HonCode

Go Back   HER2 Support Group Forums > her2group
Register Gallery FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-15-2007, 03:23 PM   #1
RhondaH
Senior Member
 
RhondaH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Posts: 1,516
Question ***Not BC related*** HELP!!!!

I'm sorry to bother you again, but you are all like family and I don't know where to turn (I've looked all over Google and have come up empty), but for mothers of boys, did/do you allow them to play w/ toy swords, guns, light sabers? Any special rules? How old were/are the boys? I would ask, but there are some problems in the neighborhood and I am trying to sort things out. Thanks again. (It's hard to believe that life really HAS gotten back to normal after breast cancer Take care and God bless.

Rhonda
__________________
Rhonda

Dx 2/1/05, Stage 1, 0 nodes, Grade 3, ER/PR-, HER2+ (3.16 Fish)
2/7/05, Partial Mastectomy
5/18/05 Finished 6 rounds of dose dense TEC (Taxotere, Epirubicin and Cytoxan)
8/1/05 Finished 33 rads
8/18/05 Started Herceptin, every 3 weeks for a year (last one 8/10/06)

2/1/13...8 year Cancerversary and I am "perfect" (at least where cancer is concerned;)


" And in the end, it's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years."- Abraham Lincoln
RhondaH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2007, 03:32 PM   #2
suzan w
Senior Member
 
suzan w's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Naples FL
Posts: 1,744
Smile

Hi Rhonda, I have 2 "boys" (now 29 and 31 years old). As a young mother and war protester I had decided that my sons would NEVER play with guns or have guns etc...well, one day when they were 2 and 4 years old I was horrified to see them out in the back woods shooting at each other with sticks! By the way, we did not have a TV and to my knowledge they had not ever seen such behavior! After talking with my other young mom friends of the same ilk...we decided that the old adage must indeed be true...'boys will be boys'. Later heard similar stories about little girls in 'shootout' situations. And then there was the little boy who made a doll out of a paper bag (his dad said, "my son will NEVER have a doll")...Santa brought him a Cabbage Patch kid a few months later. I digress!!! My boys have grown up to be fine young men despite their early tendencies to make weapons out of just about anything!
__________________
Suzan W.
age 54 at diagnosis
5/05 suspicious mammogram-left breast
5/05 biopsy-invasive lobular carcinoma with LCIS,8mm tumor,stage 1 grade 2, ER+ PR+ Her2+++
6/14/05 bilateral mastectomy, node neg. all scans neg.
Oncotype DX-high risk
8/05-10/05 4 rounds A/C
10/05 -10/06 1 yr. herceptin
arimidex-5 years
2/14/08 started daily self administered injections..FORTEO for severe osteoporosis
7/28/09 BRCA 1 negative BRCA2 POSITIVE
8/17/09 prophylactic salpingo-oophorectomy
10/15/10 last FORTEOinjection
RECLAST infusion(ostoeporosis)
6/14/10 5 year cancerversary!
8/2010-18%increase in bone density!
no further treatments
Oncologist says, "Go do the Happy Dance"
I say,"What a long strange trip its been"
'One day at a time'
6-14-2015. 10 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!
7-16 to 9-16. Extensive (and expensive) dental work done to save teeth. Damage from osteoporosis and chemo and long term bisphosphonate use
6-14-16. 11 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
7-20-16 Prolia injection for severe osteoporosis
2 days later, massive hive outbreak. This led to an eventual dx of Chronic Ideopathic Urticaria, an auto-immune disease from HELL.
6-14-17 12 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
still suffering from CIU. 4 hospitilizations in the past year

as of today, 10-31-17 in remission from CIU and still, CANCER FREE!!!
6-14-18 13 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!! NED!!
suzan w is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2007, 04:15 PM   #3
Emelie
Senior Member
 
Emelie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 144
Hi Rhonda,
I have one boy and two girls and they all wanted to, and did, make their own versions of guns. They played war in the yard and used sticks and such for their guns. My son is now 30, has served in the US Navy, and is a very peaceful, kind, person. My girls 21 and 19 are both very kind, loving, peaceful people. It is you who sets the tone of whether play guns are bad or not.
Good luck!
Emelie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2007, 05:25 PM   #4
KellyA
Senior Member
 
KellyA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Savannah, Georgia
Posts: 301
Hi Rhonda! I have 3 boys (8,10,16). We have never allowed the boys to have toy guns, with the exception of water guns. We have discussed at lengths on numerous occasions the subject of guns, how dangerous they can be if used incorrectly or get into the hands of the wrong people. I even had an incident where we had to stop allowing one of our children to play with the another child in the neighborhood because his father, who was a police officer, kept guns in the house that were not locked up. I know that many people have them as protection, but I have personally seen more than one tragedy result from guns in the house when there are children. I just don't think the two mix. My boys did go through a "fascination period" where they would look for anything to pretend with. My middle son even chewed a gun out of his piece of toast one morning much to my dismay. But I do believe that they all have a respect for guns and an appreciation of how dangerous they can be. And that is my goal- simply for them to respect them and always be aware of thier potential danger.

