Reoccurance-Please Help Me!!!!!!!

Jenna · 12-16-2006, 03:35 PM

Hey guys -
2 years ago I underwent a bilateral masectomy for DCIS with microinvasion. No Rads or Chemo (Node Negative) - however, "dirty margins".... ER-,PR- HER2+3.

Now 2 years later - it has reoccured in the "dirty margin area" - and the doc reexcised me ... and performed the free tram flap procedure to take most of the skin and some muscle away. More nodes were removed and they came back negative. This time she got clear margins. It was DCIS with microinvasion again ... but there are some small foci of invasive ductal carcinoma.... The path report said "residual breast tissue" Er-, PR-Her2+3. The tumor was .6mm

At any rate, doc now recommending chemo + rads.... Chemo Taxotere/Cytosin plus herception for a year followed by rads. I feel this is so aggressive in that they are treating DCIS as if it were invasive and spread all over my body. (Bone and CT scan came back clear) .... (I'm also skeptical of chemo - not sure I want to damage perfectly healthy cells for no benefit)

Anyone have any comments - or experienced a similar thing!
Any input would be appreciated!
Jenna

sherri · 12-16-2006, 03:52 PM

Jenna,

HER2 is a very aggressive cancer, in my opinion you go after aggressive one with aggressive tools! You don't want this comes back again in another part of your body! .

bobbiw · 12-16-2006, 04:18 PM

I tend to agree with Sherri. A year ago I was diganosed with HER2+++, Er+Pr+, no node involvement, clean margins, tumor 2 cm. I opted to treat aggressively, mastectomy, chemo (AC then Taxol) now on Herceptin and Tomoxifen. I wanted to be agressive with this aggressive diagnosis.
Good luck to you.
Bobbi

Chelee · 12-16-2006, 04:35 PM

With this aggressive type of cancer...I would want to go after it with everything I could. So I would have to agree with the others here. Everyone has to decide whats best for them...but personally if it were me...I would do the chemo, rads and herceptin. I would have to do it for peace of mind knowing I did all I could to keep it away.

Good luck in your decision regardless of what you decide. Its not an easy road to go on...but it is doable.

Hang in there...all the best.

Chelee

karen raines hunt · 12-16-2006, 04:59 PM

Dear Jenna,

I agree with the other women. This is an aggressive cancer and fortunately now, we have more weapons to fight it. Do what your doc recommends.

Karen

tricia keegan · 12-16-2006, 05:20 PM

Jenna fight this now with the "big guns" and hopefully you'll never experience this again.

Herceptin is a breeze and chemo do-able so go for it as you can't take a chance with this form of the disease!
Tricia

Yorkiegirl · 12-16-2006, 06:57 PM

I say treat it now, with all that you can.

sassy · 12-16-2006, 07:02 PM

Totally agree with everyone else. Aggressive disease calls for aggressive treatment. Its not exactly fun, but it is doable.
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tousled1 · 12-16-2006, 07:20 PM

Jenna,

I agree with everyone else -- treat the breast cancer aggressively. You should have the chemo and when you finish that you should start the radiation. You should also have the Herceptin while you are receiving the radiation treatments. The last thing you want is another recurrence and the only way to prevent that is to be aggressive. Best of luck to you. Keep us posted.

suzan w · 12-16-2006, 10:03 PM

I will add my 2 cents worth! Treat this as agressively as you can now...you will have no regrets!

StephN · 12-16-2006, 11:07 PM

I have two friends who started out like you with DCIS. One made it to about the 5 year mark with only mast and no chemo. She has been plagued with tumerous nodes and ribs ever since it returned. She is also hormone positive and the hormone suppressors only help for a while.

The other woman was like you with hormone neg and no chemo and recurred with distant mets at about three years. She is stable and on Herceptin for the rest of her life - as I am.

If you can have the Herceptin now, you may save yourself years of treatment down the road. It is not easy, but that is reality with many Her2 positive patients.

Bev · 12-16-2006, 11:25 PM

Ditto all above. None of us have the answer but not having chemo and rads didn't work the first time around for you. So. With ERPR- , you can't rely on other hormonals working. If I were you I would do it. Chemo causes problems for a small percentage,it may not work, but it is all that is being offered right now. If nothing else, do taxol and Herceptin. Also I think it would be only the Herceptin for a year. You may be doing 3 mos Cytosin + 3 mos T + H, then 9 more mos of H. H is very do-able. Bev

MGordon · 12-16-2006, 11:40 PM

I pray you find your answer in your heart, but as I sit here at hospice with Lisa I felt I just had to put in a quick post.

In 1999 Lisa was diagnosed DCIS 1+ ER+ PR+ HER2+++. We battled with a masectomy (single) and agressive Andromyicen/Cytoxin/Taxol chemo. Removed 20 nodes and all were clean, ALL margins clean. But even with this regime, Lisa had recurrance in 2003. Now liver, brain, bones, and lymphatic system mets. Since recuurance the battle has raged - including Whole Brain Radiation.

