aromatase inhibitors, femara or arimidex
 

Am interested to know which hormonal blocker is taken, I am on femara. It seems all I hear about is arimidex though, is there an advantage in taking one over the other depending on situation?

Hi Diane,

I have no information for you, but I will be interested in how others respond. I have been on tamoxifen for just over two years and still am not post menopausal. Although my oncol thinks by this time next year I will be because it has been very sparse lately. She has told me that I should start thinking about switching over between femora, or one of the other newer drugs. So I will be interested in hearing how others compare these drugs.
How are we supposed to know which one is right for us???
Kristen

arimidex vs. femera
 

I was just switched off tomaxifen and put on arimidex - b/c of the Her2++ status I was put into menapaus w/ luprene shots. My onc said arimidex is the dug of choice basd on info leared at San Antonio - it supposedly workes btter for those of us who are her2++ and fr those akig Hercpetain. If the patient is experiencing a bad reaction of arimidex then femera or one of the others should be tried .

Hope this helps

Hi,

Is there a link that says armidex is better for Her2 patients taking Herceptin as I will like to present that to my oncologist.

Regards,
Rupali

I am no expert on but questions I would look at are;

1. The risk of Tamoxifen causing growth (see below - and I have seen it suggested elsewhere)
2. The side effects of the two. I have posted some links on the menstural cycle post and try looking at Breastcancer.org who have an informative section comparing the side effect of the two. There are big differences in side effects, among others risks of secondary cancers for tamoxifen and bone degredation with arimidex.
3. Generally arimidex is only perscribed to post menopausal which presents another set of issues for those who are premenopausal. For fertile women the issues are life changing and very complex.
4. Out come statistics I have seen seem to suggest arimidex has better (significantly) outcomes statisticaly that tamoxifen.
5. Your fertility views.
6. Your menopause views.
7. Your risk factors.
8. Insurance and cost aspects factors (arimidex from memory is a lot more expensive)

The more one reads the more complex it all is. As somebody who was a total beginner at the begining of the year I can only recommend you read and read and read. Regretably you are not going to find the answers neatly writen out all in one place. Change is happening so fast, opinons vary, regiems in countries and hospitals vary, the level of knowledge in practicioners varies depending on specialism..... An echo of a song comes to mind "it was all so simple then.. but time has rewritten every line".....the cancer learning process is a bit like that.

If you have not had a chance to skin through my lengthy links on the menstal cycle post please do they are thought provoking, and represent a few saved out of very many searches. The first three deal with treatment impact issues on your age group.

As always I am strictly amatuer, all I can do is provoke possible directions of exploration and provide a few links, and wonder why the health profession does not try / manage to provide easier access to guidance on these fundamantal issues.

The information you are seeking does not come in neat packages. I wish it was all so clear cut and effective that it did.

If this seems a bit sharp please excuse me I do not mean to be, the emotional toll of the decisions you are making is unimaginable for me, and I feel indignation for you that the answers are not there, but from all my reading there is no easy way but to spend the time to read it all up if you are the sort of person who needs to understand and know.

RB







http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?I...&date=20050901

Breast cancer drug "can stimulate tumour growth"

Published: 1st September 2005 10:26 CET

A drug prescribed to more than half of all patients suffering from breast cancer can in some cases actually stimulate tumour growth and increase the likelihood of a relapse, Swedish researchers said on Thursday.

The drug, tamoxifen, has since the 1970s been widely prescribed to fight breast cancer since it has shown to counteract the cancer-promoting effects of estrogen in the breast by binding itself to the estrogen receptor in the cancerous cell, thus impeding tumour growth.

According to new research conducted at the Malmö University Hospital, UMAS, in southern Sweden however, the drug can have the opposite effect on certain types of tumours.

"The result shows that tamoxifen is a very efficient treatment for most patients. But for 15 percent of tumours that contain many copies of the cell-splitting gene cyclin D1 tamoxifen however appears to have the opposite effect," researcher Karin Jirström said in a statement.

