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Old 12-11-2005, 10:00 AM   #1
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joint pain from arimidex or from histerectomy

anyone experiencing joint pain from using arimidex or possibly from histerectomy. friend experiencing lots of pain and i am looking for options for her as to what to do to relieve the pain other than tylenol w/codiene or motrin. Antidotes from health food stores?
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Old 12-11-2005, 02:39 PM   #2
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These links don't directly answer the question but are generally related.

If you use the search engine on this sitehttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ you should find lots of trials by entering the substance name and breast cancer in the search box and see what comes up.

I searched black cohosh and breast cancer for example and this was the result. As usual from my very limited knowledge this is another huge subject and it may well be difficult to find absolute answers.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...+breast+cancer

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0413064628.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0509074102.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/n...ory_26734.html

ABSTRACT


Monday, September 5, 2005
An increasingly popular group of breast cancer drugs apparently has a downside that few are familiar with.
A review article in the September issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism attempts to heighten awareness about the effect of aromatase inhibitors on joint pain.
"The reason for the concern now is that they're becoming more popular, and I think they're going to be very widely used, and this is something we need to be concerned about," said Dr. David T.
Felson, principal author of the article and a professor of medicine at Boston University School of Medicine. "The medical community doesn't even know this exists. We're going to be seeing these women, and need to be familiar with this, otherwise women will suffer without knowing why."
Aromatase inhibitors are hormonal treatments for estrogen receptor-positive breast cancer. The drugs work by reducing estrogen levels in the body's tissue, and are already widely used to reduce recurrence rates in women with early-stage postmenopausal breast cancer. Experts feel they may also have a role to play in preventing breast cancer in women who are at high risk.
They are part of a larger group of estrogen-deprivation therapies that include tamoxifen. "It's only with estrogen deprivation that this occurs," Felson said of the joint pain.
Many also worry that the drugs are being overused, and that side effects are being downplayed.
"My impression is that the oncology community has jumped on this category of drugs in lieu of tamoxifen in a huge number of people much too quickly," said Dr. Steven Goldstein, a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at New York University School of Medicine. "When aromatase inhibitors first came out and were tested, it was stage 3 and 4 women. Survival was clearly better than with tamoxifen. Now they're giving it to all these women with stage 1 and stage 0 cancer, who are likely to be cured, and they have no long-term data."
In fact, the authors of the review stated, women treated with aromatase inhibitors often experienced joint pain and musculoskeletal aching, sometimes so severely they had to discontinue treatment. There is ample evidence to suggest that estrogen affects pain, the article stated.
For instance, many women have elevated pain thresholds when they are pregnant, a time when estrogen levels are high. Pain perception also fluctuates in women while they are menstruating. In clinical studies, women treated with aromatase inhibitors have shown higher rates of joint pain compared to women taking a placebo or tamoxifen, the review authors said.
For the most part, the authors reported, this pain has not been disabling although one study reported four women who had to discontinue treatment because of the pain. When the aromatase inhibitor was stopped, the pain went away.
Older women tend to have more of this kind of pain, suggesting that hormonal changes in the postmenopausal period have an effect.
And Asian women in the United States going through menopause apparently have lower estrogen levels than white women (this may be due to the fact that they have less fat tissue, a major source of estrogen).
At the same time, these Asian women seem to be more susceptible to "menopausal arthritis," the article stated.
A solution to the problem may prove elusive.
"I'm not sure what's to be done," Felson said. "Based on some of these studies, it's clear that anti-inflammatory medications are not going to be enough. This may be the main limiting factor in terms of ability to take these medications, which is a concern. I'm not sure how that plays out, but it is something we need to be familiar with."
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Old 12-11-2005, 03:59 PM   #3
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I should have included this before.

Its back to the old chestnut omega three and six. There is a lot of material on omega three and omega six and arthritis. Omega six fuels the eicosanoid pathway, and produces cox 2 amongst other things, which are recognised imflamatory agents. See the post on articles of interest "The importance of omega three and six to breast cancer".

It is arguably fundmental in nutritional terms to balance omega three and six intakes. For most diets this would include taking fish oils/ maybe flax, and cutting down strongly on sixes using olive oil where you might have used high six oils like soy corn sunflower safflower etc.

If you have not read the related posts on omega three, olive oil etc my personal view on balance would be that it should come at the top of the diet research list.

