%)/PR-/HER-2+, stage 3
Diagnosed on 02/18/09 at 38 with a huge 12x10 cm tumor, after a 6 month delay. Told I was too young and had no risk factors. Found swollen node during breastfeeding.
March-August 09: neo-adjuvant chemo, part of a trial at Stanford (4 DD A/C, 4 Taxotere with daily Tykerb), loading dose of Herceptin
08/12/09 - bye bye boobies (bilateral mastectomy)
08/24/09 - path report shows 100 % success in breast tissue (no cancer there, yay!), 98 % success in lymphatic invasion, and even though 11/13 nodes were still positive, > 95 % of the tumor in them was killed. Hoping for the best!
September-October 09: rads with daily Xeloda
02/25/10 - Cholecystectomy
05/27/10 - Bone scan clear
06/14/10 - CT scan clear, ovarian cyst found
07/27/10 - Done with Herceptin!
02/15/11 - MVA-BN HER-2 vaccine trial
03/15/11 - First CA 15-3: 12.7 and normal, yay!
10/01/11 - Bone scan and CT scan clear, fatty liver found
now on Tamoxifen and Aspirin
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