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11-06-2009, 10:34 AM
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for Stage IV--if at first you do not succeed (with herceptin combo), try try again!!
It seems that the time to progression with the first herceptin based combination therapy given after becoming Stage IV predicts how long one would take to progress on the second herceptin based combo therapy.
Another argument backing "herceptin beyond progression" to use with governments, insurance companies who want to stop herceptin once progression occurs and "throw the baby out with the bathwater"
Herceptin, for now, seems to be the framework upon which other agents are added to achieve the longest possible times to progression. Lapatinib, for now, seems perhaps best added to herceptin rather than replacing it.
All these "for nows" just means until more data comes in from other studies.
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11-06-2009, 11:30 AM
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Re: for Stage IV--if at first you do not succeed (with herceptin combo), try try agai
EXACTLY what my onc has been talking about for the last 6-8 months. Thanks Lani.
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Brenda
NOV 2012 - 9 yr anniversary
JULY 2012 - 7 yr anniversary stage IV (of 50...)
Nov'03~ dX stage 2B
Dec'03~ Rt side mastectomy, Her2+, ER/PR+, 10 nodes out, one node positive
Jan'04~ Taxotere/Adria/Cytoxan x 6, NED, no Rads, Tamox. 1 year, Arimadex 3 mo., NED 14 mo.
Sept'05~ micro mets lungs/chest nodes/underarm node, Switched to Aromasin, T/C/H x 7, NED 6 months - Herceptin only
Aug'06~ micro mets chest nodes, & bone spot @ C3 neck, Added Taxol to Herceptin
Feb'07~ Genetic testing, BRCA 1&2 neg
Apr'07~ MRI - two 9mm brain mets & 5 punctates, new left chest met, & small increase of bone spot C3 neck, Stopped Aromasin
May'07~ Started Tykerb/Xeloda, no WBR for now
June'07~ MRI - stable brain mets, no new mets, 9mm spots less enhanced, CA15.3 down 45.5 to 9.3 in 10 wks, Ty/Xel working magic!
Aug'07~ MRI - brain mets shrunk half, NO NEW BRAIN METS!!, TMs stable @ 9.2
Oct'07~ PET/CT & MRI show NED
Apr'08~ scans still show NED in the head, small bone spot on right iliac crest (rear pelvic bone)
Sept'08~ MRI shows activity in brain mets, completed 5 fractions/5 consecutive days of IMRT to zap the pesky buggers
Oct'08~ dropped Xeloda, switched to tri-weekly Herceptin in combo with Tykerb, extend to tri-monthly Zometa infusion
Dec'08~ Brain MRI- 4 spots reduced to punctate size, large spot shrunk by 3mm, CT of torso clear/pelvis spot stable
June'09~ new 3-4mm left cerrebellar spot zapped with IMRT targeted rads
Sept'09~ new 6mm & 1 cm spots in pituitary/optic chiasm area. Rx= 25 days of 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the tumors.
Oct'09~ 25 days of low dose 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the bone mets spot on rt. iliac crest that have been watching for 2 years. Added daily Aromasin back into treatment regimen.
Apr'10~ Brain MRI clear! But, see new small spot on adrenal gland. Change from Aromasin back to Tamoxifen.
June'10~ Tumor markers (CA15.3) dropped from 37 to 23 after one month on Tamoxifen. Continue to monitor adrenal gland spot. Remain on Tykerb/Herceptin/Tamoxifen.
Nov'10~ Radiate positive mediastinal node that was pressing on recurrent laryngeal nerve, causing paralyzed larynx and a funny voice.
Jan'11~ MRI shows possible activity or perhaps just scar tissue/necrotic increase on 3 previously treated brain spots and a pituitary spot. 5 days of IMRT on 4 spots.
Feb'11~ Enrolled in T-DM1 EAP in Denver, first treatment March 25, 2011.
Mar'11~ Finally started T-DM1 EAP in Denver at Rocky Mountain Cancer Center/Rose on Mar. 25... hallelujah.
"I would rather be anecdotally alive than statistically dead."
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11-07-2009, 01:52 AM
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Re: for Stage IV--if at first you do not succeed (with herceptin combo), try try agai
Mine to. When mine was stopped by my first bean counter oncologist when I recurred my second opinion was outraged that this had happened. He totally agreed with the opinion on this board that we should add not take away!
Ellie
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11-07-2009, 09:04 AM
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Re: for Stage IV--if at first you do not succeed (with herceptin combo), try try agai
Lani, thanks for this post. Do you have the article or abstract that says this? I would love to see it.
Thanks,
Jill
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11-07-2009, 09:13 AM
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Re: for Stage IV--if at first you do not succeed (with herceptin combo), try try agai
Sorry I forgot to add it:
Breast J. 2009 Nov 2. [Epub ahead of print]
Time to First Tumor Progression as Outcome Predictor of a
Second Trasuzumab-Based Therapy beyond Progression in
HER-2 Positive Metastatic Breast Cancer.
Metro G, Giannarelli D, Gemma D, Lanzetta G, Ciccarese M, Papaldo P, Gamucci T, Lorusso V, Mottolese M, Magnolfi E, Cognetti F, Fabi A.
Division of Medical Oncology, Regina Elena Cancer Institute, Rome, Italy.
In a previous analysis performed on a cohort of 37 HER-2 positive metastatic breast cancer (MBC) patients treated with trastuzumab beyond progression, we found that a second trastuzumab-based therapy is associated with a considerable response rate and preserved time to progression as compared with a first trastuzumab-based therapy. In the present study, we extended the analysis to a total of 69 patients treated in four different italian Institutions, also trying to identify clinical predictors of sensitivity to a second trastuzumab-based therapy beyond progression. Efficacy results on the overall population confirmed that a second trastuzumab-based therapy beyond progression is an active regimen (27.5% of responses and 6.5 months of time to progression, respectively). Median time to progression to the first trastuzumab therapy (TTP1) identified two groups of patients with different sensitivity to trastuzumab beyond progression (group A, TTP1 >/= 8 months and group B, TTP1 < 8 months) in terms of time to second progression and post-progression survival (group A versus group B showed respectively a time to second progression of 7.6 versus 4.7 months, p = 0.05, and a post-progression survival of 31.7 months versus 21.8 months, p = 0.04). In the multivariate analysis, only TTP1 was a predictor of time to second progression and post-progression survival. Despite the recent approval of lapatinib plus capecitabine for trastuzumab-progressing patients, it is still reasonable to offer trastuzumab beyond progression to HER- 2 positive MBC patients, because these data confirm the potential utility of such a conduct. In the clinic, time to first tumor progression may represent a useful tool to identify patients who are more likely to benefit from trastuzumab beyond progression.
PMID: 19889170
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