Here is a link that may help start you in that direction.

As ever you are best checking the links and doing some research yourself for your own circumstances.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...739&query_hl=2

ABSTRACT

1: Nutrition. 2005 Feb;21(2):131-6. Related Articles, Links
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Supplementation of fish oil and olive oil in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.

Berbert AA, Kondo CR, Almendra CL, Matsuo T, Dichi I.

Department of Department of Pathology, Londrina State University, Parana, Brazil.

OBJECTIVE: This study evaluated whether supplementation with olive oil could improve clinical and laboratory parameters of disease activity in patients who had rheumatoid arthritis and were using fish oil supplements. METHODS: Forty-three patients (34 female, 9 male; mean age = 49 +/- 19y) were investigated in a parallel randomized design. Patients were assigned to one of three groups. In addition to their usual medication, the first group (G1) received placebo (soy oil), the second group (G2) received fish oil omega-3 fatty acids (3 g/d), and the third group (G3) received fish oil omega-3 fatty acids (3 g/d) and 9.6 mL of olive oil. Disease activity was measured by clinical and laboratory indicators at the beginning of the study and after 12 and 24 wk. Patients' satisfaction in activities of daily living was also measured. RESULTS: There was a statistically significant improvement (P < 0.05) in G2 and G3 in relation to G1 with respect to joint pain intensity, right and left handgrip strength after 12 and 24 wk, duration of morning stiffness, onset of fatigue, Ritchie's articular index for pain joints after 24 wk, ability to bend down to pick up clothing from the floor, and getting in and out of a car after 24 wk. G3, but not G2, in relation to G1 showed additional improvements with respect to duration of morning stiffness after 12 wk, patient global assessment after 12 and 24 wk, ability to turn faucets on and off after 24 wk, and rheumatoid factor after 24 wk. In addition, G3 showed a significant improvement in patient global assessment in relation to G2 after 12 wk. CONCLUSIONS: Ingestion of fish oil omega-3 fatty acids relieved several clinical parameters used in the present study. However, patients showed a more precocious and accentuated improvement when fish oil supplements were used in combination with olive oil.

Publication Types:

* Clinical Trial
* Randomized Controlled Trial


PMID: 15723739 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Old 12-11-2005, 09:44 PM   #4
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I took Arimidex for only about 6 months before I quit due to arthritic-like pain. Fortunately, or not, my recurrences 3.5 years later were estrogen-negative, so it didn't matter that I quit.

I don't recall anything that helped the pain. Now, however, I have been taking Morphine Sulfate (15 mg.) once a day for the past 2 years. It controls any pain I have AND is actually better for the body than OTCs. I, too, believe in "natural/complementary" treatments and take several supplements recommended by a cancer-specializing nutritionist. Yet, none are for pain. The best I found for pain in that regard is acupuncture.

But make sure your friend talks to her onc. He/she should be able to recommend something.

Love and light,


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Old 12-12-2005, 08:26 AM   #5
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Hello Maria

I too have experienced some pretty substantial bone and joint pain on Arimidex. I'm also taking Herceptin so although the Doc's seem to think it's only the Arimidex causing the pain...who knows.

The best thing I've found is low impact resistance exercise. Walking is great but adding some gentle resistance training is even better. The trick is to do enough to impact pain but not to overdue which seems to make pain worse.

Getting the right supplements is also important. Calcium is crucial. It may not impact the pain but is needed to support bone density as the Arimidex can trigger bone loss.

I also take hot baths pretty frequently, use Alleve for minor aches and pains and when it seems like it's getting bad, I use percoset to stop the cycle of pain before it totally gets ahold of me.

Good Luck to your friend. She's lucky to have you to help her in her journey!

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Old 12-13-2005, 10:38 AM   #6
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I have too have experienced joint pain from Arimidex. I haven't been on it that long but there are mornings when I wake up and feel like I can't move until I stretch those muscles. One thing I have noticed and I don't know if there is any relationship, but on the days when I forget to take my calcium supplement at night ( I drink calcium fortified milk in the am and pm and take a 250mg supplement at night) I feel very achey in the morning. As I said, the calcium may have nothing to do with feeling better but I have really increased my calcium intake since beginning Arimidex. I also take Fosamax. Hope you feel better.

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Old 12-14-2005, 12:28 PM   #7
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I have been taking arimidex for 6 weeks and am experiencing pretty severe hip pain...
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