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01-24-2010, 07:05 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Owasso, OK
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More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
Hello Friends,
I have a couple of questions and would appreciate your wisdom and experience.
The first is, I started Femara back in October, and thankfully, have had very little problems with the exception of some minor joint pain. However, in the last six weeks, some things have occurred (huge appetite swings, face breaking out, chocolate cravings) and my onc believes my body may be going back to a pre-menopausal state. The crazy thing is, I was one who really didn't ever have bad pms. Is this odd that it could occur so soon after finishing chemo? I guess my real question is, should I be concerned?
Secondly, I've always considered myself a very high functioning person, and since returning to work full time, I've had a LOT of difficulty remembering things. I am a list person, so that helps, but I am not feeling near as effective and would appreciate any ideas you may have to help with my forgetfulness.
Thank you so much,
Hayley
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Hayley
Oklahoma
3/35/2009 - Diagnosed, age 39
5/7/09 - Mastectomy and reconstruction started. Two tumors found. Tumors were side by side. DCIS tumor was 2.8 cm, ER-, PR-, grade 2. Invasive tumor was 1.1 cm, poorly differentiated, grade 3, ER+90%, PR+95%, HER2+3. Thankfully, no node involvement.
5/29/09 - Second surgery resulting from difficulty healing from mastectomy.
6/2/09 - Began Herceptin treatments
6/23/09 - Began Taxotere and Carboplatin treatments along with Herception every 3 weeks.
10/06/09 - Completed Taxotere and Carboplatin - Yeah!!!
10/27/2009 - Herceptin maintenance and began Femara
12/10/2009 - 2nd stage reconstruction surgery
2/2010 - Body rejected saline implant
3/18/2010 - Second stage reconstruction using silicone implant
5/4/10 - Completed Herceptin - YEE-HAA!
May '10 - Body rejects silicone implant...taking a break.
11/29/10 - Hysterectomy
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01-24-2010, 07:20 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 203
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
No, I don't think it's crazy for your hormones to be back -- but there are tests for that to be sure.
I SO know the chemo brain thing - it's real! And honestly, I think the stress of having cancer just puts your brain into a weird place anyway. But for me it seems to have gotten better, slowly, over time. And yes, the lists help.
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Dx 8/06 Age 43 Stage IIIA multifocal throughout breast, largest tumor 5 cm, grade 3, comedo, ER+PR+HER+++
Neoadjuvant A/C 4X Dose Dense
11/06 Bilateral Mastectomy (no choice on the right, my choice on the left)
Taxol+Herceptin weekly x12, continuing with Herceptin, finished one year in 12/07
33 Rads
Femara for 5+ years, staying on (started with Arimidex, switched after about a month, much happier)
Abnormal brain MRI shows no cancer, but "extensive white matter diease" - unknown cause
BRCA negative - lots of cancer in my family
survivor of thyroid cancer
also have Crohn's disease
CT and bone scan say NED as of 5/13
dx with severe cardiomyopathy 5/12 (likely due to chemo and Herceptin), ejection fraction in low 20's, now up to 40, went to 50, latest read 12/13 is back down to 35
1/13 Acute pancreatitis - are you kidding me?
9/13 started Humira for Crohn's. starting to have some energy again
B12 and Vit D both needed supplementation
Cataracts in both eyes noted 6/12 - surgery in the next 2-4 years?
4/14 Kidney stones/blockage/infection - related to Crohn's Disease
5/14 My aunt passed away - she was diagnosed after I was with Stage I - not Her2+, then Stage 4 for about one year
6/14 Scans - still NED, thank God. However, broken rib (I didn't notice) lots of bone degeneration osteopenia/osteoporosis. I also still have cardiomyopathy secondary to chemo.
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01-24-2010, 08:41 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hershey, PA. Live The Sweet Life!
Posts: 2,005
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
Live by lists and memory association games to assist me to recall things. I have times where the word is just, you know, right there, but it eludes me. Maybe the lack of estrogen affects us adversely. Then too, there is the whole stress, lack of rest, recovery thing to consider. I think we just have to learn to cope with the new norm.
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Smile On!
Laurel
Dx'd w/multifocal DCIS/IDS 3/08
7mm invasive component
Partial mast. 5/08
Stage 1b, ER 80%, PR 90%, HER-2 6.9 on FISH
0/5 nodes
4 AC, 4 TH finished 9/08
Herceptin every 3 weeks. Finished 7/09
Tamoxifen 10/08. Switched to Femara 8/09
Bilat SPM w/reconstruction 10/08
Clinical Trial w/Clondronate 12/08
Stopped Clondronate--too hard on my gizzard!
Switched back to Tamoxifen due to tendon pain from Femara
15 Years NED
I think I just might hang around awhile....
