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Old 08-11-2006, 10:38 PM   #1
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Here it is: Circulating tumor cells associated with bad px in EARLY breast cancer

previous articles were only with metastatic breast cancer

Will have to see if the CELLSEARCH test I referred to in my previous post is the same technology as used in this article to find CTCs

This certain seems like an improvement to--wait until you have bone pain from fracture or a headache before we look to see if it is coming/has come back!


10 August 2006
Circulating tumor cells predict poor node-negative prognosis
Circulating tumor cells (CTCs) may be used to identify patients with node-negative (N0) breast cancer who are at high risk of a poor outcome, say Greek researchers who believe the prognostic factor could be used to guide treatment decisions.

Previously, they showed that the presence of peripheral blood CTCs positive for cytokeratin (CK)-19 mRNA is an independent prognostic factor for recurrent disease and poor survival in patients with stage I and II operable breast cancer.

To investigate further, the team used a real-time polymerase chain reaction assay to assess for CK-19 mRNA-positive cells in blood samples from 167 N0 breast cancer patients who had undergone surgery but were chemotherapy-naïve. The participants were followed-up for a median of 32 months, during which time they received a range of adjuvant systemic therapies.

In all, 21.6% of patients were positive for the CTCs, Vassilis Georgoulias (University General Hospital of Heraklion, Crete) and colleagues report.

Interestingly, the researchers found that patients with CTCs were significantly more likely to be positive for human epidermal growth factor 2 (HER2/neu) expression than those without the cells (36.1% vs 19.1%).

No significant correlation was detected between CK-19 mRNA-positive cells and other patient or tumor characteristics such as age, menopausal status, histology, size, and hormone receptor status.

However, multivariate analysis indicated that CK-19 mRNA-positivity predicted both early clinical relapse and breast cancer-related mortality in the women.

In particular, CTCs predicted reduced disease-free survival (hazard ratio [HR]=26.32), along with estrogen receptor-negative status (HR=5.54), grade III disease (HR=3.79), and premenopausal status (HR=4.64). Overall survival was predicted by CK19 mRNA-positivity alone, with a HR of 17.94.

Writing in the Journal of Clinical Oncology, the team says that the development of techniques to measure disseminated tumor cells in blood rather than bone marrow "opens the way to further investigate important questions such as whether the detection of CTCs should be performed in all patients at the time of primary diagnosis to identify high-risk patients, or whether CTCs detection at diagnosis should modify the adjuvant therapeutic strategy, or finally, whether the detection of CTCs during the administration of adjuvant treatment would allow the development of secondary adjuvant theapeutic strategies."

The authors conclude: "The study and evaluation of the clinical relevance of CTCs opens the possibility of early and tailored treatment interventions for patients with persisting occult tumor cells after systemic adjuvant treatment."



J Clin Oncol 2006; 24: 3756–3762

http://www.jco.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/23/3756
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Old 08-12-2006, 09:35 AM   #2
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great-
my dr did a cell search on me after I completed chemo and 1 year of herceptin that showed CTC, I was stage 2. He kept me on herceptin and all follow up tests have been zero, however now I feel like I have been handed a death sentence. I am so tired of this disease.
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Sorry, I hope it does not sound like I am shooting the messenger, I am just feeling a bit down.
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Old 08-12-2006, 10:38 AM   #3
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I grind on like an old record, but if you have not given it any thought do have a look at the omega three six posts.

There is a huge amount of reseach suggesting low levels of DHA may be linked to depression.

Also please see the posts on fructose ( purified as in sweetened used in drinks etc as against that in whole fruit which is OK ), which I have just started reading about as part of trying to get the vaugest understanding as to what influences fat metabolism oxidation and storage. An article I have just read descirbes it as a "modern epidemic...frightful consequences to the health of humans worldwide" and from the little I have read I do not beleive that this article, which appears to be written by women, is exagerating.

Here the link for it. A good way of keeping the mind occupied - I am still re re reading it tring to understand it!!!

http://www.pubmedcentral.gov/article...medid=15723702

Fructose, insulin resistance, and metabolic dyslipidemia
Heather Basciano,1 Lisa Federico,1 and Khosrow Adeli 1



From my own experience it takes the edge off the grey days, make colours a bit brighter etc.

I would send you a row of smileys but have no idea how to do it.

I hope the sun flowers butterflys and bees come back out soon.

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Old 08-12-2006, 12:03 PM   #4
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Would the test help now?

So, even though I finished treatment a year ago June, (just on Arimidex, no Herceptin), is this a test I could ask my onc to do? Would there be any purpose in knowing if I have CTC's?
I was only Stage I, no nodes.
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Old 08-12-2006, 08:26 PM   #5
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Same question as Montana. Is this a test I could have done now? Was stage IIb or IIIa (two docs differed) and triple positive. Might this be a factor for continued herceptin?
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Old 08-13-2006, 03:29 AM   #6
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this is just one study and the answer is---they don't know yet!

But I don't think it can hurt to be tested and I don't think the test costs that much more than tumor markers. Why don't you bring it up with your oncologist --most will probably say "we don't have data to support that yet"

You can retort: does that mean for your wife/mother/sister/daughter you would not do anything that they do not yet have data to support?

There is so much more we don't know about this disease than what we know--we must always "push the envelope"
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