The study conducted by Jirström and her colleagues was based on examinations of patients from southern Sweden who had been treated with the drug. It was recently published in the US medical journal Cancer Researcher.

"It is important not to draw the conclusion of this study too far ... But this is the first time that patients have been identified on whom the treatment has had the opposite effect," researcher Göran Landberg said in the statement.

"Our findings in Malmö should immediately be tested in other studies to avoid negative effects of this otherwise very effective drug tamoxifen," he added.

AFP

I agree completely, for me the best thing is to read whatever I can get my hands on that might have some relevance. Unfortunately I don't always understand what I'm reading! I think it is pretty clear that an aromatase inhibitor is called for when one is definitely post menopausal. And I too have heard that tamoxifen may not work well with herceptin. What I haven't been able to pin down is which aromatase inhibitor works best in which situation. Many thanks for the links, and the sharing of research. Still interested in what aromatase inhibitor everyone is taking, arimidex or femara---

I'm show post meno, but taking Lupron to make sure I stay that way. Have been on Arimidex for about two months. My once said his is AI is choice because they have the most info on its track record. I'm also taking fosamex to help stave off bone loss, but feel like it is causing significant joint pain. Would be interested in knowing if anyone else is taking something to help with bone loss and any side effects.

Sassy
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Buy Bubblers

staving off bone loss
 

my onc suggested that I take citrical - its over the counter 600 mg in the a.m. 600 in the p.m. to stave off bone loss as i too, am on arimidex and luprone

Arimidex
 

I completed ac/taxol chemo in Feb05 and immediately started arimidex. I was premenopausal when I started chemo, based on hormone tests and the lack of any period whatsoever, postmenopausal when I was done.

My oncologist has stated that there is no difference in success in the arimidex versus the femara. I've only just started to research the data on femara vs arimidex as I am considering switching to the femara.

Will be interested to hear from others and will share any research I find on the topic.

Best wishes to you. These decisions are killers. I remember when I was first diagnosed with breast cancer back in 97. Because of my circumstances at the time, I went to 3 separate cancer centers for recommendations. I got 3 completely different answers. All were NCI centers, all renowned for bc care.

I sometimes wonder why in this day and age when we know more about breast cancer than ever, there is no definite answer to some questions. Then I realize the complexities of every breast cancer and I know why it is so hard.

Once again thank god for the people on sites like these who share their knowledge and experiences.

Ginagce

Calcium, Magnesium & Vitamin D
 

Forgot to add, I take the above to ward off bone loss. My oncologist has not suggested I do anything further. However I am concerned about this issue. Both my mother and grandmother had osteoporosis.

Ginagce

The reason doctors prefer Arimidex is that there are studies that prove that Arimidex works better than Tamoxifen head to head (ie: some women in the study took Taxoxifen and the others Arimidex).


Studies on the other 2 AIs (Femara and Aromosin) studied women who took 2 years of Tamoxifen and then half stayed on Tamoxifen and the other half were switched to Femara (another study switched half the women to Aromosin). These studies showed that the women who took 2 years of Tamoxifen then switched to an AI did better. Therefore, the other 2 were not proved (yet) to be better than Tamoxifen from the get go but were better than staying on Tamoxifen.

Femara also had another study that women who did their 5 years of Tamoxifen and then went on 5 years of Femara did better than women who did not (go on Femara after Tamoxifen).

This is the only reason doctors "like" Arimidex better (right now) and that's because of studies (Arimidex worked better without taking Tamoxifen first - however Femara and Aromosin studies will probably prove the same thing but doctors absolutely like proof - as we know LOL).

However, if Arimidex is giving you problems, I would definitely explore the others.

I got an oophorectomy in order to take Arimidex (along with adjuvant Herceptin).

Happy Holidays

Becky

Thanks Becky
 

I have considering switching from Arimidex to Femara to see if the side effects were any better but do not want to lose any of the effectiveness of Arimidex. Good info you shared.

