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Old 12-19-2008, 02:22 PM   #1
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Exclamation Dense breasts - AMAZING research!

Stumbled on this today and it sure makes a lot of sense in my case. I had dense breasts and a very small tumor. But the cells were invading distant nodes even though the primary tumor was not growing fast in the original location. I had always wondered about why it spread outside the original site so fast.

The red type is my emphasis, getting to the heart of the article. Gives some of those thousands of researchers something else to look at in terms of pathology and treatment.

Maybe some other members here will understand their cancer path better as well from this research. Especially why younger breast cancer diagnoses is said to be more aggressive. (I was 50, but still had dense breasts. Seems to be genetic trait for me.)

Dense Breast Tissue Promotes Aggressive Cancers

New research may explain why breast cancer tends to be more aggressive in women with denser breast tissue.
Breast cancer cells grown in dense, rigid surroundings step up their invasive activities, Vanderbilt-Ingram Cancer Center investigators report in the Sept. 9 issue of Current Biology.

The findings suggest a cellular mechanism for the correlation between human breast tissue density and tumor aggressiveness. Women with increased breast density on mammograms have an increased risk for both developing breast cancer and having breast cancers with invasive characteristics.

This connection between breast density and cancer aggressiveness has begged the question of which comes first. Is the tissue denser because the tumor is more aggressive (and recruits cells that "lay down" more matrix), or is the tumor more aggressive because the tissue is denser?

"Our study shows that if you have a dense, rigid matrix, the cells will be more aggressive and invasive; it's a direct effect," said Alissa Weaver, M.D., Ph.D., assistant professor of Cancer Biology and lead author of the study.

Weaver and colleagues were interested in invadopodia - the finger-like protrusions that a cancer cell uses to drill holes in the extracellular matrix (matrix-degrading enzymes are associated with invadopodia). These structures are believed to be important for cancer invasion.

"If you have enough invadopodia, over time they'll make large holes that cells can move through to invade and metastasize," Weaver said.

Despite the intimate connection between invadopodia and the matrix, very little was known about what role the matrix might play in regulating invadopodia function. Weaver and colleagues started probing this question as part of computational math modeling project through the Vanderbilt Integrative Cancer Biology Center.

They were surprised to find that breast cancer cells cultured on a denser - and thus, more rigid - matrix had a greater number of active invadopodia than breast cancer cells cultured on a less dense matrix.

"We thought that more 'stuff' for the cells to get through was going to make it harder, so we expected to see less matrix degradation, but instead we found this interesting effect where cells actually sense the rigidity and degrade more," Weaver said.

The team examined how cells convert a sense of matrix rigidity into intracellular signals, a process called mechanotransduction.

Proteins that generate contractile forces, such as myosin "motors," are important players in mechanotransduction. Weaver and colleagues confirmed that myosin motors are involved in sparking more degradation by invadopodia in response to a rigid matrix, though the motors themselves are not present in the drilling structures.

The investigators also implicated the activities of two signaling proteins called FAK and p130Cas in the rigidity-induced invadopodia activity. These signaling proteins were present in an activated state in the invadopodia, suggesting that they are important players in this response and may represent targets for anti-invasive therapies.

Weaver said that it's exciting to find a cellular mechanism that could explain why denser breast tissue is correlated with more aggressive tumors and a poorer prognosis for patients.

"The idea that tissue rigidity leads to a more aggressive phenotype had been out there for a while," she said, "but it hadn't actually been tied to matrix degradation, which is thought to be important for metastasis and spread of cells through the body."

Because metastasis is often what makes cancers deadly, new leads on how to block it are critical, she added.

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Article adapted by Medical News Today from original press release.
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Nelson Alexander, Ph.D., Kevin Branch, Aron Parekh, Ph.D., Emily Clark, Ph.D., and Izuchukwu Iwueke, in the Department of Cancer Biology at Vanderbilt, and Scott Guelcher, Ph.D., in the Department of Chemical Engineering at Vanderbilt, contributed to the studies. The National Institutes of Health and the Vanderbilt University School of Engineering supported the research.

Source: Dagny Stuart McMillin
Vanderbilt University Medical Center
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Old 12-19-2008, 05:19 PM   #2
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Stephie,

Thanks for posting this article which I relate to.

My breasts are dense, and I had a lot of vascular invasion around the bc tumor, as well as positive lymph nodes.

I still have my left breast, and it continues to be dense even though I'm in my mid 50s. Dense breasts is a trait in my family as well, although I'm the only one with breast cancer.

I was 46 when first diagnosed with early stage bc.

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Old 12-19-2008, 06:05 PM   #3
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invadopodia

Isn't that available on Wii? Sorry. If only we could harness the gamers towards a cure...

How long have they correlated dense breasts with aggressive cancer/poorer prognosis?

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Old 12-19-2008, 06:33 PM   #4
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fascinating!

Thanks for posting this fascinating article, Steph. I didn't understand every bit of it, but enough to get the idea. I knew that dense breasts were associated with higher risk of bc, but not that said risk included more aggressive cancer.

I had dense breast always, and they were lumpy/cysty also. My primary tumor was 1.2 cm, which is pretty small compared to the SIX cm. axillary node that heralded the whole thing. (plus 4 more + nodes larger than the primary tumor in the breast). I asked everyone (surgeon, onc, random passersby) what the significance of this was and they all replied the same - "we don't know".

There is more and more talk of the "stroma" which if I understand correctly, is the tissue around the cancer cells themselves. Stroma is thought to have a role in cancer development although details at this point are uncertain. The article that you posted offers one more clue.

I'm satisfied with my choice to have bilateral mastectomies (prophylactic on the non-cancer side). But if I needed any encouragement, this article provides it. For me (or us - my husband was an equal participant in the decision process), the vigilance that would have been needed had I kept the other breast would have made me nuts. Especially since mammography failed me for the cancer-affected breast. I had no trust in surveilance, and did not want to be caught up in that roller-coaster. Plus, symmetry appealed. My surgeon made it very clear that mastectomy of the unaffected breast offered no survival advantage, but he did not argue my decision once he knew that I understood the facts.

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Old 12-19-2008, 06:42 PM   #5
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Steph,
I read this yesterday as it caught my eye on a listing of topics..
I too had extremely dense fibrosystic breasts (felt like I had marbles inside) and was continually told "no connection' to breast cancer. Lo and behold even though I screened every 6 months and did BSE my cancer was mutifocal and had spread to 1 node..
Thanks for this,
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Old 12-19-2008, 07:18 PM   #6
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Me too

I have to comment because I also had very dense breast. I had a 2.5 cm tumor (average size, so I am told) but a whopping 18 positive nodes. One node was as large as my primary tumor. I know that the lump was not there long. Clear mamo because of dense breast but a positive ultra sound. I have wondered and wondered why I had so many positive nodes. I guess this explains it.

Thanks for posting, Steph.
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Old 12-20-2008, 10:53 AM   #7
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Hi Steph - This really popped out at me. I had extremely dense breasts and my tumor in the breast wasn't considered that big (medium I think) but boy did I have lots of positive nodes. My nodes were also big in size. I used to think it was because I was nursing and pregnancy hormones that my nodes were so involved but I have talked to other mom's who were pregnant or nursing at diagnosis and they didn't have as many nodes positive. Also a lot of them were ER positive and I wasn't at all. I often wondered if something was different for me.

Thanks and hope you are doing well!

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