Love, Kelly
__________________
dx'd 05/06, 37 years old
er/pr-, Her2+, grade 3
double mastectomy, immediate reconstruction- implants
Stage 2b, 2 tumors- 2.2 cm and 0.6 cm, 3/5 + nodes
all scans clear
genetic testing- negative
06/06 began dd A/C x 4, 12 weekly Taxols w/ Herceptin
30 rads
Herceptin weekly x 1 year
Herceptin completed 08/07
Port removed 12/26/07 MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!
05/17/08 Two year anniversary NED

"We gain strength, courage, and confidence by each experience in which we really stop to look fear in the face... you must do the thing that you think you cannot do."

-Eleanor Roosevelt

KellyA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2007, 06:36 PM   #5
Mary Jo
Senior Member
 
Mary Jo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sheboygan, WI
Posts: 2,582
I absolutely ditto what Suzan said. We, too, had 2 sons. They are not 25 and 28. My husband didn't hunt - we tried to protect the boys from violence on TV, etc. BUT, like Suzan said "boys will be boys." Why it is that these things intrigue them is beyond me.

Good Luck Rhonda.

Mary Jo
__________________
"Be still and know that I am God." Psalm 46:10

Dx. 6/24/05 age 45 Right Breast IDC
ER/PR. Neg., - Her2+++
RB Mast. - 7/28/05 - 4 cm. tumor
Margins clear - 1 microscopic cell 1 sent. node
No Vasucular Invasion
4 DD A/C - 4 DD Taxol & Herceptin
1 full year of Herceptin received every 3 weeks
28 rads
prophylactic Mast. 3/2/06

17 Years NED

<>< Romans 8:28
Mary Jo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2007, 07:19 PM   #6
juanita
Senior Member
 
juanita's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: indianapolis, indiana
Posts: 1,544
My boys played with toy guns for awhile, but then something else came along and they moved on to other things.
__________________
dxd 9-04, lumpectomy,
st 1, gr 3, er,pr-, her2 +,
2 tac,33 rads,6 cmf
1 yr herceptin,
juanita is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2007, 09:20 AM   #7
Donna
Senior Member
 
Donna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Shingle Springs, CA - near Sacramento
Posts: 295
Swords!

Hi Rhonda,

First let me say how much I always enjoy your informational posts!

My son was so into swords - we are pacificists and provided no weapon-like toys, but he used everything in sight from broom handles to tree limbs to expensive glass blow pipes to make swords. He now has a small collection of samurai swords. This all came uninvited, unsupported and in fact, actively discouraged.

By the same token, he loved necklaces, called his robe a "dancing dress" and would play dolls with my niece.

He is now almost 19 (in one month), a really fine young man that the whole community loves and respects - with a great collection of swords hanging on the wall.

I don't think it is so much the "toys" as it is the attitude.

Have a great day!

Donna
Donna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2007, 01:23 PM   #8
mke
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 64
I have 3 boys now 20 to 26. We closely monitored the TV, no guns in this house. HA! They made guns out of every thing Lego, Constructs (a building toy), sticks, you name it and a kid can make a gun out of it. They also made swords and shields out of unlikely materials. We let them have water pistols, but never allowed the replica type guns.

When they were around 8 to 10 I had their grandfather teach them to shoot a rifle. I wanted to remove the romance of guns for them. If it came up later, they could honestly say "Oh I did that years ago". They're all pretty nice guys.
mke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2007, 11:05 PM   #9
Jean
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 3,154
Rhonda,
Raising a son to be a gentle man...is a very long road.
My son loved playing so many different characters. One day he was
a knight with a sword chasing dragons and bad
black knights....the next day he was a cowboy and truly dressed
up for this events. Oh and Zoro with the hat mask and that sword
again...Rhonda, he also played doctor and vet - fireman and cooking
chief with his own kitchen. He also played with dolls and had a doll house.
He had and still has a great imagination. I always kept a chest filled
with play cloths to dress etc. Today my son is 23 years and a
recent college graduate who is now working for NBC as a Jr. assissant
producer....So I do think we should allow our children to play and use
their imagination instead of sitting in front of a TV with a video game
playing with the switches and not using their beautiful brains to play.
There was a major study performed on this issue of children who were
not permitted to play with any toys that represented weapons.
These children were explained over and over again about the dangers
of guns etc. When left in a play room with many choices of toys
what toy do you think they ran first to each and every time?
Guns.....It is like everything else...part of life. I do believe that healthy
play does not make a child grow into a gun carrying dangerous person.
Hug and love your son and give him your old outfits, jewerly, hats,
and let him dress up and have fun.

