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10-18-2007, 11:54 AM
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Make time for a glass of Milk...
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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10-18-2007, 01:50 PM
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Interesting Jean. Thanks for sharing.
Mary Jo
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"Be still and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10
Dx. 6/24/05 age 45 Right Breast IDC ER/PR. Neg., - Her2+++ RB Mast. - 7/28/05 - 4 cm. tumor Margins clear - 1 microscopic cell 1 sent. node No Vasucular Invasion 4 DD A/C - 4 DD Taxol & Herceptin 1 full year of Herceptin received every 3 weeks 28 rads prophylactic Mast. 3/2/06
17 Years NED
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10-18-2007, 02:34 PM
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I just made time for a glass of milk AND chocolate cake!
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Bonnie
Post menopause
May 2007 Core biopsy, Rt breast
ER+, Pr-, HER2 +++, Grade 3
Ki-67: 90%
"suspicious area" left breast
Bilateral mastectomy, (NED on left) May 2007
Sentinel Node Neg
Stage 1, DCIS with microinvasion, 3 mm, mostly removed during the biopsy....
Femara (discontinued 7/07) Resumed 10/07
OncoType score 36 (July 07)
Began THC 7/26/07 (d/c taxol and carboplatin 10/07)
Began Herceptin alone 10/07
Finished Herceptin July /08
D/C Femara 4/10 (joint pain/trigger thumb!)
5/10 mistakenly dx with lung cancer. Middle rt lobe removed!
Aromasin started 5/10
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10-18-2007, 02:53 PM
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mmmm and yummy dsounds good Bonnie,
I should have thought of that.
Jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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10-18-2007, 04:00 PM
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Bonnie - you go girl.
Mary Jo
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"Be still and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10
Dx. 6/24/05 age 45 Right Breast IDC ER/PR. Neg., - Her2+++ RB Mast. - 7/28/05 - 4 cm. tumor Margins clear - 1 microscopic cell 1 sent. node No Vasucular Invasion 4 DD A/C - 4 DD Taxol & Herceptin 1 full year of Herceptin received every 3 weeks 28 rads prophylactic Mast. 3/2/06
17 Years NED
<>< Romans 8:28
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10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
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Milk>not For Everyone
Milk contains vitamin D2, a toxic form of D which is no help in utilizing the calcium contained in milk or dairy products. Vitamin D3 is the kind of D being talked about and researched in Breast and prostate cancer prevention. Milk is also full of hormones, pesticides, and can be very mucous causing. We consume more milk in this country than most, and yet our rates of osteoporosis and cancer are astounding. Just some food for thought and something to research even more. Love and peace, Vickie
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Love and Hugs, Vickie
Life's not about waiting for the storm to pass,
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
Feb 04 IBC IIIC/IV er-/pr- her2+++
3/04 TCH X4
7/ 04 MRM 9/04 Taxol/herceptin wkly 1 yr 33X rads
11/04 skin mets 33x rads,10/05 Avast/Herc. 11 mos.
8/ 06 PET mets lymphs, neck
9/ 06 Navelbine/herceptin
11/ 06 PET NED
2/ 07 skin mets, 4/07 Xeloda, 5/07 add Tykerb
2/ 08 Tykerb failed. Doxil /Herceptin 6 months
8/08 PET skin mets, 8/08 Abraxane/Avastin
11/ 08 PET prog., skin mets
1/09 PET/CT progress, 1/09 Ixempra, 2/09 add Xeloda and low dose Naltrexone
2/09 off Ixempra/Xeloda
3/09 navelbine/herc/cytoxin 4/09 PET shows regress.7/09 start Topotecan. Failed.
8/09 extensive mets rgt brst, back and torso. starting Pazopanib clinical trial.
