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		|  04-14-2007, 02:44 PM | #1 |  
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				Getting info for a friend
			 
 Has anyone had back pain or backaches with navelbine?  Had a friend call and ask me this week.  She has been checked for mets so that doesn't appear to be the problem.  She is wondering if maybe, its arthritis which she didn't think she had.  She is having lots of back pain.  I told her I would post the question and see if anyone has had this problem.  hugs, Sandy 
				__________________Dx. 03/01, Rt. IBC
 AC/Taxatere
 Rt. MRM-with graft Lt. simple
 5 rads-skin mets
 Herceptin, taxol, carboplatin (taxol seem to be the magic drug)
 Navelbine & xeloda (did not work)
 topical miltex for skin mets
 Tykerb/xeloda
 thoracentesis x 2 left lung fluid shows cancer cells
 Port removal (4 years) with power port replacement
 Doxil
 Updated 05-07 Scans show no bone or organ involvement we shall see!
 
 
 
 
 I shall not pass this way again. Any good I can do or any kindness that I can show let me not defer or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again.
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		|  04-14-2007, 03:46 PM | #2 |  
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	 | Sandy - I had some back pains when I began Navelbine, but I'm not sure if it was a carryover from my surgery.  Later I seemed to have it for about 24 hours after my infusions, now I don't seem to have it at all.  I mentioned it to my oncologist, but since it seemed to go away, he didn't seem too concerned about it. 
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 Stage IIIC, 17 of 20 Nodes +, E+, Her2+++
 Diagnosed 6/30/05
 Lumpectomy 7/13/05
 Dose Dense A/C x 4
 Weekly Taxol + Herceptin x 12
 Remainder of year Herceptin Every 3 weeks (completes 9/13/06)
 Radiation completed 2/28/06
 Currently on Tamoxifen
 Dec 06 - Pleural effusion treated with pleurodesis
 Now er/pr-, her2++
 1/07 started weekly Navelbine plus Herceptin
 Discontinued Tamoxifen
 4/27/07 CTshowed progression
 5/01/07 Began Tykerb/Xeloda + Zometa
 5/22/07 Stopped treatment due to great progression
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		|  04-15-2007, 06:37 AM | #3 |  
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	 | Sandy, 
There have been talks of the pain caused by Navelbine... don't know if your friend would have the same kind, tho'... for lack of details   )
  
My pain was temporary but sharp hit and miss all over trunk area. We've called them 'ping-pong pain' for the way it jumps around. This was during the first two rounds. And really bad (but shortlived) jaw pain.
  
Also, severe pain in upper arm area that was tested by scans etc etc with no decernable reason forthcoming. It eased over time. 
  
IF no other reason for her pain can be found, then I think she can blame the Navelbine... and maybe it will be less and less as time goes by. That helped with all my fears about the 'cause' of the pain, the lessening over time.
  
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		|  04-15-2007, 10:42 PM | #4 |  
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				Neulasta?
			 
 Is she taking Neulasta to keep her WBC up?  If so, one of the common side effects of Neulasta is spinal pain...
 Love and Light
 Mel
 
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		|  04-16-2007, 08:29 AM | #5 |  
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	 | Thanks, I am sure she will be happy to hear this.  Mel, I think she is taking them because she has had to skip treatment last week her counts were too low.  I didn' think about that one.  Once again you were there to help, as I told her you would be.  She just laughed because she does not have a computer and so doesn't get it how  much we depend on each other here!  hugs, Sandy 
				__________________Dx. 03/01, Rt. IBC
 AC/Taxatere
 Rt. MRM-with graft Lt. simple
 5 rads-skin mets
 Herceptin, taxol, carboplatin (taxol seem to be the magic drug)
 Navelbine & xeloda (did not work)
 topical miltex for skin mets
 Tykerb/xeloda
 thoracentesis x 2 left lung fluid shows cancer cells
 Port removal (4 years) with power port replacement
 Doxil
 Updated 05-07 Scans show no bone or organ involvement we shall see!
 
 
 
 
 I shall not pass this way again. Any good I can do or any kindness that I can show let me not defer or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again.
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		|  04-16-2007, 11:17 AM | #6 |  
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	 | Hi Sandy The Good Samaratin -
 I am glad Mel brought that up about the white count booster causing pain.
 
 In my case I had sever pain in my hips, pelvic area and lower back for about 2 weeks, then it eased up.  A heating pad helped as well as Aleve.  The drug is forcing the bone marrow to 'cough up' new white blood cells - and we need a LOT of them.  There is a fine line of too much or too little of Neulasta. Which is why the blood work should always include the Neutraphil count.
 
				__________________"When I hear music, I fear no danger. I am invulnerable. I see no foe. I am related to the earliest times, and to the latest." H.D. Thoreau
 Live in the moment.
 
 MY STORY SO FAR ~~~~
 Found suspicious lump 9/2000
 Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
 Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
 Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
 36 rads - very little burning
 3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
 Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
 2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
 Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
 All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
 Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
 Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
 Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
 2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
 2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
 Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
 STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
 7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
 Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
 2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
 Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
 Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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		|  04-18-2007, 07:10 AM | #7 |  
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	 | I asked her and she said she is not receiving any shots for her blood counts.  When they are too low she skips the treatment!  Surprised me.  Thanks for all your help.  hugs, Sandy 
				__________________Dx. 03/01, Rt. IBC
 AC/Taxatere
 Rt. MRM-with graft Lt. simple
 5 rads-skin mets
 Herceptin, taxol, carboplatin (taxol seem to be the magic drug)
 Navelbine & xeloda (did not work)
 topical miltex for skin mets
 Tykerb/xeloda
 thoracentesis x 2 left lung fluid shows cancer cells
 Port removal (4 years) with power port replacement
 Doxil
 Updated 05-07 Scans show no bone or organ involvement we shall see!
 
 
 
 
 I shall not pass this way again. Any good I can do or any kindness that I can show let me not defer or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again.
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		|  04-18-2007, 08:11 AM | #8 |  
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	 | That's the way it was for me, if my white counts got too low, they either reduced the dose of navelbine or if they dropped below 1000, they suspended this until they came back up, which in my case was just one week.  I was told they don't give the white count boosters when you are taking weekly infusions. 
				__________________Andi
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 Stage IIIC, 17 of 20 Nodes +, E+, Her2+++
 Diagnosed 6/30/05
 Lumpectomy 7/13/05
 Dose Dense A/C x 4
 Weekly Taxol + Herceptin x 12
 Remainder of year Herceptin Every 3 weeks (completes 9/13/06)
 Radiation completed 2/28/06
 Currently on Tamoxifen
 Dec 06 - Pleural effusion treated with pleurodesis
 Now er/pr-, her2++
 1/07 started weekly Navelbine plus Herceptin
 Discontinued Tamoxifen
 4/27/07 CTshowed progression
 5/01/07 Began Tykerb/Xeloda + Zometa
 5/22/07 Stopped treatment due to great progression
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