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Sherry in WV
05-24-2006, 03:30 PM
I am stage IV bc with mets to liver. Dx in 2002, her+ er neg. I have been on numerous chemo, but had to stop all them before tx was done due to low counts. My cancer has never reoccurred in my breast or mets to any place else. Now my disease in the liver is growing rapidly. I have been on herceptin since 2002, My liver is full of lesions. I am starting to get that wonderful yellowlook that comes with liver failure. I am on Xeloda, but no longer working.
We discussed Abraxine, but the Doc is afraid that my counts will fall and he won't be able to bring them back up. I can no longer make plts and my ct is always low. We tried megace and it put me in CHF. I also had a cerbral bleed in March (along with renal failure, chf, metabolic encepalopathy) They had my husband call my family in, My poor daughter had to come from her Honeymoon. The Doctors have told me it was a miracle when I woke up.
Anyway I was in coma for 4 days and had renal dialysis. I feel good at present time, but Onc has told me maybe 3 mos. I am not afraid of dying, I am afraid of not living, you know seeing my new Grandson grow up, or my Granddaughtere who lives with us, go to prom, learn to drive, ect,,,
Anyway, has anyone had this problem and if so what did you do? What treatment did you takeThanks for listening.
Sherry

karenann
05-24-2006, 04:20 PM
Sherry,

There is a new drug by the name of Lapatinib that is being used for women who are no longer responding to Herceptin. One of the women on this board, who has liver mets is in a clinical trial using this drug and she is responding. Her name is Nicola and I am sure if she sees your post, she will reply.

Anyway, if you look in the clinical trial section and the message board, you will find loads of information regarding this drug.

I sure hope this helps. Best of luck to you.

Karen

DeborahNC
05-24-2006, 05:05 PM
(Sherry)

You've been through so much! I wish I had some sage advice, but I know there are others here who will chime in. Hugs.

lexigirl
05-24-2006, 06:50 PM
Sherry,

I am sorry that I do not have any information on different chemo regimines. I want to let you know that I am thinking of you and saying prayers. Stay strong, sister.

Love and Prayers,
Lexi

Cathya
05-25-2006, 07:07 AM
Sherry;

This was on the Mayo Clinic Site.

Metronomic chemotherapy: Low-dose chemotherapy for advanced cancers

Metronomic chemotherapy delivers lower doses of chemotherapy more often, causing fewer side effects. Researchers hope it can one day improve cancer treatment.



It seems contrary to current cancer therapy, but cancer researchers are investigating whether smaller doses of chemotherapy drugs could be more effective in certain situations. Researchers call it metronomic chemotherapy, referring to the steady schedule of chemotherapy doses. And they're finding that in the case of some people with advanced cancers or cancer that has become resistant to chemotherapy, less may be more successful.

Traditional chemotherapy treatment delivers the highest doses possible to kill cancer cells. Along with large doses come significant side effects. Metronomic chemotherapy aims to lessen the side effects of treatment while rendering cancer cells inactive. Researchers hope metronomic chemotherapy will one day make cancer a manageable chronic condition.

What is metronomic chemotherapy?

Metronomic chemotherapy uses traditional chemotherapy drugs in a new way. Rather than receiving the largest dose of chemotherapy possible, people undergoing metronomic chemotherapy receive as little as one-tenth the normal dose. Smaller doses are less damaging to healthy cells in the body, so chemotherapy can be administered more frequently — sometimes every day.

People undergoing traditional chemotherapy treatment usually wait weeks between treatments to let their healthy cells recover. For instance, you may need to wait until your blood counts are restored to acceptable levels before you can receive your next chemo treatment. Unfortunately this interval between treatments also allows the cells that help supply oxygen and nutrients to a tumor (endothelial cells) time to heal and regenerate so they can revive the cancer cells.

Metronomic chemotherapy targets the tumor's endothelial cells, rather than the cancer cells. Endothelial cells are found in the tumor's blood vessels. By killing the endothelial cells, the blood supply is cut off. Without a blood supply, cancer cells may die or the tumor may shrink. Tumors without blood supplies remain very small — usually less than 3 millimeters.

A drug that alters the blood supply to a tumor is called an angiogenesis inhibitor. Angiogenesis refers to the process of growing blood vessels. Metronomic chemotherapy is sometimes called anti-angiogenic chemotherapy.

Traditional chemotherapyMetronomic chemotherapyDose Highest possible doseOne-tenth to one-third of the traditional doseWait between doses WeeksDaysCells targeted Cancer cellsEndothelial cells that provide nutrients to tumorGoal of treatment Kill cancer cellsStop endothelial cells from supporting the cancer cellsMost useful for Adjuvant therapy for people with early-stage cancers, or certain rapidly growing chemotherapy-sensitive tumorsLarge tumors that can't be removed through surgery, or cancer that has spread
What are the advantages of metronomic chemotherapy?

Metronomic chemotherapy lessens the severity of the side effects caused by traditional chemotherapy. Although side effects aren't completely eliminated, they're generally more tolerable when chemotherapy is administered in smaller doses.

Metronomic chemotherapy can be used in people whose cancers are resistant to chemotherapy. Because cancer cells are constantly mutating, they may become resistant to chemotherapy drugs. When this occurs, high-dose chemotherapy is no longer effective. But endothelial cells are genetically stable, which means they don't mutate and can't become drug resistant. Even though a drug may no longer be effective against cancer cells, the same drug can still be useful in targeting the endothelial cells.

Metronomic chemotherapy may also enhance the effects of angiogenesis inhibitors — drugs that alter the blood supply to tumors. Only one angiogenesis inhibitor is currently approved for use in cancer, but researchers are working on several more. The combination of drugs may one day work together to halt the supply of oxygen and nutrients to tumors.

