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Old 02-12-2014, 08:42 PM   #1
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Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I'm curious who all had or is having neoadjuvant chemo. For those who have had surgery since chemo, how much cancer was left? How long has it been since surgery?

I had neoadjuvant FEC-D + Herceptin from March to July 2012 (and May 2013 for Herceptin). Surgery in September 2012 showed only residual DCIS. No changes since then (cross fingers).
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Old 02-12-2014, 08:45 PM   #2
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I have my first round tomorrow. Know for sure it is Perjetta and Herceptin along with other chemo meds (forgot names), for the next 18 weeks; 6 cycles, then surgery this summer and Herceptin to follow.
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Old 02-12-2014, 10:06 PM   #3
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

im just over 2yrs out from the end of chemo

I had a complete response, only some residual dcis at surgery
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Old 02-13-2014, 10:28 AM   #4
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

LOL, you all make me feel like a dinosaur. I did chemo way back in the old days, when it was after surgery!
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Old 02-14-2014, 07:45 PM   #5
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I had neo adjuvant chemo in '05! Stage 3, disappointing response to chemo…but
still healthy almost 9 years late!
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Old 02-15-2014, 01:07 AM   #6
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I did and it was a 12/13 since surgery
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Old 02-15-2014, 08:43 AM   #7
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I did not have neoadjuctive chemo, I had lumpectomy then chemo and Rads, but this raises a question....when I finished my chemo I had a follow up mammo and the radiologist was concerned about some calcifications (could be DCIS). It was recommended that the area be biopsied. I agreed and Thank God it was not... But.... Having just had chemo, shouldn't that have wiped out any DCIS That may have been hiding? I know I sound naive but hell, I went throughout the chemo in case a rouge cell got free. Why would I not expect it to wipe out DCIS, Kinda like neoadjuctive . When I asked this of my onc, she didn't agree with my thinking....thoughts anyone?
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Old 02-15-2014, 05:40 PM   #8
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

Coux92 - DCIS tends to be non-responsive to chemo. I have yet to come across a decent explanation for this. I even asked my brainwave medical onc and he couldn't really explain WHY just that that's how it is.

The good thing is that by definition DCIS is confined to the breast.
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Old 02-16-2014, 06:42 AM   #9
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

Probably because DCIS is not considered cancer? If it's just calcification, the calcified 'stone' certainly would not respond to chemo. Chemo works by stopping the cell division - thus only fast-growing cells will respond to the treatment. I was also wondering about the 'stem cancer cells' that are not responding to the usual cancer treatment.

Not sure if the abstract below explains anything to the question:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24068769
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Old 02-16-2014, 11:47 AM   #10
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I had neoadjuvant TCH last summer; 4 round 3 weeks apart. Last one July 22 or 23.

I started out with a large tumor of 9 cm. I think that was why they recommended chemo first--to reduce the tumor size. At surgery the mass had been reduced to 2.3 cm ( or whatever it says in my signature...don't remember at this point). So it had a big impact, though not a complete response. I was told only 7 % of patients have a complete response from neoadjuvant chemo.

Even with a complete response they said a unilateral mastectomy followed by rads would be the plan. I was told I could do a bilateral if I really wanted but I chose uni. (I am 54 w neg brca 1/2).

So far so good, just waiting to trade the expander for something else.

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Old 02-17-2014, 05:07 AM   #11
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I don't think we know why DCIS persists after neoadjuvant therapy but is doesn't appear to affect outcome. Of course, with neoadjuvant therapy, the whole breast is excised so residual DCIS can't do any harm.

In the lumpectomy/ chemo/rads scenario - the known DCIS is excised, but some could still be present. However, DCIS is non-invasive and most DCIS never progresses. Follow up of breast cancer treated this way has shown very good disease free survival comparable to mastectomy with only a slightly greater risk of local recurrence (treatable with surgery.)

See the speculation below.


http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/25/19/2650.full

"It is biologically quite intriguing that DCIS, not unlike normal breast epithelium, often survives chemotherapy. Differences in proliferation rate cannot fully explain the greater chemotherapy resistance of in situ cancer because these lesions frequently have growth fractions higher than corresponding normal tissues and similar to that seen in invasive cancers.26,27 It is possible that physiologic resistance mechanisms that protect normal cells from cytotoxic insults remain more intact in in situ cancers compared with invasive tumors.28 However, greater drug resistance of these tumors may be of limited clinical relevance because, by definition, in situ cancers do not metastasize."

