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Old 03-27-2008, 02:31 PM   #1
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Question Problems with Femara and tamoxifen

I don't know how common this is but I just thought I would see. I couldn't take the Femara because of the severe mood swings it was causing. So I started Tamoxifen. Better for my bones, etc. My arm on the mastectomy side ached for months, finally getting to the point that it was interfering with my sleep and other activities. Then part of my hand started swelling. First I was told that it was not lymphedema, then that it was. Then in one of the very tender areas I developed phlebitis. I looked like I had been scalded. I quit taking the Tamoxifen for a couple of weeks because it can cause phlebitis. The swelling in my hand and arm got better and the pain went away. I started taking it again and the pain and swelling started coming back. Stopped it and it got better. The oncologist switched me to Arimedix this week. I had just assumed that the pain and swelling were from the surgery. I wonder how may people have had that happen and not known what was causing it. Now I am hoping that I have no bad side effects from the Arimedix. I have no idea what my options are left if I cannot take this one.
I am still getting Herceptin every three weeks. I have hip pain and some other side effects from this but I am looking forward to an end to it in July. That makes it bearable. Has anyone chosen not to take the the estrogen blocking drugs because of side effects?

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Jan. 26- mammogram and ultrasound- suspicious lump
Mid-February- lumpectomy, infiltrating ductal carcinoma ~4.5 cm and a 1 cm DCIS, did not get clear margins, did not check lymph nodes
ER+/PR+, her2 +++, nuclear grade 3 of 3
February 20-PET scan showed something on liver. No biopsy.
March- Started carboplatin, herceptin, taxol on a four week cycle
May 3- Pet scan, with intent to do a biopsy, found nothing, liver or breast- no biopsy because there is nothing to biopsy
June 21- new onc, very concerned that there had been no biopsy,
June 18th-CAT scan, bone scan-negative
August 7th - Brain MRI-negative
August 9th- mastectomy, all pathology negative
January 2008 still NED! New oncologist -herceptin for full year after chemo- until July, and tamoxifen---negative scans since May '07
July 2008-Finished Herceptin!
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Old 03-27-2008, 04:27 PM   #2
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Leslie,

Sorry to hear about your side effects. I've been on Tamoxifen for 8 months with only minimal hot flashes and no other side effects. My doctor switched me to Arimidex after checking my hormone levels. I started taking it two weeks ago and I've been having a difficult time withoverheating---hot-sweaty-flashes to the point that my hair, as well as. my face and neck gets dripping wet . I went to see my breast surgeon today to get her opinion on the problems I am currently having with my implant (capsular contracture). Although not what I went for, she thinks I have lymphedema... When I had problems with my arm last year, I had physical therapy and it really healped. Keep that arm moving. Make sure you follow the do's and don'ts for lymphedema. (I posted it on this site some time ago. Let me know if you can't find it).

Hopefully the Arimidex will do the trick for you. I'm hoping that our side-effects will subside within the next few weeks.

Keep us posted. My prayers and wellness wishes to you!

