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Old 05-03-2015, 01:36 AM   #1
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Exclamation new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!!

Breast Cancer Res. 2015 Apr 24;17(1):57. [Epub ahead of print]
Adipose cells promote resistance of breast cancer cells to trastuzumab-mediated antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity.
Duong MN1, Cleret A2, Matera EL3, Chettab K4, Mathé D5, Valsesia-Wittmann S6, Clémenceau B7,8, Dumontet C9,10.


Abstract Introduction
Trastuzumab has been used in the treatment of human epidermal growth factor receptor 2 (HER2)-expressing breast cancer but its efficacy is limited due to de novo or acquired resistance. Although many mechanisms have been proposed to explain the resistance to trastuzumab, little is known concerning the role of the tumor microenvironment. Given the importance of antibody-dependent cell-mediated cytotoxicity (ADCC) in the antitumor effect of trastuzumab and the abundance of adipose tissue in breast, we investigated the impact of adipocytes on ADCC.
Methods
We set up a co-culture system to study the effect of adipocytes on ADCC in vitro. The results were validated in vivo in xenograft mice.
Results
We found that adipocytes, as well as preadipocytes, inhibited trastuzumab-mediated ADCC in HER2-expressing breast cancer cells via the secretion of soluble factors. The inhibition of ADCC was not due to a titration or a degradation of the antibody. We found that adipose cells decreased the secretion of interferon-gamma by natural killer cells, but did not alter their cytotoxicity. Pre-incubation of breast cancer cells with the conditioned medium derived from adipocytes reduced the sensitivity of cancer cells to ADCC. Using a transcriptomic approach, we found that cancer cells undergo major modifications when exposed to adipocyte- conditioned medium. Importantly, breast tumor grafted next to lipoma displayed resistance to trastuzumab in xenograft mouse models.
Conclusions
Collectively, our findings underline the importance of adipose tissue in the resistance to trastuzumab, and suggest that approaches targeting the adipocyte-cancer cell crosstalk may help sensitize cancer cells to trastuzumab-based therapy.
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Old 05-03-2015, 07:08 PM   #2
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

My brain can't wrap around what this means. Can someone tell me in laymen terms?? Thanks!
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Mammogram 2012, 2013 no change
Mammogram July 8, 2014, more microcalcifications and mass (10mm per radiologist)
Diagnostic Mammogram July 10, 2014
Steriactic Biopsy July 15, 2014
July 21 given diagnosis DCIS and IDC upper, Outer quadrant of right breast
ER Pos >95%. PR Pos 90%, HER-2-neu positive (score +3) Grade 3
Breast surgeon on July 29, 2014 says 2 cm
MRI states only mild to moderate bilateral physiologic background parenchymal enhancement with uptake on intermammary nodes
BRCA tests all negative :)
August 8 port placement. Lung partially collapsed. On oxygen until further notice
August 9, '14 started TCPH therapy with nuelasta shots. 6 cycles @ 3 weeks
5th treatment T and C dosages lowered due to bad neuropathy
6th and last TCPH changed to PH only for Dec 1st
Lumpectomy and node biopsy Dec 2
100% complete response from TCPH neoadjuvent therapy: tumor completely gone-dead cells only. Node completely free of ANY cells. Staged at 0! Margins clear from 4mm-10mm from dead cells.
2 week period following surgery went in for draining of Hematoma that filled surgery void area in breast 3 times
Continued with Herceptin only December 22, 2014 @ 3 weeks until ???
Started radiation Jan. 7, 2015 plan is for 16-20 rads
january 25th 2015 last radiation completed. Stopped at 16 due to Seroma (void in breast is filled with fluid)
January 30 Tamoxifan started
Still on oxygen, tamoxifen side effects kicking my butt. Seeing a gastro dr. due to a lot of stomach issues.
July 2015 - 3D mammogram nervous as all hell - but came back clean!!!! YEAAH
March 2016 - only using oxygen at night! Stomach issues better and trying to wean off the heartburn meds. Am hoping to get reconstructive done Jan 2017.
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Old 05-03-2015, 09:02 PM   #3
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

Anyone feels free to jump in if I am not correct.

Essentially researchers discover (via test tube and mouse model) that another possible cause of Herceptin might be fatty cells, particularly if breast cancer cells grow next to fatty cells. The abstract implies two Herceptin resistance mechanisms for tumor cells growing next to fatty cells. These tumor cells undergo some sort of changes, and the fatty cells cause the immune system killer cells to reduce the number of bullets it can fire at the cancer cells. So the researchers suggest develop treatment that block communication between fatty and tumor cells.

So the message is to reduce fat intake (hence hold off those sundaes). Strangely enough obesity is a cancer risk factor for post menopause women, but slightly decreases bc risk for pre menopause women. Post menopause women have less hormone so it's another clue.