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10-27-2007, 04:50 PM
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Milk>not For Everyone
Milk contains vitamin D2, a toxic form of D which is no help in utilizing the calcium contained in milk or dairy products. Vitamin D3 is the kind of D being talked about and researched in Breast and prostate cancer prevention. Milk is also full of hormones, pesticides, and can be very mucous causing. We consume more milk in this country than most, and yet our rates of osteoporosis and cancer are astounding. Just some food for thought and something to research even more. Love and peace, Vickie
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Love and Hugs, Vickie
Life's not about waiting for the storm to pass,
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
Feb 04 IBC IIIC/IV er-/pr- her2+++
3/04 TCH X4
7/ 04 MRM 9/04 Taxol/herceptin wkly 1 yr 33X rads
11/04 skin mets 33x rads,10/05 Avast/Herc. 11 mos.
8/ 06 PET mets lymphs, neck
9/ 06 Navelbine/herceptin
11/ 06 PET NED
2/ 07 skin mets, 4/07 Xeloda, 5/07 add Tykerb
2/ 08 Tykerb failed. Doxil /Herceptin 6 months
8/08 PET skin mets, 8/08 Abraxane/Avastin
11/ 08 PET prog., skin mets
1/09 PET/CT progress, 1/09 Ixempra, 2/09 add Xeloda and low dose Naltrexone
2/09 off Ixempra/Xeloda
3/09 navelbine/herc/cytoxin 4/09 PET shows regress.7/09 start Topotecan. Failed.
8/09 extensive mets rgt brst, back and torso. starting Pazopanib clinical trial.
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10-27-2007, 06:37 PM
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Vickie,
I have been buying organic milk and yogurt, (fat free) I would think this is safe?
Jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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10-27-2007, 07:59 PM
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Vit D
My oncologist has me on 2000 IU of Vit D. I take a combination of D3 and the rest of the D is found in my calcium and multivit.
He gave me an article saying researchers have found that raising vit D levels may prevent up to half of all breast and 2/3s of colorectal cancer cases in the US based on the results of 2 separate studies.
Maryanne
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*** MARYANNE *** aka HARRIECANARIE
1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen
2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy
2007:
6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
Femara
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10-27-2007, 08:03 PM
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D2 - ergocaliferol is not toxic and is the form that is found in food (natural food as well as fortified food). D3 is cholecaliferol is the D that is made by the skin when exposed to sunlight. Both forms are converted by the liver to D25 which still isn't an active form in the body. The body goes through many gyrations to get to the final molecule that is used to make strong bones and of course, the anti cancer properties etc. D3 is more easily converted by the liver than the D2 form. As we age, the ability to be able to convert D2 may be limited although the ability to convert either diminishes.
The amount of D2 in a glass of milk is only 50iu (with the RDA of D still only being 200iu). The reason osteoporesis is high even though we drink milk is clear - we do not get enough D (regardless of the form) and not because D2 is toxic as it is definitely not but this form needs more processing. Also, recommendations need to change so that we supplement 1000 -2000 iu during the winter months for those that live in the North. In the summer months, exposing the arms and legs 20 minutes every other day (with no sunscreen) will allow the body to make plenty of Vitamin D (5000iu+ if using this method).
Please ensure your facts are right when posting information.
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Kind regards
Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
NED 18 years!
Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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10-27-2007, 08:41 PM
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THANKS BECKY for the explanation ...I'm always thinking about you when I take the sun (20 minutes) or I take when I'm driving but only one arm and one leg dont know if that is enough because you said on one of the post that we need a least 40% of the body exposure ????
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Lily Diag April/06 5 months after give birth my son Max stage IV mets on liver (5 tumors) 38 year old, her2+++ and ER+PR+ from32 nodes 4 positives mastectomy right breast chemo before surgery herceptin/carboplatin/taxotere ,clear and surgery have radiation 20, `& then herceptin and tamoxifen NED until Aug/07 body only then 'n June 04-06-07 .1 lesion of 1.6 cm on cerebellum ...novalis ,open sugery 5m.m brain met again novalis, 4mm.In the liver. Waiting 2 months now 3 tumors enroll on T-MCC trial start first infusion Nov 5/07 at Dec 17 scan show one tumor despair the 2nd and 3th diminish Doc said great results until March/08 ct scan show progression 03-05-08 start tykerb & xeloda
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10-27-2007, 09:21 PM
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Becky what would we do without you?