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Sep06-Jan07...Mediport. Chemo: AC x 4, T x 4
Dec06-Nov07...Herceptin
Feb12,2007...Surg MRM Left & SM Right, reconstruct w/expanders
Mar07-Jun07...Saline Exp
Jun07...Start Tamoxifen
Jun07-Aug07...Rad x 25
Jun07-Oct07...Persistent fevers-unknown origin
Jun07-Nov07...PT for Severe PMPS & Capsular Contracture
Nov07...Surg Capsulectomy, Gel Implants, PMPS pain gone instantly.
Feb08...NED 1st CANCERVERSARY!!!!!
Feb08...2 months post surgery Caps Cont again :(
Mar08...Stop Tamoxifen. Start Arimidex.
Apr08...Sudden high fever, Hosp ICU 10 days, staph infect, emerg surg, implants removed. Outpt IVantibiotics Daily x 6 weeks
Feb11...NED 5th CANCERVERSARY!!!!!
Feb12...NED 6th CANCERVERSARY!!!!!
Aug12...Spotting. Surg=D&C
Sep12...STAGE IV = RARE BC METS TO UTERUS ILC ER+/PR+/HER2-Negative) (Different BC than originally diagnosed = IDC ER+/PR+/HER2+).
Sep12...Stop Arimidex. Start Afinitor & Aromasin.
Jan13...MRI = no progression no reduction
Apr13...Progression. Stop Afinitor & Aromasin.
Apr13...Start Chemo: Taxol & Carboplatin.
Nov13...Scans & Pelvic 95+% Reduction. Nueropathy>Stop chemo start Fareston.
Jan14...PET scan = no progression stable.
May14...Pelvic > Bleeding & cramps. TMs up.
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Old 03-29-2008, 06:25 AM   #3
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Leslie, I have had bad side effects from arimidex and aromasin. Caused severe joint pain to where I could not function in my job. I was the started on tamoxifen and developed swelling and a rash, stopped it and started again, same problem. Even though my bio says I am still on the tamoxifen, I have not taken it since Jan. I see my onc. on Tuesday and I have decided not to try the femera as they are all about the same. Quality of life is very important to me. I am 53 and felt like I was 90 on those meds. My bone density went from high end of normal to osteoporosis in 4 months time. That can't be good. I know they are supposed to help us ER/PR pos women, but I am very active and don't want to feel that bad all the time. Best of luck to you!
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Diag 10/2006-high grade invasive ductal carcinoma- mastectomy L breast
2.5 cm tumor ER/PR pos-Her2+++
4 rounds A/C, 4 rounds Taxol
Herceptin every 3 weeks until Jan. 2008
6/18/07 prophylatic mastectomy R breast
8/2007 started aromasin/stopped arimidex (side effects)
12/07 stopped aromasin due to side effects (now what?)
Finished herceptin 1/8/08
started tamoxifen for 2 years then will switch to femera
allergic to tamoxifen started femera 4/2008
June 20, 2008 portacath removed
Learnig to live life to the fullest!
Stopped Femera due to side effects
July 28, 2008 start trial for breast cancer vaccine
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Old 03-30-2008, 01:00 PM   #4
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curious if those of you that had reactions to the tamoxifen had the blood test that checked for the enzyme that helps metabolize tamoxifen. I don't know whether there is a connection between those particular side affects or not.
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Ruth dx 05/01/07 (age 50) Filipino
multifocal, several tumors .5 -2.5 cm, large area
Breast MRI showed 2 enlarged nodes, not palpable
100%ER+, 95%PR+, HER2+++
6x pre-surgery TCH chemo finished 9/15/7 Dramatic tumor shrinkage
1 year Herceptin till 6/08
MRM 10/11/07, SNB: 0/4 nodes + Path: tumors reduced to only a few "scattered cells"
now 50% ER+, PR- ???
Rads finished 1/16/08
Added Tamoxifen,
Finished Herceptin 05/08
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Old 03-30-2008, 05:48 PM   #5
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I have not had the blood test to check for the enzyme that metabloizes tamoxifen.
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Debbie in North Carolina
Diag 10/2006-high grade invasive ductal carcinoma- mastectomy L breast
2.5 cm tumor ER/PR pos-Her2+++
4 rounds A/C, 4 rounds Taxol
Herceptin every 3 weeks until Jan. 2008
6/18/07 prophylatic mastectomy R breast
8/2007 started aromasin/stopped arimidex (side effects)
12/07 stopped aromasin due to side effects (now what?)
Finished herceptin 1/8/08
started tamoxifen for 2 years then will switch to femera
allergic to tamoxifen started femera 4/2008
June 20, 2008 portacath removed
Learnig to live life to the fullest!
Stopped Femera due to side effects
July 28, 2008 start trial for breast cancer vaccine
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:34 PM   #6
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I am on Aromasin and I get what I would describe as my core heating up, just like a furnace. The heat tends to go from my middle to my head. Very uncomfortable. I also have very bad finger joint pain, especially my right hand which is not the bc side. My fingers joints are so swollen they pop. I am afraid my middle finger is going to get stuck, it's so bad. I really need to do something about this.

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Old 04-01-2008, 02:07 PM   #7
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Debbie,

It would be interesting to have your doc run this test. If it comes out "negative" that means tamoxifen is not appropriate for you anyhow. It's a newish test but pretty important in mho.