Thanks and Happy Holidays to you and yours.

Ginagce

I'm on Arimidex too -- had a total hysterectomy in early November and am in my first month on Arimedex. I know there's a study exploring the effectiveness of the three major AIs -- I really don't know the reason why my onc preferred Arimidex ...

Jill

Here in France, my onc put me on Femara to take at night for less side effects. (My nails break but not any unbearable side effects.) He's one of the most famous here and travels constantly around the world to conferences so is generally up to date. next time I see him, I'll try to see why Femara over the other AIs. Also he didn't put me on any extra bone stuff because he wants to "save that" in case it's needed. I'll have a bone density test in jaunuary which should show if it's had a bad effect or not. I'm still on Herceptin and hoping and praying to stay on it. I'll also be curious to know what's he's learnt about the ER+ and PR+ equation. I'll be curious to hear if any of you learn more also.sarah

My onc put me on Fasolex, I guess I didin't relize all the different drug options. I've only had 2 herceptin doses, and i'm going for my second shot of faslodex this week. I was premen before chemo, but haven't had a period since sept. the doctor said that according to my drug tests, I'm still premen....What's the difference between arimidex and fasloex?

Sue

Special thanks to Becky, great studies you shared. I talked to my Dr. with Kaiser and he states arimidex and femara are basically similiar. They have a deal going with Femara so prefer to prescribe that. Now I am not all that confident in my Drs opinion so will continue to search for more info.

For Diane and Susan
 

Diane H - your doctor is right in that Arimidex and Femara work on inhibiting the same part of the (bio)chemical reaction where aromatase converts androgens into estrogen. Aromosin works on a different part of the reaction to prevent the synthesis of estrogen. Femara and Arimidex are non-steroidal and Aromosin is steroidal and the mechanisms are different but the end result is the same (no estrogen production in the adrenal glands or fat cells).

Faslodex is very much like Tamoxifen (blocks the estrogen receptors on the surface of breast cancer cells so estrogen cannot attach and signal cell growth and division). Arimidex and all AI's inhibit estrogen production outside of the ovaries (which is why you have to be post menopausal to take an AI). Thereby - no estrogen to bind to the estrogen receptor.

Take care

Becky

Femara
 

I am on Lupron and Femara. My oncologist put me on Femara because he said they have the most data. He sees them as very similar in the class. He switches pts. around if they fail on one.

Hi, I was not hormone responsive so it was not an issue to try Tamoxefin, I tried Femara as I went into early menopause from the chemo but it did nothing for me, later down the track I tried Aromasin and it shrunk some enlarged lymphs in my neck. I was told that Aromasin is one of the preferred drugs used when Tamoxefin no longer works. I had a friend on Tamoxefin for 12 months and for the whole time she had breathing problems and unbeknown she was developing clots on her lungs but this was not detected until she had 6 and it became a big issue, they were found when a CT was done while lying on her stomach. It seems that as our status can change it is a matter of trial and error, I know the Aromasin for me stopped eostrogen growing because I had to use Ovastin cream when I had a PAP smear and then it would come back normal.

Love & Hugs Lyn

I started Arimidex in April of 03. Am also getting "late" herceptin; about 7 month's worth so far. Have been taking Actonel ( a type of bisphosphenate used to treat osteoporosis) because bone density scan shows I now have osteopenia. Also take Calcium with vitamin D.

Have had body aches since initial treatment of CEF. Most of the main aches are around the ribs. I always hope these aches are from the medicine and from time to time I fret about it..........

Blessings. Barbara

Femara v Tamoxifen etc..
 

Here are some links.

I looked for the New England Journal article but all the ones I found were pay for view.

I searched NCBI and came up with the following. I also include the general link to the search result - plenty to look at if you have time and the subject is of interest.

No 15 looked useful being informative, gives comparative statistics side effects etc fro the AIs, and is not too technical so I have also posted a link on articles of interest.

