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Gina · 01-26-2006, 07:03 PM

an article about the importance of maintaining a clean colon when you have cancer. One reason that this may be especially important for her-2 folks is because the oleic acid is actually absorbed in the intestine. Any how, the concept about raising blood sugar was not mentioned--although I think maintaing good insulin levels is VERY important...and like Becky, I tend to eat a diet with a naturally low glycemic index...staying away from white pasta's, sugary treats, etc.

What was mentioned in this article, however, was the problem of the fruit causing the food you had just eaten with it to start fermenting immediately. This is a normal chemical reaction. The article was concerned that the gases and toxic fumes given off in the gut by this type of natural fermentation is very harmful to the sensitive linings of the intestines--the same linings that must absorb the oleic acid and many other essential minerals and nutrients. The concern was that if you were consuming essential nutrients with the fruit fermentation going on, you might not be absorbing as much as necessary and that some of the nutrients that needed to be absorbed would just pass on out of the bowel. Therefore, if in the final analysis, oleic acid turns out to be an important nutrient for her-2 folks...my guess is that you would not want the bulk of it going into the toilet...hee hee hee...only teasing...smile, but seriously....another perspective to consider.

Besides, I have suffered from intestinal problems the whole time that I have had cancer...many of these problems have been caused, no doubt, by various treatments as much as anything else--even the Herceptin is terribly hard on my stomach.... Anyway, when I consume fruit with other foods...I get gas and abdominal cramping and swelling. When I try to keep them separate, I don't seem to have these problems...also, keep in mind, that as far as my own personal appetite goes, I am NOT big on fruit...never was, so I don't eat all that much of it to really raise my glucose levels--not that this is a necessarily good thing and perhaps one reason I was more prone to cancer in the first place......in fact, I detest fruit so much, that since I have been dx, I have had to force myself to include it in my diet and that by doing a regimented 4:30pm time slot for an apple or red pear (which both have a lot of fibre in them) just works for me.

Also, grabbing the purple grape juice blended with unsweetened cranberry or Pom, first thing in the morning gives me a boost as I do not drink coffee or caffenated beverages in the morning, and I think the good stuff in the deep purple juices outweighs the bit of glucose high, you get..just coming off the whole night fast--it is especially helpful in maintaining adequate RBC levels if on chemo--and gives good energy. However, I have very good blood sugar levels and have never been considered diabetic, but of course, for folks who may tend towards diabetes, they may want to be very careful about eating the fruit alone. Thanks for calling this insulin factor to my attention. I will add the disclaimer when I suggest the fruit alone in the future. It is just like so many complex issues that we discuss; for her-2 folks, it seems nothing is EVER as simple as the first take would imply....smile...

Oh, yes...my mother is a big fan of a few ounces of 100 percent real fruit juice (no sugar added) FIRST thing in the morning...uh...she will be 70 this April and is HEALTHIER than a 30- year old....if only my liver enzymes looked as young...smile...smile...smile...

Take care everybody,
Gina

01-26-2006, 07:03 PM	#5
Gina Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 197	The Fruit alone idea came from... an article about the importance of maintaining a clean colon when you have cancer. One reason that this may be especially important for her-2 folks is because the oleic acid is actually absorbed in the intestine. Any how, the concept about raising blood sugar was not mentioned--although I think maintaing good insulin levels is VERY important...and like Becky, I tend to eat a diet with a naturally low glycemic index...staying away from white pasta's, sugary treats, etc. What was mentioned in this article, however, was the problem of the fruit causing the food you had just eaten with it to start fermenting immediately. This is a normal chemical reaction. The article was concerned that the gases and toxic fumes given off in the gut by this type of natural fermentation is very harmful to the sensitive linings of the intestines--the same linings that must absorb the oleic acid and many other essential minerals and nutrients. The concern was that if you were consuming essential nutrients with the fruit fermentation going on, you might not be absorbing as much as necessary and that some of the nutrients that needed to be absorbed would just pass on out of the bowel. Therefore, if in the final analysis, oleic acid turns out to be an important nutrient for her-2 folks...my guess is that you would not want the bulk of it going into the toilet...hee hee hee...only teasing...smile, but seriously....another perspective to consider. Besides, I have suffered from intestinal problems the whole time that I have had cancer...many of these problems have been caused, no doubt, by various treatments as much as anything else--even the Herceptin is terribly hard on my stomach.... Anyway, when I consume fruit with other foods...I get gas and abdominal cramping and swelling. When I try to keep them separate, I don't seem to have these problems...also, keep in mind, that as far as my own personal appetite goes, I am NOT big on fruit...never was, so I don't eat all that much of it to really raise my glucose levels--not that this is a necessarily good thing and perhaps one reason I was more prone to cancer in the first place......in fact, I detest fruit so much, that since I have been dx, I have had to force myself to include it in my diet and that by doing a regimented 4:30pm time slot for an apple or red pear (which both have a lot of fibre in them) just works for me. Also, grabbing the purple grape juice blended with unsweetened cranberry or Pom, first thing in the morning gives me a boost as I do not drink coffee or caffenated beverages in the morning, and I think the good stuff in the deep purple juices outweighs the bit of glucose high, you get..just coming off the whole night fast--it is especially helpful in maintaining adequate RBC levels if on chemo--and gives good energy. However, I have very good blood sugar levels and have never been considered diabetic, but of course, for folks who may tend towards diabetes, they may want to be very careful about eating the fruit alone. Thanks for calling this insulin factor to my attention. I will add the disclaimer when I suggest the fruit alone in the future. It is just like so many complex issues that we discuss; for her-2 folks, it seems nothing is EVER as simple as the first take would imply....smile... Oh, yes...my mother is a big fan of a few ounces of 100 percent real fruit juice (no sugar added) FIRST thing in the morning...uh...she will be 70 this April and is HEALTHIER than a 30- year old....if only my liver enzymes looked as young...smile...smile...smile... Take care everybody, Gina