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Old 05-03-2015, 10:33 PM   #4
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

Sounds as if I must watch my weight if I want Herceptin to keep on working - and I do!
Thanks Lani.
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Old 05-04-2015, 07:39 AM   #5
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

Ladies, I am really struggling here. It seems post treatment, with the chemo-induced post-menopause, or the tamoxifen introduction (which I have now switched to Femara) -- altho' I have researched and am only eating the best of veggies and antioxidant foods... And altho' I am working out like I never have in my life, the weight just flew on starting in January, growing through March, and I'll say April with the switch to Femara, it has slowed some (or is it that in March April I started working out like crazy?). But if to keep cancer from returning we must be slim, I'm having a hard time getting back to slim or slender.
Two hours a day in the gym is possible while I'm still off work, but I cannot imagine what I'll do after I go back to work. I keep working out in hopes I don't have to buy new clothes to interview in. I am up at least two dress sizes.
I love that I am NED, but being scared of a return, this weight thing has me stymied in what to do.
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Old 05-05-2015, 10:59 PM   #6
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Wink Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

It seems that the fatty tissue may be the culprit, so cutting the fat intake in conjunction with firming up should help.

Not sure actual "weight" is the factor - mainly the composition of a person's body weight.

Keep moving Lizz, as this is good overall in our rehab from the ills of chemo.
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Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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Old 05-06-2015, 07:52 AM   #7
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

Interesting that that are saying it is the fat is the culprit given the fact that women with dense breasts are more prone to getting cancer; however, women with dense breasts have less fat and more connective tissue in their breasts... Doesn't make sense, but then nothing about cancer really does!
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Steriactic biopsy July 2011 for microcalicificarions - negative
Mammogram 2012, 2013 no change
Mammogram July 8, 2014, more microcalcifications and mass (10mm per radiologist)
Diagnostic Mammogram July 10, 2014
Steriactic Biopsy July 15, 2014
July 21 given diagnosis DCIS and IDC upper, Outer quadrant of right breast
ER Pos >95%. PR Pos 90%, HER-2-neu positive (score +3) Grade 3
Breast surgeon on July 29, 2014 says 2 cm
MRI states only mild to moderate bilateral physiologic background parenchymal enhancement with uptake on intermammary nodes
BRCA tests all negative :)
August 8 port placement. Lung partially collapsed. On oxygen until further notice
August 9, '14 started TCPH therapy with nuelasta shots. 6 cycles @ 3 weeks
5th treatment T and C dosages lowered due to bad neuropathy
6th and last TCPH changed to PH only for Dec 1st
Lumpectomy and node biopsy Dec 2
100% complete response from TCPH neoadjuvent therapy: tumor completely gone-dead cells only. Node completely free of ANY cells. Staged at 0! Margins clear from 4mm-10mm from dead cells.
2 week period following surgery went in for draining of Hematoma that filled surgery void area in breast 3 times
Continued with Herceptin only December 22, 2014 @ 3 weeks until ???
Started radiation Jan. 7, 2015 plan is for 16-20 rads
january 25th 2015 last radiation completed. Stopped at 16 due to Seroma (void in breast is filled with fluid)
January 30 Tamoxifan started
Still on oxygen, tamoxifen side effects kicking my butt. Seeing a gastro dr. due to a lot of stomach issues.
July 2015 - 3D mammogram nervous as all hell - but came back clean!!!! YEAAH
March 2016 - only using oxygen at night! Stomach issues better and trying to wean off the heartburn meds. Am hoping to get reconstructive done Jan 2017.
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Old 05-06-2015, 08:04 AM   #8
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

I'm reluctant to jump from what this study says to concluding that eating fat can make you Herceptin resistant. Fat in food gets metabolized--i.e. used for running our bodies, including several processes/tissues that require fatty acids. Excess calories get stored as adipose tissue, regardless of the source of the excess calories. So the sugar in those sundaes is just as likely to form adipose tissue as the fat.