RB

Clinical Update

The aromatase inhibitors in early breast cancer: who, when, and why?
Ilona C Nordman, Andrew J Spillane and Anne L Hamilton

http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/...r10037_fm.html

Abstract

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The aromatase inhibitors deplete oestrogen by inhibiting aromatase, the enzyme that synthesises oestrogen from androgens. They are effective as therapies for breast cancer only in postmenopausal women whose tumours express oestrogen or progesterone receptors.
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As adjuvant therapy, tamoxifen and the aromatase inhibitors have similar efficacy in the first 5 years of treatment. Aromatase inhibitors can be used as an alternative to tamoxifen in women with symptomatic intolerance or a contraindication to tamoxifen.
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Early data suggest that switching to an aromatase inhibitor after 2–5 years of tamoxifen therapy is beneficial in women with high-risk disease.
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Aromatase inhibitors are associated with more hot flushes than placebo, but with fewer hot flushes, less endometrial toxicity and venous thromboembolism, and more arthralgia, myalgia and bone fracture than tamoxifen.........


http://159.54.227.3/apps/pbcs.dll/ar.../51228053/1003

ABSTRACT

A study reported earlier this year in Europe and published in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine estimated that 84 percent of women given Femara versus 81 percent of those on tamoxifen would be alive without any signs of cancer five years after starting treatment.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum


1: MedGenMed. 2005 Aug 24;7(3):20. Related Articles, Links
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Benefit with aromatase inhibitors in the adjuvant setting for postmenopausal women with breast cancer.

Mouridsen HT, Robert NJ.

Department of Oncology, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark.

The third-generation aromatase inhibitors, letrozole, anastrozole, and exemestane, have been shown to be effective both as alternatives to tamoxifen in first-line treatment of hormone-sensitive advanced breast cancer in postmenopausal women and following failure of first-line tamoxifen for endocrine therapy. These 3 agents are now being investigated as adjuvant therapy of early breast cancer, as alternative or complementary treatments to the standard, tamoxifen. Three treatment strategies are under investigation: replacement of tamoxifen as adjuvant therapy for 5 years (early adjuvant therapy), sequencing of tamoxifen before or after an aromatase inhibitor during the first 5 years (early sequential adjuvant therapy), or following 5 years of tamoxifen (extended adjuvant therapy). In the first adjuvant trial (Arimidex, Tamoxifen Alone or in Combination [ATAC]), anastrozole was significantly superior to tamoxifen in reducing risk of disease recurrence, and recently, the Breast International Group (BIG) trial BIG 1-98 demonstrated the significant superiority of letrozole over tamoxifen in improving disease-free survival. A large trial (International Collaborative Cancer Group [ICCG] trial 96) investigated sequencing of 2 to 3 years of exemestane after 2 to 3 years of tamoxifen and found that switching to exemestane was significantly superior in disease-free survival compared with continuing on tamoxifen. The Arimidex or Nolvadex (ARNO) and the small ITA (Italian Tamoxifen Arimidex) trials similarly sequenced anastrozole after tamoxifen and also found that sequencing reduced the hazard of recurrence compared with remaining on tamoxifen. Trial MA.17 evaluated extended adjuvant therapy with letrozole vs placebo following 5 years of tamoxifen. Disease-free survival was significantly improved with letrozole vs placebo, irrespective of whether patients had lymph node-positive or node-negative tumors. All 3 aromatase inhibitors were generally well tolerated. Results of these trials indicate that aromatase inhibitors provide important benefits relative to tamoxifen in each of these adjuvant treatment settings, but the optimal approach still needs to be defined. Other trials continue to investigate some of these adjuvant treatment strategies.

PMID: 16369246 [PubMed - in process]



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

1: Clin Ther. 2005 Nov;27(11):1671-84. Related Articles, Links

Are all aromatase inhibitors the same? A review of controlled clinical trials in breast cancer.

Berry J.