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01-24-2010, 10:44 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,154
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
Has your dr. done or have you had any estrogen level tests? To be certain that you are post menopausal?
As far as I know you must be post menopausal in order to take the AI 's.
As far as the chemo brain, it is real and in time your memory will get better. It is not uncommon to just forget a name that seems to be on the tip of your tongue. Or you just feel a sort of fog to recall easy things from your memory. It seems to only last a few min. as you try to recall, very frustrating but the fog does lift. It takes time after treatment. I found that remember new names was a problem. Or I started to get up to get something and when I get into the room
a few min. later I would say, what was it I came in here for? Very annoying. But it does improve. Just keep using your lists...and doing things to keep your brain working...
Best Wishes,
jean
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Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
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01-24-2010, 10:51 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Hilo, Hawaii
Posts: 1,867
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
I have a very good friend who is 43 yrs old. She is not on Femara, but she is on estrogen blockers. She has gone through significant changes, and her assumption is that it is pretty much due to being thrown into menopause. If you would like for me to ask her any questions, I am sure she would be happy to help. You should be able to see me email there.
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*** MARYANNE *** aka HARRIECANARIE
1993: right side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads
1999: left side DCIS, lumpectomy, rads, tamoxifen
2006:
BRCA 2 positive
Stage I, invasive DCIS (6mm x 5mm)
Grade: intermediate
sentinal node biopsy: neg
HER2/neu amplified 4.7
ER+/PR+
TOPO II neg
Oncotype dx 20
Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
oophorectomy
2007:
6 cycles TCH (taxotere, carboplatin, herceptin)
finished 1 yr herceptin 05/07
Arimidex, stopped after almost 1 yr
Femara
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01-25-2010, 12:25 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Southern, CA
Posts: 2,511
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
Hayley, I was dx at age 48 and was still peri-meno. Of course after after trt I was put into chemopause. My onc wanted me on an Femara, and I was on it for a while until I felt as though I was going to start my period again. I had her check my FSH & Estradiol levels and found out I was right. I was back to be peri-meno not that long after finishing chemo. So here I had been on Femara and peri-meno all that time. I then started on Zoledax shots so I could continue to take Femara. The monthly Zoledex worked to keep me in menopausal range...but for what ever reason the 3 month dose did NOT work? (Strange)
So yes...you should be concerned. As you probably know you should "not" be taking any AI's if your peri-meno. So make sure you onc checks your FSH & Estradiol. I see your alot younger then I was so it would not surprise me one bit that your in the peri-meno range already. Get your onc to check that asap. You really don't want to be taking Femara if your not menopausal.
As far as being forgetful...join the club. lol It seems to be very common after chemo unfortunetly. We all joke about chemo brain but it's real. I write myself so many notes it's not funny. I even have notes to remind me to read my OTHER notes. lol Our bodie & mind have been thru some major changes...let alone the consent stress that cancer brings with it. It's no wonder we can't think straight. I really do believe in time it does get better. Hang in there your not alone.
Chelee
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DX: 12-20-05 - Stage IIIA, Her2/Neu, 3+++,Er & Pr weakly positive, 5 of 16 pos nodes.
Rt. MRM on 1-3-06 -- No Rads due to compromised lungs.
Chemo started 2-7-06 -- TCH - - Finished 6-12-06
Finished yr of wkly herceptin 3-19-07
3-15-07 Lt side prophylactic simple mastectomy. -- Ooph 4-05-07
9-21-09 PET/CT "Recurrence" to Rt. axllia, Rt. femur, ilium. Possible Sacrum & liver? Now stage IV.
9-28-09 Loading dose of Herceptin & started Zometa
9-29-09 Power Port Placement
10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
7-7-10 Recurrence to RT axilla again. Back to UCLA for options.
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01-25-2010, 06:18 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Stockton, NJ
Posts: 4,179
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Re: More Femara Questions and Help with Forgetfulness
Hi Wolverine
Like the others said, make sure you get your bloodwork done for FSH, LH and estradiol. You are young. I was older than you when chemo ended (last chemo Jan 2005 - period back July 2005). That was a complete shock to me and I was 46 at the time.
Second, chemo and low estrogen levels cause forgetfulness. I had the worse case of "couldn't find the right word" syndrome and "how do you spell that word" syndrome. I was also bad with numbers. It did all come back but now the forgetfulness is from " I am in my 50's" syndrome
You will make it thru that, kinda comes with the territory. At least you know you are doing it!
Keep in touch with the menopause blood work and don't forget to do it 
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Kind regards
Becky
Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
Prolia every 6 months for osteopenia
NED 18 years!
Said Christopher Robin to Pooh: "You must remember this: You're braver than you believe and stronger than you seem and smarter than you think"
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