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Ruth dx 05/01/07 (age 50) Filipino
multifocal, several tumors .5 -2.5 cm, large area
Breast MRI showed 2 enlarged nodes, not palpable
100%ER+, 95%PR+, HER2+++
6x pre-surgery TCH chemo finished 9/15/7 Dramatic tumor shrinkage
1 year Herceptin till 6/08
MRM 10/11/07, SNB: 0/4 nodes + Path: tumors reduced to only a few "scattered cells"
now 50% ER+, PR- ???
Rads finished 1/16/08
Added Tamoxifen,
Finished Herceptin 05/08
NOW is the time to appreciate life to the fullest.
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Old 04-01-2008, 06:18 PM   #8
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Terri, I had my first 3 month check up with my onc today and they have decided I should try femara. I agreed to try it but told her if it interfered with quality of life like the others I would go off it. I will try anything once. Thanks for the input about the test for tamoxifen.
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Diag 10/2006-high grade invasive ductal carcinoma- mastectomy L breast
2.5 cm tumor ER/PR pos-Her2+++
4 rounds A/C, 4 rounds Taxol
Herceptin every 3 weeks until Jan. 2008
6/18/07 prophylatic mastectomy R breast
8/2007 started aromasin/stopped arimidex (side effects)
12/07 stopped aromasin due to side effects (now what?)
Finished herceptin 1/8/08
started tamoxifen for 2 years then will switch to femera
allergic to tamoxifen started femera 4/2008
June 20, 2008 portacath removed
Learnig to live life to the fullest!
Stopped Femera due to side effects
July 28, 2008 start trial for breast cancer vaccine
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Old 04-02-2008, 06:45 AM   #9
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Did you specifically pick Femara against arimadex and aromasin? I'm curious, as I suspect the onc will recommend this switch to an AI for Ruth eventually.
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Ruth dx 05/01/07 (age 50) Filipino
multifocal, several tumors .5 -2.5 cm, large area
Breast MRI showed 2 enlarged nodes, not palpable
100%ER+, 95%PR+, HER2+++
6x pre-surgery TCH chemo finished 9/15/7 Dramatic tumor shrinkage
1 year Herceptin till 6/08
MRM 10/11/07, SNB: 0/4 nodes + Path: tumors reduced to only a few "scattered cells"
now 50% ER+, PR- ???
Rads finished 1/16/08
Added Tamoxifen,
Finished Herceptin 05/08
NOW is the time to appreciate life to the fullest.
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:22 PM   #10
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I am in total agreement about quality of life. So far the arimidex is not too bad. I have night sweats pretty bad and my hot flashes are worse but that is much better than phlebitis and pain to the point of not being able to use my right arm. My doctors have never mentioned anything about the test about metabolizing tamoxifen. I have decided that I will not continue these medications if they interfere too much with how I want to live my life. I may come to regret that decision later but if it comes down to enjoying life now or living through five years of severe discomfort for the hope of a longer life, I think I will choose life now. These are hard decisions for the ones who have to live with the side effects, not so hard for those who prescribe the medications. Living longer is not the most important thing from my perspective now, but if it comes down to it, I hope I don't have to make that decision. I tend to have a "full speed ahead and damn the consequences" attitude sometimes anyway. I wish I had answers but I am not sure there really are any except to do what you think is right in your circumstances. When my stepfather was very ill with lung cancer I had time to evaluate how far I would be willing to go to live longer and I came to the belief that quality of life was the most important thing. It is an easier decision to make when you are not the patient

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Jan. 26- mammogram and ultrasound- suspicious lump
Mid-February- lumpectomy, infiltrating ductal carcinoma ~4.5 cm and a 1 cm DCIS, did not get clear margins, did not check lymph nodes
ER+/PR+, her2 +++, nuclear grade 3 of 3
February 20-PET scan showed something on liver. No biopsy.
March- Started carboplatin, herceptin, taxol on a four week cycle
May 3- Pet scan, with intent to do a biopsy, found nothing, liver or breast- no biopsy because there is nothing to biopsy
June 21- new onc, very concerned that there had been no biopsy,
June 18th-CAT scan, bone scan-negative
August 7th - Brain MRI-negative
August 9th- mastectomy, all pathology negative
January 2008 still NED! New oncologist -herceptin for full year after chemo- until July, and tamoxifen---negative scans since May '07
July 2008-Finished Herceptin!
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