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Old 02-17-2008, 07:58 PM   #1
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Radiation to Supraclav node..?

Hi All~
Just wanted to get your feedback/opinion/wisdom, etc about getting radiation to a supraclavicular node?
Here's a little background:
I was dx'd Stage IV liver mets in May 2002.
Lots & lots of chemo (81 weeks), but finally
Liver resection - December 2005, liver NED ever since
February 2006 - local recurrence to L breast, where original primary tumor was.
December 2006 - L mastectomy + reconstruction in March & August, 2007
October 2008 - recurrence to single supraclav node, L side of neck.
Resumed chemo - Gemzar/Herceptin - 4 cycles to NED, but completed a total of 6 cycles.
To date, I have had 93 chemo treatments in the past 51/2 yrs & am THRILLED to have successfully responded again!!!
But now my docs are suggesting radiation to the node & I really, really, REALLY don't want to do it.
I heard radiation to the neck (&all parts) is pretty brutal - per my infusion nurse who has treated many lymphoma pts.
And I'm just confused about a STAGE IV patient having radiation for a local recurrence after successful chemotherapy?

Any words of wisdom/experience are much appreciated!

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Old 02-17-2008, 08:56 PM   #2
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My mother had lymphoma about 10 years ago. She was 74 at the time. She was at first quite frightened and delaying her surgery with any excuse she could find. I flew home (ca. 20 hrs. including transfer time) and tried to persuade her along with 5 other siblings. She finally had the surgery and all the treatment (chemo and radiation) She is 84 right now and going 85 this summer. She complained more about the chemo than about radiation.
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:04 AM   #3
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Hi;

My onc found a tumor in my supraclavicular node just as I was beginning chemo so following the chemo I had radiation to my supraclavicular node...left side as well. In this site a tumor is inoperable so, along with chemo radiation is the best option to be sure it is gone. I still have broken veins in the area from the radiation but the treatment itself wasn't so bad. I carried around a cold, wet baby facecloth in a baggy for a while so that if it started to burn I applied it, along with a cream and it really helped. The bigger problem with having radiation to this area is the radiation spray effect. I ended up with damage to my teeth and had to have caps put on those teeth. There is also the risk of osteoradionecrosis which is similar to osteonecrosis caused by biophosphonates but caused by radiation. I would talk to the radiologist about having a protective pad placed to protect your jaw and head during treatment. I really don't know why they didn't do that with me and I didn't even think of this potential side effect so didn't ask. If you need any dental work done (teeth extraction, etc.) I would have that done before treatment just in case. Really that is the biggest problem with radiation to that area in my view so if you get a handle on that it should be fine.....and it is always better to remove a tumor when possible in my view.

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Diagnosed Oct. 2004 3 cm ductal, lumpectomy Nov. 2004
Diagnosed Jan. 2005 tumor in supraclavicular node
Stage 3c, Grade 3, ER/PR+, Her2++
4 AC, 4 Taxol, Radiation, Arimidex, Actonel
Herceptin for 9 months until Muga dropped and heart enlarged
Restarting herceptin weekly after 4 months off
Stopped herceptin after four weekly treatments....score dropped to 41
Finished 6 years Arimidex
May 2015 diagnosed with ovarian cancer
Stage 1C
started 6 treatments of carboplatin/taxol
Genetic testing show BRCA1 VUS
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29 March 2018 Lung biopsy following chest CT showing tumours in pleura of left lung, waiting for results to the question bc or ovarian
April 20, 2018 BC mets confirmed, ER/PR+ now Her2-
Questions about the possibility of ovarian spread and mets to bones so will be tested and monitored for these.
To begin new drug Palbociclib (Ibrance) along with Letrozole May, 2018.
Genetic testing of ovarian tumour and this new lung met will take months.
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:09 AM   #4
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Did you have any problems with a sore throat during your treatment?
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Old 02-18-2008, 09:31 AM   #5
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Patty;

Not that I remember. I don't believe so.

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Diagnosed Oct. 2004 3 cm ductal, lumpectomy Nov. 2004
Diagnosed Jan. 2005 tumor in supraclavicular node
Stage 3c, Grade 3, ER/PR+, Her2++
4 AC, 4 Taxol, Radiation, Arimidex, Actonel
Herceptin for 9 months until Muga dropped and heart enlarged
Restarting herceptin weekly after 4 months off
Stopped herceptin after four weekly treatments....score dropped to 41
Finished 6 years Arimidex
May 2015 diagnosed with ovarian cancer
Stage 1C
started 6 treatments of carboplatin/taxol
Genetic testing show BRCA1 VUS
Nice! My hair came back really curly. Hope it lasts lol. Well it didn't but I liked it so I'm now a perm lady
29 March 2018 Lung biopsy following chest CT showing tumours in pleura of left lung, waiting for results to the question bc or ovarian
April 20, 2018 BC mets confirmed, ER/PR+ now Her2-
Questions about the possibility of ovarian spread and mets to bones so will be tested and monitored for these.
To begin new drug Palbociclib (Ibrance) along with Letrozole May, 2018.
Genetic testing of ovarian tumour and this new lung met will take months.
To see geneticist to be retested for BRCA this week....still BRCA VUS
CA125 has declined from 359 to 12 as of Aug.23/18