BACKGROUND:: Five years of tamoxifen therapy hasbeen the standard of care for the adjuvant treatment of estrogen receptor-positive early-stage breast cancer for many years and was the first hormonal treatment for postmenopausal women with advanced or metastatic disease. The third-generation aromatase inhibitors (AIs) anastrozole, exemestane, and letrozole offer new treatment options, although their efficacy has not been compared directly in randomized, double-blind, controlled trials in any breast cancer treatment setting. OBJECTIVE:: The goal of this article was to review theresults of recent randomized, controlled clinical trials of the AIs in the settings of neoadjuvant, adjuvant, and advance d/metastatic breast cancer. METHODS:: MEDLINE was searched for descriptions of randomized, controlled clinical trials published from 1990 to 2005 using the terms breast cancer, aromatase, aromatase inhibitor, anastrozole, exemestane, and letrozole. Abstracts from the proceedings of several oncology meetings held between 2001 and 2005 were searched to capture relevant emerging data. RESULTS:: In 2 Phase III trials comparing an AI withtamoxifen for the adjuvant treatment of breast cancer in postmenopausal women, disease-free survival was significantly improved with anastrozole and letrozole compared with tamoxifen as initial adjuvant treatment (P = 0.01 and P = 0.003, respectively). A switch to either anastrozole (2 Phase III trials) or exemestane (1 Phase III trial) after 2 to 3 years of adjuvant tamoxifen therapy was more effective in reducing the risk of recurrence than continued tamoxifen therapy (P = 0.006, P < 0.002, and P < 0.001, respectively); data on switching to letrozole are expected soon. In another Phase III trial, letrozole was found to improve disease-free survival in the extended adjuvant setting (P :</= 0.001) and was the only AI consistently more effective than tamoxifen in the neoadjuvant setting. In 3 Phase III studies (1 letrozole vs tamoxifen, 2 anastrozole vs tamoxifen), both anastrozole and letrozole were more efficacious than tamoxifen in the first-line setting, and some patients receiving letrozole had better overall response rates compared with those receiving anastrozole in the second-line setting (19.1% vs 12.3%, respectively; P = 0.013). In a patient-preference study, those receiving letrozole reported fewer adverse events than those receiving anastrozole (43% vs 65%; P < 0.003), and more patients preferred letrozole to anastrozole (68% vs 32%; P < 0.01). CONCLUSIONS:: Currently, anastrozole and letrozoleare associated with the most complete data over the breast cancer care continuum, with efficacy in early-stage, locally advanced, and metastatic disease. In-direct comparisons suggest stronger evidence for the use of letrozole compared with other AIs for breast cancer in postmenopausal women who require estrogen-deprivation therapy. Data from randomized, double-blind comparative studies will help clarify the differences between AIs.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...moxifen+femara

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arimidex or femara for er+ and pr+ her2+++ bc ?
 

I think i read on the reports of the recent conference that arimidex had the best results on the ATAC trials with er+ pr- bc, femara as i remember worked equally well with er+ pr+, and er+ pr -, or at least wasnt adversley affected by pr receptor status. I m in my 4 th week of arimidex and have just had my second zoladex injection, so far it s not been too bad, although my GGT levels were elevated in my last blood chemistry i m not sure if that could be down to zoladex arimidex or the 2 glasses of wine i had the week before !! Does anyone know anything more about the best aromatase inhibitors for er and pr receptive bc ? thanks !!

Femara Article
 

Not exactly what you're after but thought this article interesting enough to post.

Newer drug effective against early breast cancer
Femara works better than Tamoxifen at preventing recurrence, study finds
The Associated Press

Updated: 5:26 p.m. ET Dec. 28, 2005



A second member of a new class of drugs has proved more effective than the gold standard, tamoxifen, at preventing breast cancer from recurring in women who received the medicine as initial therapy right after surgery.

The drug, Femara, is expected to win Food and Drug Administration approval soon for women who are past menopause and have early breast cancer. It is already approved for treating advanced cases of the disease.