How is metronomic chemotherapy being studied?

Researchers are investigating metronomic chemotherapy in clinical trials for a variety of different cancers. Most trials pair metronomic chemotherapy with an angiogenesis inhibitor. Some studies have shown that together, the two types of drugs are more likely to cause tumors to shrink.

Researchers are also investigating metronomic chemotherapy as a maintenance therapy given after initial treatment. For instance, you might receive standard treatments to shrink your cancer to a manageable size and then take daily metronomic chemotherapy to keep the cancer in check.

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Cathy

Cathya
05-25-2006, 07:10 AM
Also, what about a lapitinib trial?

Hang in there. God bless

Cathy

heblaj01
05-25-2006, 07:52 AM
Sherry,

Ask your onc if you can take evening primerose oil pill supplements (for their GLA content). There is not yet human proof of efficacy but in laboratory experiments GLA (whose mode of action is not the same as Herceptin) was synergestic with Herceptin.
Also for kidney support you may ask if CoQ10 pills are advisable.
Finally based on a reply by an onc to the question of "what to do if Herceptin does not work?" he said he would try adding low dose (because of poor general status & advanced age) Navelbine. The Herceptin+ Navebine combo has recently been shown to be an effective one.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=pubmed

http://ezinearticles.com/?Renal-Failure:-CoQ10-may-Improve-Kidney-Function&id=94137

Sherry in WV
05-25-2006, 08:53 AM
Thank you for all the advice. I am trying to get on a Lapnitap? trials, but always seem to miss them. My Onc thinks that it will be available after June 3rd. There is some sort of conference that week and he feels it will be the "big unvailing" I will try the primrose. I am up for anything. I am trying hard to live longer. I have made my funeral arrangements and all that, but as I said, I have so much to see yet. I am also printing the article about low dose chemo and will give it to my Onc. He is great and is open to anything, He always has time to sit and talk with me.
God bless you all, a pray for all of you each night. Your support means so much.
Love and Peace
Sherry

Cathya
05-25-2006, 09:24 AM
Sherry;

Hang in there. I got the article on Antiangiogenesis from a posting by heblaj01. You might want to print the other part for your onc. Here is her original posting. Cathy

By the way, I'm sure your doctor could get lapitinib directly from the pharmaceutical company on a compassionate basis. Email Joe. He knows about this sort of thing.

Update On Antiangiogenesis
The Mayo Clinic in an article today titled Angiogenesis inhibitors: New cancer drugs stop tumor growth
(http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/angiogenesis/CA00079)
provides an updated summary of the of the field of antiangiogenesis in the treatment of cancer. No new developments but a worthwile link to an article on metronomic chemotherapy protocols:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/me...therapy/CA00077 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metronomic-chemotherapy/CA00077)

This may be of interest to those becoming resistant to standard high dose chemotherapy drugs (or unable to tolerate them) as the same chemo drugs may still function as low dose angiogenesis inhibitors with decreased side effects.

callen03
05-25-2006, 09:28 AM
Sherry, I am praying for you in Texas. Don't give up.

R.B.
05-25-2006, 10:28 AM
Sherry you might like to have a look at the omega three six posts clicking on the search button above..

Here is one you may like to talk to your onc about if you have run / are running out of options. It is thought provoking. Fats are very powerful agents so it is essential your talk to your advisors about any major dietary changes.

http://www.her2support.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=23104&highlight=thought+provoking

Vitacost has well priced supplements CoQ10, lipoic acid, and bottles of a good quality fish oil based on cod liver oil with no after taste and affordable prices, if these in any way figure in your thoughts.

You might want to look up liver function DHA etc on the NCBI site. DHA (found in fish oil) is reported to help with with alcohol damage so it may have wider benifits. If you dont feel up to it please post back and I will see if I can find anything.

There is lots there here is a link on a basic search which you will need to refine with 400+ items in just this section.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed&cmd=search&term=Liver+function+DHA

You sound like you have had a bad time recently, and are being very brave about it.

I hope things improve for you

RB

heblaj01
05-25-2006, 10:42 AM
Sherry,
If your onc is unsure about using metronomic treatments, he can get up to date info (including probably unpublished data) on efficacy & side effects from these researchers & clinicians:

Dr Mark Kieran (617-632-4907)
Who has done trials with children at Boston Dana Farber

Dr. Bob Kerbel (416-480-5711)
Who has done research (& I believe studies with adults) at Toronto Sunnybrook

Dr. Judah Folkman, (617-919-2346)
Who originated the field of antiangiogenesis therapy & is active in research & practice at Harvard Un. hospital.
He has in the past found unexpected treatments to save patients with difficult cancer cases.

VaMoonRise
05-25-2006, 02:49 PM
Sherry,

I am so sorry that you are not doing well. As someone already posted I am on the Lapatinib trial consisting of Herceptin, Lapatinib and Taxol. I too have numerous lesions to the liver, too many to even count. I also have two spots on the spine. I am responding really well to the treatments. The two largest tumors in the liver have shrunken greatly and my tumor markers are around 14. I really think that if you can get on Lapatinib along with something else that you will truly start to improve. I am going to list the info I have on who you can contact to try to get on Lapatinib. Sometimes if you contact the pharmaceutical company directly they will go out of their way to get you on the drug, it is called "compassion drug therapy" or some such name. If you can't get on a trial I would definitely contact them directly.

I will be praying diligently for you and your family. If there is anything I can do to help please don't hesitate to ask, even if is doing some of the leg work for you.

This is the study doctor for the Lapatinib trial, she is also my Onc:
M. Kelly Hagan MD
Virginia Cancer Institute
6605 W. Broad St. Ste. B, Richmond, VA 23230
(804) 288-7159
AFTER HOURS # (804) 287-3000


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Big Hugs,
Nicola