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Old 02-18-2008, 05:46 PM   #6
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I do know someone who had radiation, and has had limited success...it is being combined or I should say followed by chemo. I had mine surgically removed (the first time) and was NED for almost 3 years, and then they returned with a vengence. So yes they can be surgically removed, and yes they can be radiated, although many oncologists don't like the radiation approach. My friend fought long and hard to get it. Mine are maintained now by chemo.
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Core Biopsy 2/22/02
L. Mastectomy 2/25/2002
Stage 1, 0.7cm IDC, Node Neg from 19 nodes Her2+++ ER PR Neg
6/2003 Reconstruction W/ Tissue Expander, Silicone Implant
9/2003 Stage IV with Mets to Supraclavicular nodes
9/2003 Began Herceptin every 3 weeks
3/2006 Xeloda 2500mg/Herceptin for recurrence to neck nodes
3/2007 Added back the Xeloda with Herceptin for continued mets to nodes
5/2007 Taken Off Xeloda, no longer working
6/14/07 Taxol/Herceptin/Avastin
3/26 - 5/28/08 Taxol Holiday Whopeeeeeeeee
5/29 2008 Back on Taxol w Herceptin q 2 weeks
4/2009 Progression on Taxol & Paralyzed L Vocal Cord from Nodes Pressing on Nerve
5/2009 Begin Rx with Navelbine/Herceptin
11/09 Progression on Navelbine
Fought for and started Tykerb/Herceptin...nodes are melting!!!!!
2/2010 Back to Avastin/Herceptin
5/2010 Switched to Metronomic Chemo with Herceptin...Cytoxan and Methotrexate
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7/2010 Back to walking a mile a day...YEAH!!!!
9/2010 Nodes are back with a vengence in neck
Qualified for TDM-1 EAP
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Mixed response, shrinking internal nodes, progression skin mets after 3 treatments
12/6/10 Started Halaven (Eribulen) /Herceptin excellent results in 2 treatments
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7/5/11 begin Gemzar /Herceptin for node progression
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:23 PM   #7
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I think Lolly did this?

I'm sure she will see your post and respond on it.
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June 2002 extensive hi grade DCIS (pre-cancer-stage 0, clean sentinal node) Mastectomy/implant - no chemo, rads. "cured?"
9/2004 Diag: Stage IV extensive liver mets (!) ER/PR- Her2+++
10/04-3/05 Weekly Taxol/Carboplatin/Herceptin , complete response!
04/05 - 4/07 Herception every 3 wks, Continue NED
04/07 - recurrence to liver - 2 spots, starting tykerb/avastin trial
06/07 8/07 10/07 Scans show stable, continue on Tykerb/Avastin
01/08 Progression in liver
02/08 Begin (TDM1) trial
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02/09 Continue NED
02/10 Continue NED. 5/10 9/10 Scans NED 10/10 Scans NED
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07/11 - 11/11 Herceptin/Xeloda -not working:(
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11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
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2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
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Old 02-18-2008, 06:28 PM   #8
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I've had local/regional recurrences to skin and lymph nodes, including supraclavicular, on both left and right sides. Although I've had radiation to the chest and axilla areas (after chemo), I've never had the clavicular nodes radiated; they've enlarged and shrunk several times based on chemo response. I did have a lot of radiation to my right axilla, after chemo, for a very stubborn tumor in the nodes there. It shrunk significantly, but has since returned and now we're back to treating it with chemo. The problem with radiation, in my experience, has been scarring which has been causing other problems. So Cathy's suggestions are very good, really discuss with your rad onc the possibilities of "fall-out" from radiation, and don't be afraid to refuse it if you're not sure. My onc was pretty open about saying we were "thinking outside the box", which sounds like the territory you're in.

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Old 02-19-2008, 11:15 PM   #9
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Patty;

I have been rethinking your question about a sore throat. I think I did have something going on with my throat....a cough or something. I can't really remember but I asked my mother and she reminded me that I did complain for some time about this following the radiation. I do remember being worried about it being more serious than effect of the radiation.

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Diagnosed Oct. 2004 3 cm ductal, lumpectomy Nov. 2004
Diagnosed Jan. 2005 tumor in supraclavicular node
Stage 3c, Grade 3, ER/PR+, Her2++
4 AC, 4 Taxol, Radiation, Arimidex, Actonel
Herceptin for 9 months until Muga dropped and heart enlarged
Restarting herceptin weekly after 4 months off
Stopped herceptin after four weekly treatments....score dropped to 41
Finished 6 years Arimidex
May 2015 diagnosed with ovarian cancer
Stage 1C
started 6 treatments of carboplatin/taxol
Genetic testing show BRCA1 VUS
Nice! My hair came back really curly. Hope it lasts lol. Well it didn't but I liked it so I'm now a perm lady
29 March 2018 Lung biopsy following chest CT showing tumours in pleura of left lung, waiting for results to the question bc or ovarian
April 20, 2018 BC mets confirmed, ER/PR+ now Her2-
Questions about the possibility of ovarian spread and mets to bones so will be tested and monitored for these.
To begin new drug Palbociclib (Ibrance) along with Letrozole May, 2018.
Genetic testing of ovarian tumour and this new lung met will take months.
To see geneticist to be retested for BRCA this week....still BRCA VUS
CA125 has declined from 359 to 12 as of Aug.23/18


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Old 02-20-2008, 02:38 AM   #10
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I recall I had a terrible sore throat for weeks when I was getting radiation. It is very common. I went away about 10 days after completing radiation.

I did not have radiation to supraclavical, however, getting radiation was a piece of cake. At the last 5-6 treatments I started feeling sore in the neck, ribs, sternum., but not painful. It is still tender/sore to the touch.

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