I've seen a lot of references to "tumor microenvironment" lately. That does argue for a holistic approach to health, including controlling stress and anxiety, boosting the immune system, exercising, and eating foods that are high in antioxidant and anti-inflammatory compounds. Besides, those foods and spices are delicious.
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4/19/11 Diagnosed invasive ductal carcinoma in left breast; 2.3 cm tumor, 1 axillary lymph node, weakly ER+, HER2+++
4/29/11 CT scan shows suspicious lesions on liver and lungs
5/17/11 liver biopsy
5/24/11 liver met confirmed--Stage IV at diagnosis
5/27/11 Begin weekly Taxol & Herceptin for 3 months (standard of care at the time of my DX)
7/18/11 Switch to weekly Abraxane & Herceptin due to Taxol allergy
8/29/11 CT scan shows no new lesions & old lesions shrinking
9/27/11 Finish Abraxane. Start Herceptin every 3 weeks. Begin taking Arimidex
10/17/11--Brain MRI--No Brain mets
12/5/11 PET scan--Almost NED
5/15/12 PET scan shows progression-breast/chest/spine (one vertebra)
5/22/12 Stop taking Arimidex; stay on Herceptin
6/11/12 Started Tykerb and Herceptin on clinical trial (w/no chemo)
9/24/12 CT scan--No new mets. Everything stable.
3/11/13 CT Scan--two small new possible mets and odd looking area in left lung getting larger.
4/2/13--Biopsy of suspicious area in lower left lung. Mets to lung confirmed.
4/30/13 Begin Kadcyla/TDM-1
8/16/13 PET scan "mixed," with some areas of increased uptake, but also some definite improvement, so I'll stay on TDM-1/Kadcyla.
11/11/13 Finally get hormone receptor results from lung biopsy of 4/2/13. My cancer is no longer ER positive.
11/13/13 PET scan mixed results again. We're calling it "stable." Problems breathing on exertion.
2/18/14 PET scan shows a new lesion and newly active lymph node in chest, other progression. Bye bye TDM-1.
2/28/14 Begin Herceptin/Perjeta every 3 weeks.
6/8/14 PET "mixed," with no new lesions, and everything but lower lungs improving. My breathing is better.
8/18/14 PET "mixed" again. Upper lungs & one spine met stable, lower lungs less FDG avid, original tumor more avid, one lymph node in mediastinum more avid.
9/1/14 Begin taking Xeloda one week on, one week off. Will also stay on Herceptin and Perjeta every three weeks.
12/11/14 PET Scan--no new lesions, and everything looks better than it did.
3/20/15 PET Scan--no new lesions, but lower lung lesions larger and a bit more avid.
4/13/15 Increasing Xeloda dose to 10 days on, one week off.
7/1/15 Scan "mixed" again, but suggests continuing progression. Stop Xeloda. Substitute Abraxane every 3 weeks starting 7/13.
10/28/15 PET scan shows dramatic improvement everywhere. All lesions except lower lungs have resolved; lower lungs noticeably improved.
12/18/15 Last Abraxane. Continue on Herceptin and Perjeta alone beginning 1/8/16.
1/27/16 PET scan shows cancer is stable.
5/11/16 PET scan shows uptake in some areas that were resolved on the last two scans.
6/3/16 Begin Kadcyla and Tykerb combination
6/5 - 6/23 Horrible diarrhea from K&T together. Got pneumonia.
7/15/16 Begin Kadcyla only every 3 weeks.
9/6/16 Begin radiation therapy on right lung lesion that caused the pneumonia.
10/3/16 Last of 12 radiation treatments to right lung.
11/4/16 Huffing and puffing, low O2, high heart rate, on tiniest bit of exertion. Diagnosed as radiation pneumonitis. Treated with Prednisone.
11/11/16 PET scan shows significant improvement to radiated part of right lung BUT a bunch of new lung lesions, and the bone met is getting worse.
11/22/16 Begin Eribulin and Herceptin. H every 3 weeks. E two weeks on, one week off.
3/6/17 Scan shows progression in lungs. Bone met a little better.
3/23/17 Lung biopsy. Tumor sampled is ER-, PR+ (5%), HER2+++. Getting Herceptin and Perjeta as a maintenance treatment.
5/31/17 Port placement
6/1/17 Start Navelbine & Tykerb
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Old 05-06-2015, 08:19 AM   #9
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Re: new cause of resistance to herceptin IDd-- hold off on those ice cream sundaes!!!

I have come to the conclusion that I can only do so much. I also have given up so many vices, that the idea of giving up everything I like would make me miserable and stressed. I hereby give it all to God. When it is my time He will take me. In the meantime, I will pray for good health and I will enjoy my ice cream!��
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Steriactic biopsy July 2011 for microcalicificarions - negative
Mammogram 2012, 2013 no change
Mammogram July 8, 2014, more microcalcifications and mass (10mm per radiologist)
Diagnostic Mammogram July 10, 2014
Steriactic Biopsy July 15, 2014
July 21 given diagnosis DCIS and IDC upper, Outer quadrant of right breast
ER Pos >95%. PR Pos 90%, HER-2-neu positive (score +3) Grade 3
Breast surgeon on July 29, 2014 says 2 cm
MRI states only mild to moderate bilateral physiologic background parenchymal enhancement with uptake on intermammary nodes
BRCA tests all negative :)
August 8 port placement. Lung partially collapsed. On oxygen until further notice
August 9, '14 started TCPH therapy with nuelasta shots. 6 cycles @ 3 weeks
5th treatment T and C dosages lowered due to bad neuropathy
6th and last TCPH changed to PH only for Dec 1st
Lumpectomy and node biopsy Dec 2
100% complete response from TCPH neoadjuvent therapy: tumor completely gone-dead cells only. Node completely free of ANY cells. Staged at 0! Margins clear from 4mm-10mm from dead cells.
2 week period following surgery went in for draining of Hematoma that filled surgery void area in breast 3 times
Continued with Herceptin only December 22, 2014 @ 3 weeks until ???
Started radiation Jan. 7, 2015 plan is for 16-20 rads
january 25th 2015 last radiation completed. Stopped at 16 due to Seroma (void in breast is filled with fluid)
January 30 Tamoxifan started
Still on oxygen, tamoxifen side effects kicking my butt. Seeing a gastro dr. due to a lot of stomach issues.
July 2015 - 3D mammogram nervous as all hell - but came back clean!!!! YEAAH
March 2016 - only using oxygen at night! Stomach issues better and trying to wean off the heartburn meds. Am hoping to get reconstructive done Jan 2017.
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