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Rich66 01-15-2010 11:06 PM

Soy and ER/Her2 pos: not yet
 
Carcinogenesis. 2010 Jan 12. [Epub ahead of print]
Genistein Induces Enhanced Growth Promotion in ER Positive/erbB-2 Overexpressing Breast Cancers by ER-erbB-2 crosstalk and p27/kip1 Downregulation.

Yang X, Yang S, McKimmey C, Liu B, Edgerton S, Bales W, Archer L, Thor AD.
Department of Pathology, University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center.
Genistein is a major isoflavone with known hormonal and tyrosine kinase modulating activities. Genistein has been shown to promote the growth of estrogen receptor (ER) positive MCF-7 cells. In ER negative/erbB-2 overexpressing cells, genistein has been shown to inhibit cell growth through its tyrosine kinase inhibitor activity. The effects of genistein on cell growth and tamoxifen response in ER positive/erbB-2 altered breast cancers (known as luminal type B and noted in approximately 10-20% of breast cancers) have not been well explored. Using erbB-2 transfected ER+ MCF-7 cells, we found that genistein induced enhanced cellular proliferation and tamoxifen resistance when compared to control MCF-7 cells. These responses were accompanied by increased phosphorylation of ERalpha and ER signaling, without increase in ER protein levels. Genistein treated MCF-7/erbB-2 cells also showed enhanced activation/phosphorylation of erbB-2, Akt and MAPK/Erk. Blockade of the PI3K and/or MAPK pathways abrogated genistein induced growth promotion, suggesting that genistein effects involve both critical signaling pathways. We also found that p27/kip1 was markedly downregulated in genistein treated MCF-7/erbB-2 cells. Overexpression of p27/kip1 attenuated genistein mediated growth promotion.
In aggregate, our data suggest that the concomitant co-expression of ER and erbB-2 makes breast cancers particularly susceptible to the growth promoting effects of genistein across a wide range of doses. The underlying mechanisms involve enhanced ER-erbB-2 crosstalk and p27/kip1 downregulation.

PMID: 20067990 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

Hopeful 01-16-2010 03:17 PM

Re: Soy and ER/Her2 pos: not yet
 
Interesting. I had been taking soy supplements for several years before being dx - ironically, I did not want to take hormone replacement meds for my menopause symptoms, which were severe, and my gyn told me to take soy instead.

Hopeful

Rich66 01-16-2010 05:28 PM

Re: Soy and ER/Her2 pos: not yet
 
Who knows whether it's an issue in acquiring cancer. But in light of the recent suggestion that it's now ok for ER+ breast cancer, figured this wrinkle regarding the 15% or so of BC that's Her2/ER pos is worth noting. It's too bad. In Her2 negative, soy seems to make estrogen receptors more susceptible to endocrine therapy. Damn crosstalk...


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