FIGHT! Use every weapon at your disposal. Trust your healing team. I cannot testify personally how hard chemo is - but I have been by Lisa's side through Zometa, Herceptin, Gemsar, Taxotere, Navelbine, Xeloda, revisted Taxol, and a brief fight with the Tykerb trial. I've seen how hard this fight is, but I know that this board can help you get through it - and to not treat this now with everything we've could COULD cause regrets.

Find your faith - focus on your center - and let this board pray for you.

Love and Light
Mel

KellyA · 12-17-2006, 05:19 AM

The thing that I have told myself and my friends and family since the begining of this nightmare, is that I never want to look back and wish that I had done more when it is too late. I decided to go "balls to the wall" (a saying that my hubby uses, that I used to hate) from the beginning and hit it with everything I had. I won't know if I beat this thing or not for a long time, but I will always know in my heart that I did EVERYTHING that I could regardless of what happens in the end. I have learned with this disease to live life hard- to work hard, play hard, laugh hard, love hard, most of all, fight hard with all that's in me. Chemo sounds very scary, it was a terrifying thought to me, but it was not at all how I imagined it. I think that I watched too many lifetime movies in the past :-) and had a very distorted image of what chemo is like. The drugs now prevent nausea, sickness, and most other side effects that I used to know went hand in hand with chemo. I worked through the entire thing and was able to take care of 3 young children at home. I got a new "haircut" and was tired, but still was able to live and have fun.

It's a big decision to make- pray about it, remember your family and friends, and never take anything for granted. Life can turn in a second.

Love,
Kelly

saleboat · 12-17-2006, 08:01 AM

Hi Jenna,

I would have done anything to avoid chemo when I was first diagnosed. It is so hard to accept the huge threat to your health, when (at least for me) I felt so healthy.

I needed very aggressive treatment, and there wasn't really any way to avoid it. Maybe someday women with my sucky pathology report will be able to skip chemo, but we're just not there yet.

I think the days in which cancer was defined by stage and spread are over-- and Oncs will make treatment recommendations based on biology-- the biology of the cancer that you have/had is VERY aggressive and it clearly wants to spread despite the surgical intervention that you had the first time around.

Chemo is not a walk in the park, but it is doable. You have a great chance of being cured by it, plus herceptin. Without chemo and herceptin, I think you'd be rolling the dice.

Good luck with your decision.

Jen

Andi · 12-17-2006, 02:48 PM

Jenna- I agree with all of the above posts. Like Saleboat, I had to treat my cancer agressively. I felt so very fortunate that I was able to take Herceptin as part of my regular course of treatment so that I could get the maximum benefit from it. I had the most discomfort with the dose dense A/C. With the Taxol I had no nausea, in fact after my treatments I was always famished. The Herceptin by itself was very tolerable and my radiation was also uneventful. If you can deal with these treatments now, hopefully, it will prevent mets in the future and needing additional treatment.

rinaina · 12-17-2006, 03:26 PM

just another voice saying hit it with everything you got and everything the oncs have to fight this beast. her2+ is just too aggressive of a cancer to take a chance. good luck with your decision.

Hopeful · 12-17-2006, 05:56 PM

Jenna,

Is your onc willing to give you Herceptin without chemo? Since you have had local recurrence, rads make sense; radiation also is synergistic with Herceptin, so that would give you some added protection. I chose not to have chemo for a 1.3 cm, node negative, ER+/PR+ tumor, however, my onc is willing to treat me with Herceptin without chemo. Chemo or no chemo, the targeted therapy is worth having, IMO. This is a personal decision and never an easy one. Good luck to you, however you decide.

Hopeful

cafe1084 · 12-17-2006, 07:06 PM

Jenna,

I've taken the same path most of the other members have--"balls to the wall" HA HA HA, full-force, head on, in your face action against my cancer. Was a fairly small place, node negative, but after all my research of her2 +, I knew I couldn't afford to leave any stone unturned. Being young and in excellent health is on my side right now to deal with the more aggressive treatments. If I would have waited for a recurrence or metastasis to begin chemo, it could have been while dealing with co-morbidities or a worsened stage of cancer...or it could be the case of "a little too little, a little too late".

Like everyone else, you hope to fight it once and never ever hear the words recurrence or metastasis. Truth is, aggressive treatment or not, none of us have the guarantee of a long, full life because of the cancer type and its affinity for traveling. It is certainly the decision of a lifetime, but whatever your decision, it has to be one you can live with. You don't know how strong you can be until you're forced to be-- I didn't.

Praying you find clarity,
Stephanie

AlaskaAngel · 12-17-2006, 07:52 PM

Lani has posted many, many very interesting pieces of information about DCIS in the Articles forum that you might find helpful if you try a search using DCIS there.

Although the link I will post is a March, 2004 one it also provides some perspective about assumptions about any consensus regarding treatment of DCIS:

http://www.oncolink.upenn.edu/resour...h=03&year=2004

Treatment choices are always very individual. I would recommend getting several professional opinions, especially if possible from an institution at the forefront with HER2 research. In general I agree with Hopeful's suggestions.

Knowledge and beliefs regarding the superiority and efficacy of chemotherapy for HER2's are changing at many levels, even though actual change in collective thought and action can take much longer.

AlaskaAngel