Thank you so much for your detailed explanation. I could not understand
how milk and Vit. D could be harmful? I do use organic products and produce as much as possible to avoid chemicals and hormons. I also take
1,000 IU of vit D...and expose myself to the sun a few times a week.
Don't know how much I obtain during winter months...since just my face
would be exposed. I am doing the best I can - just like everyone else.
Always appreciate your posting!
Hugs to you!
Jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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10-29-2007, 05:39 PM
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"facts"
Thanks for your reply, Becky, but after calling my Dr. and asking him about vitamin D2 (as found in milk) he agreed that D2 can be toxic and has been in many cases. He prescribes D3 only and says that those interested in learning more about the effects of dairy and breast cancer might want to do alot of research. Milksucks.com has some interesting info and other websites listed that are easily accessed. "Facts" seem to change and are guided by the "fact" finders interests. Hope your day is going well Vickie
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Love and Hugs, Vickie
Life's not about waiting for the storm to pass,
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
Feb 04 IBC IIIC/IV er-/pr- her2+++
3/04 TCH X4
7/ 04 MRM 9/04 Taxol/herceptin wkly 1 yr 33X rads
11/04 skin mets 33x rads,10/05 Avast/Herc. 11 mos.
8/ 06 PET mets lymphs, neck
9/ 06 Navelbine/herceptin
11/ 06 PET NED
2/ 07 skin mets, 4/07 Xeloda, 5/07 add Tykerb
2/ 08 Tykerb failed. Doxil /Herceptin 6 months
8/08 PET skin mets, 8/08 Abraxane/Avastin
11/ 08 PET prog., skin mets
1/09 PET/CT progress, 1/09 Ixempra, 2/09 add Xeloda and low dose Naltrexone
2/09 off Ixempra/Xeloda
3/09 navelbine/herc/cytoxin 4/09 PET shows regress.7/09 start Topotecan. Failed.
8/09 extensive mets rgt brst, back and torso. starting Pazopanib clinical trial.
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10-29-2007, 06:49 PM
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Vickie
You are correct that overdoses of D2 are more toxic than overdoses of D3 even though D3 is more effective and more easily used by the body (most likely because this is the form that the skin produces from sunshine). However, in supplemental doses up to 10,000iu, D3 is shown to stay in the body much, much longer than D2 which is more quickly eliminated. It is difficult to overdose on D2 as you would need to take over 20,000iu per day everyday. This would equal 50 400iu tablets (the common dosage in a supplemental by itself tablet).
D2 is the only way for vegetarians or vegans to supplement Vitamin D without the sun as D3 is synthesized in laboratories starting with lanolin (an oily substance from sheep's wool). In normal eating, normal food supplementation and normal supplement ingestion, D2 is not toxic however, D3 is always preferred. D3 tablets are becoming easier to find but it is difficult to find a multivitamin that has D3 over D2.
In reality, because D3 stays in the body longer, it would actually be easier to OD on D3 (although you would have to really try to OD on Vitamin D in general with as many tablets as you would have to take).
If one is not vegetarian, one should always look for D3 as it is more easily converted to the alcohol form and then the hormonal form in the liver and kidney.
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Kind regards
Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
NED 18 years!
Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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10-29-2007, 11:55 PM
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I picked up D3 (1000 IU) from a health food store and for a multivitamin, GNC makes a Women's Ultra Mega Bone Density multivitamin and in it is 800 IU of Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol).
Beckie, how much IU of vitamin D do you take daily?
Maryanne
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*** MARYANNE *** aka HARRIECANARIE
1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen
2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy
2007:
6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
Femara
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10-30-2007, 03:02 AM
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From October to April I take about 1600iu but I only take 600iu April - October as I expose myself to sunlight then.
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Kind regards
Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
NED 18 years!
Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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