Femara and Arimidex, a similar drug already licensed for early breast cancer, are aromatase inhibitors, which block production of estrogen, a hormone that fuels the growth of most tumors that develop after menopause. Tamoxifen works differently, by blunting the ability of estrogen to enter cells.

A study reported earlier this year in Europe and published in Thursday’s New England Journal of Medicine estimated that 84 percent of women given Femara versus 81 percent of those on tamoxifen would be alive without any signs of cancer five years after starting treatment.

The estimates were based on roughly two years of information on relapses among the 8,000 women in the study, done by researchers in the United States, Europe and Australia.

It was financed by Femara’s maker, Novartis. Many of the researchers own stock in or are consultants for Novartis or companies with rival drugs.

Several other studies have shown Femara or Arimidex to be better either as initial treatment or after a couple years of tamoxifen.

“These trials, with close to 30,000 participants, consistently demonstrate that treatment with an aromatase inhibitor alone or after tamoxifen treatment is beneficial,” Dr. Sandra Swain of the National Cancer Institute wrote in an editorial in the journal.

The challenge now is figuring out how long women should take these drugs, which drug is best, and whether switching drugs at some point is helpful, she wrote.

Tamoxifen remains the top choice for women who get breast cancer before menopause because aromatase inhibitors aren’t thought to be effective then.

Aromatase inhibitors do not raise the risk of blood clots or endometrial cancer as tamoxifen does, but they do increase the chances of bone problems such as osteoporosis. Women are often advised to take supplements or other medications to maintain bone density.

A third aromatase inhibitor, Pfizer Inc.’s Aromasin, also has shown promise for preventing recurrence when given after several years of tamoxifen. But it has not yet been tested against tamoxifen as initial therapy the way Femara and AstraZeneca PLC’s Arimidex have been.

Each year, about 800,000 women around the world are diagnosed with early breast cancer and about three-fourths are of the type that might benefit from these drugs.

© 2005 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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Wow, what awesome info. Lia, I was especially interested in the ER+ PR- study. Will look that one up. And Gingace brought up an interesting study that asks another question, how long should we stay on these AI's.

link for information about femara and pr +
 

http://clinicaloptions.com/Oncology/...vant%20Therapy

This is my first attempt at posting a link , dont know if it will work ..but this is where i first read about arimidex working better for er+ pgr - than er+ pgr+ in the ATAC trials, but i dont think this is the article that said that femara was equally good regardless of pgr status, to paraphrase it probably very simplistically ! It was definitely somewhere on this clinical options site which you have to register to use , when i find it i will repost... and attempt to print it out to show my oncologist who i ve only just persuaded to let me have arimidex !!

I put "arimidex working better for er+ pgr - than er+ pgr+" into google and heres the first four that came which all relate to the search term.

The medscape link also includes a section on herceptin. It is free you just have to register. I have included an abstract on ER and Tamoxifen, and the use of oncogene testing.

RB


http://www.susanlovemd.org/community...usa_mayer.html

http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/notfromadper.html

http://www.jco.org/cgi/content/full/22/9/1605

http://www.medscape.com/viewprogram/4205_pnt

Abstract


Molecular Predictors of Tamoxifen Benefit

One of the most exciting diagnostic tools to emerge in recent years has been the OncotypeDX recurrence score assay from Genomic Health. This assay quantifies the expression of 21 genes in breast tumors based on RNA retrieved from paraffin-embedded, formalin-fixed tissue. The recurrence score has been translated into an absolute risk of tumor recurrence through 10 years of follow-up among women with ER+, node-negative breast cancer. Investigators[9] from the National Surgical Adjuvant Breast and Bowel Project (NSABP) have sought to determine whether this recurrence score, which appears to risk-stratify patients very successfully, can also predict which tumors benefit from tamoxifen. They characterized the recurrence score for tumors of patients in NSABP B-14, a randomized trial of placebo vs tamoxifen. Patients in B-14 had node-negative, ER+ tumors. Previous studies had shown that the lower the recurrence score, the lower the risk of recurrence. New data have used the recurrence score to determine which patients may benefit from tamoxifen (Table 2).
Table 2. Recurrence Score and Tamoxifen Benefit in NSABP B-14
Recurrence Score 10-Year Distant
Disease Free Survival Gains With Tamoxifen
Placebo Tamoxifen Absolute
Benefit Relative
Risk Reduction
Low (< 18) 85.9% 93.1% 7.2% 51%
Intermediate (18-30) 62.5% 79.5% 17.3% 46%
High (> 30) 68.7% 70.3% 1.6% 5%