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Old 02-17-2014, 06:54 AM   #12
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

My understanding was pre-adjunct first to stop the spread of the cancer systemically because I had multiple tumors one being like 5 cm, another being 3.2 and then the rest tiny little ones that looked like someone sprinkled pepper all over. Then in my lymph nodes as well......So stop the spread of the cancer the GOAL with pre-adjunctive therapy. I had very little pathologic response if any, so I have no idea if it at least went through my system and killed all those little micro cancer cells in my body they could not see. On a positive note my BS got .5 cm clear margins at surgery!! Whoo, hooo.

Hopefully, the Armidex I am now taking will take are of the ER+30 then went to ER+73 percent....I still don't know if that is a good thing or what that even means.

Sorry, but I am no help, because it is all VERY CONFUSING!!

On a positive note I had a complete body massage this weekend and Sunday I was sore has heck, but today my feet and hands feel a little better. It is Chinese reflexology which I find extremely fascinating. He told me after with a Asian accent that, "I had poor circulation in my feet" he can work on those and make body feel better!! He said my hands hurt too because nerves coming from my shoulders sooo tight that he can make better too....come back once a week (In my Mr. Miagi, Karaote kid voice). I did not tell him anything that hurt, so very COOL he figured it out. I don't know maybe because my toes were ICE cold..LOL
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IDC breast cancer
7/2012 diagnosed with multiple solid lesions
7/20/12 biopsy done. ER+ 30 PR -, HER+++,k167 80% Grade 2
9/2012 biopsy on lymph node - showed malignant

9/2012 Pre-adjunctive TCH chemo.

12/6/12 MRI after Pre-adj.
Results: Modest Decrease in size of left breast malignancy As well as the associated satellite lesions and auxiliary Adenopathy compared to prior study. Doctors hoped for better but good response it didn't grow.

12/18/2012 left masectomy with axillary nodes
Size 3.2 CM, Nottingham score 9/9
Grade 3, no evidence of in situ carcinoma
Areas of angiolymphatic are identified
Carcinoma is 0.5 cm from inked deep
Margin of excision
Attached axillary lymph nodes: metastatic
Carcinoma in 6 of 8 nodes.
Size of largest node 1.5 cm
Extracapsular
ER + 73%, PR+2%, HER2+

2/27/13 6 weeks of IMRT radiation finished

2/2013 Started on Tamoxifan 5 years.

8/2013 will take last Herceptin, 17 treatments total every 3 weeks.

BRCA1 & BRAC2 - Negative

August 28, 2013 DIEP flap on the left breast.
February 2014 Nip & Tuck
March 14, 2014 nipple reconstruction and removed port.
August 14, 2014 lump in lymph nodes under arm and above clavicle. Stage IV
August 28, 2014 herceptin And projeta starting and port put back in.

3/18/15 stopped arimidex.
3/18/15 progression....Tdm1
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Old 03-12-2014, 08:13 PM   #13
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

Annnnd... I'm no longer NED. I guess pCR is overrated.
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Old 03-13-2014, 01:19 AM   #14
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That is a total bummer, broccoli. So sorry to hear. When you know more about what's happened and potential treatment, post a new thread and let us know. We'll be thinking of you.

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25 June '13: Diagnosed after multiple biopsies and MRIs
28 June '13: Left lumpectomey
4 July '13: Left Mastectomy
12 August '13: Commenced TCH chemo
Mid December '13 : TCH finished. Herceptin continuing three weekly.
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Old 03-13-2014, 07:58 AM   #15
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

You are 6 years out Lizabeth....Stone age treatment!!
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IDC breast cancer
7/2012 diagnosed with multiple solid lesions
7/20/12 biopsy done. ER+ 30 PR -, HER+++,k167 80% Grade 2
9/2012 biopsy on lymph node - showed malignant

9/2012 Pre-adjunctive TCH chemo.

12/6/12 MRI after Pre-adj.
Results: Modest Decrease in size of left breast malignancy As well as the associated satellite lesions and auxiliary Adenopathy compared to prior study. Doctors hoped for better but good response it didn't grow.