These data suggest the following: First, tamoxifen dramatically reduces the risk of recurrence in some, but not all breast cancers. Tumors with low or intermediate recurrence scores, which tend to have higher levels of ER expression, grade 1-2 features, and be HER-2-negative, derive tremendous benefit from tamoxifen treatment, with nearly 50% reduction in risk. By contrast, tumors with high recurrence scores, which tend to be lower ER expressors and to have poorly differentiated features and sometimes HER-2 expression, derive minimal benefit from tamoxifen. Previous research by the same group has shown that patients with these high-recurrence-score tumors derive substantial benefit from chemotherapy. It is important to note that these data refer only to patients treated with tamoxifen; whether the recurrence score is valid among patients treated with an AI is not known.

A key clinical point is that we can now refine our understanding of which patients have a more favorable prognosis due to tumor sensitivity to tamoxifen, and conversely, which patients may yet derive substantial benefit from chemotherapy because they are relatively insensitive to endocrine manipulation. Thus, this type of testing has the potential to dramatically refine patient selection for important adjuvant clinical treatments.

Here is a link to the "FULL PERSCRIBING INFORMATION" for femara.

PAGE 5 has a table of DFS disease free survival by receptor status nodal status etc.

It looks like a VERY useful document for those who are specifically interested. I am out of my depth as to the various significances of disease classification.

RB

http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/20...726s011lbl.pdf

Regarding Arimidex versus Tamoxifen, the effectiveness is reportedly to be 84% versus 81%. The NEJM article concluded that Arimidex (or Femara) is much superior than Tamoxifen.

I don't know where these doctors received their education. From my school training and statistics, I wouldn't call 84 versus 81 a very significant major break through. The poor patients in the 16 or 19 group are equally suffering. Looking back also on the efficacy of Herceptin in the NEJM recently, there was a similar undue exuberance on the data. The recurrence rate after Herceptin treatment was still very high.

I don't want to sound like a pessimist. Any forward movement to conquor this dreadful disease is always a welcome step. Nevertheless, we need to be scientifically and factually realistic, and put all data under correct perspective. The editorial on Herceptin in the October NEJM issue was simply overstepping the boundary of honest reporting and give readers a false sense of security. Medical research is indeed making rapid headway, but we are far from resolving this difficult problem yet. Meanwhile, we need to remain alert and strong, using all tools available to us, diligently and persistently in the search of the best defense plan on an individual basis.

Ann

arimidex v femara for her2 +++ still confused !!
 

I spent ages last night googling (!!) and am no less confused ! Basically my understanding is that arimidex is better than tamoxifen for her2 , but that generally ( ie not taking her2 as a consideration ) 2 yrs of tamoxifen then 3 of arimidex is best for er+ pgr+ bc which is what i am... along with her2 +. I cant find the references to femara and er/pgr + anywhere... I m sure I read it in the clinical options site but cannot find it now.I will continue to search.... the problem is( and i m sure everyone else has found this too ! ) that her2 is almost a law unto itself and there s not enough written about it, on breastcancer. org i read that her2 bc is more likely to be hormone receptor negative , which was quoted to me back in feb. which is probably true but doesnt help much when you are n't. So sorry if i ve further confused anyone !

Page 5 line 174 suggests they did look at er and pgr+ if that is the same thing, but I could not find a table of separate results but maybe if you entered the trial details into NCBI or google the full trial if available /findable may help - how about emailing Novartis?.



RB

http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/20...726s011lbl.pdf