12/18/2012 left masectomy with axillary nodes
Size 3.2 CM, Nottingham score 9/9
Grade 3, no evidence of in situ carcinoma
Areas of angiolymphatic are identified
Carcinoma is 0.5 cm from inked deep
Margin of excision
Attached axillary lymph nodes: metastatic
Carcinoma in 6 of 8 nodes.
Size of largest node 1.5 cm
Extracapsular
ER + 73%, PR+2%, HER2+

2/27/13 6 weeks of IMRT radiation finished

2/2013 Started on Tamoxifan 5 years.

8/2013 will take last Herceptin, 17 treatments total every 3 weeks.

BRCA1 & BRAC2 - Negative

August 28, 2013 DIEP flap on the left breast.
February 2014 Nip & Tuck
March 14, 2014 nipple reconstruction and removed port.
August 14, 2014 lump in lymph nodes under arm and above clavicle. Stage IV
August 28, 2014 herceptin And projeta starting and port put back in.

3/18/15 stopped arimidex.
3/18/15 progression....Tdm1
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:00 AM   #16
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

broccoli so so sorry....please update when you can, sending prayers your way.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:47 AM   #17
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

Brocoli,

I am so sorry about you not being NED anymore!!! YUCK! What will they treat you with now???
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IDC breast cancer
7/2012 diagnosed with multiple solid lesions
7/20/12 biopsy done. ER+ 30 PR -, HER+++,k167 80% Grade 2
9/2012 biopsy on lymph node - showed malignant

9/2012 Pre-adjunctive TCH chemo.

12/6/12 MRI after Pre-adj.
Results: Modest Decrease in size of left breast malignancy As well as the associated satellite lesions and auxiliary Adenopathy compared to prior study. Doctors hoped for better but good response it didn't grow.

12/18/2012 left masectomy with axillary nodes
Size 3.2 CM, Nottingham score 9/9
Grade 3, no evidence of in situ carcinoma
Areas of angiolymphatic are identified
Carcinoma is 0.5 cm from inked deep
Margin of excision
Attached axillary lymph nodes: metastatic
Carcinoma in 6 of 8 nodes.
Size of largest node 1.5 cm
Extracapsular
ER + 73%, PR+2%, HER2+

2/27/13 6 weeks of IMRT radiation finished

2/2013 Started on Tamoxifan 5 years.

8/2013 will take last Herceptin, 17 treatments total every 3 weeks.

BRCA1 & BRAC2 - Negative

August 28, 2013 DIEP flap on the left breast.
February 2014 Nip & Tuck
March 14, 2014 nipple reconstruction and removed port.
August 14, 2014 lump in lymph nodes under arm and above clavicle. Stage IV
August 28, 2014 herceptin And projeta starting and port put back in.

3/18/15 stopped arimidex.
3/18/15 progression....Tdm1
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Old 03-15-2014, 06:38 AM   #18
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Re: Neoadjuvant Roll Call

I'm so sorry broccoli, I'm keeping you in my prayers and wait to hear better news from you soon! Stay strong!
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4/30/13 Found pea sized lump while showering
5/10/13 core bx
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5/28/13 lumpectomy and SNB, ER/PR/Her-2+, Nodes neg,positive margins
6/13/13 revision of margins . Now clear
6/26/13 first TCH
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Old 12-20-2014, 10:13 AM   #19
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Quick update: back to NED. It took 9 months of various scans and exams due to the number of issues and symptoms I've been having, but as of a final MRI on Wednesday night, I can confidently say that there still appears to be no active disease!
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2012-Apr: DVT in arm that received chemo - put on LMW Heparin
2012-Apr: Port installed
2012-Sep-7: Lumpectomy + ALND - pCR with residual DCIS
2012-Oct: Switched from LMW Heparin to Warfarin
2012-Oct-Nov: 30 days of rads
2013-Jan: Entered Adjuvant Metformin trial (Metformin or placebo for 5 years)
2013-Jan: Switched from Warfarin to Xarelto
2013-Mar: First signs of lymphedema
2013-May-16: Last Herceptin (17 doses in total)
2013-Jun: Port removed and anticoagulants stopped
2014-Mar: Lymphedema worsened and became unresponsive to treatment
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