Enjoy these years with your beautiful Tony, they pass way too fast.
Hugs,
Jean
__________________
Stage 1, Grade 1, 3/30/05
Lumpectomy 4/15/05 - 6MM IDC
Node Neg. (Sentinel node)
ER+ 90% / PR-, Her2+++ by FISH
Ki-67 40%
Arimidex 5/05
Radiation 32 trt, 5/30/05
Oncotype DX test 4/17/06, 31% high risk
TOPO 11 neg. 4/06
Stopped Arimidex 5/06
TCH 5/06, 6 treatments
Herceptin 5/06 - for 1 yr.
9/06 Completed chemo
Started Femara Sept. 2006
Jean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2007, 11:40 PM   #10
tricia keegan
Senior Member
 
tricia keegan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Ireland
Posts: 3,463
Rhonda I have one son who is thirty now with the gentlest personality you could wish for. He and his friends played with guns swords etc but at times he also played with dolls or tea sets!! I really don't think it's worth making a big deal about and he won't either,by out lawing them you may just make them more attractive. Good luck!
__________________
Tricia
Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
tricia keegan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2007, 07:08 AM   #11
jones7676
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I live in Christmas, MI - located on the shores of Lake Superior.
Posts: 606
Guns

My son had a "laser gun" when he was young and of course water pistols. We live in Upper Michigan where there are many avid outdoorsman and women. My husband is an avid hunter and we have always had fire arms in the house. As much as we tried to shelter our children from violence on television - it was there. It was also printed in the newspapers.

The big rule at our house was that guns were never allowed to be pointed at people. We reinforced that you could never know if a gun was loaded or unloaded. We felt that our children could run across firearms in other people's homes and wanted to reinforce safety.

My daughter actively protests wars and other violence and my son is considered to be one of the gentlemen of the community....although at 26 he has not outgrown his fondness for "shoot 'em up" video games.

I was always more concerned with thier sexual practices and peer pressure regarding drugs and alcolhol, which I consider to be a far bigger threat to our children although it does not receive the sensationalized press coverage that gun violence does.

Just my two cents!
jones7676 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2007, 07:41 AM   #12
Jeanette
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 215
Talking Guns

Hi Rhonda, I have four sons, all of them ran the gamut of toy guns, swords and anything else that was going. All served in the USMC and are very well adjusted men. It all depends on the teaching and rules laid down when they are young. They do grow up thankfully and some day have children of there own and will have to go thru this.themselves. Try not to worry too much. Hugs, Jeanette
Jeanette is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2007, 12:26 PM   #13
vickie h
Senior Member
 
vickie h's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: san luis obispo, ca
Posts: 1,150
Post violence in video games vs toy guns

As anti-war protesters, you would think we would be horrified by our grandson's choise of guns, swords, etc. But, actually there is research saying that the withholding of these "toys" makes no difference, except that maybe the ones who played with sticks are a bit more creative. They are all well adjusted boys ages 6-12, and they love music, guitar, sports, and even ice skating. I think the love you show them has much more to do with their esteem vs. the use of toy guns. I also think some of the violent, army?navy bloody battles they play on their x boxes/playstations/game cubes, etc have a much greater impact. When you are actually shooting someone in a game and watching them be maimed or dying is heinous. Love, Vickie
__________________
Love and Hugs, Vickie

Life's not about waiting for the storm to pass,
It's about learning to dance in the rain.


Feb 04 IBC IIIC/IV er-/pr- her2+++
3/04 TCH X4
7/ 04 MRM 9/04 Taxol/herceptin wkly 1 yr 33X rads
11/04 skin mets 33x rads,10/05 Avast/Herc. 11 mos.
8/ 06 PET mets lymphs, neck
9/ 06 Navelbine/herceptin
11/ 06 PET NED
2/ 07 skin mets, 4/07 Xeloda, 5/07 add Tykerb
2/ 08 Tykerb failed. Doxil /Herceptin 6 months
8/08 PET skin mets, 8/08 Abraxane/Avastin
11/ 08 PET prog., skin mets
1/09 PET/CT progress, 1/09 Ixempra, 2/09 add Xeloda and low dose Naltrexone
2/09 off Ixempra/Xeloda
3/09 navelbine/herc/cytoxin 4/09 PET shows regress.7/09 start Topotecan. Failed.
8/09 extensive mets rgt brst, back and torso. starting Pazopanib clinical trial.
vickie h is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-17-2007, 08:52 PM   #14
sassy
Senior Member
 
sassy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Mountains of Virginia
Posts: 2,267
Images: 4
Rhonda,

I have two teenage boys who have been around all types of hunting equipment including guns and bows all their lives. They now have their own and enjoy hunting with their father, uncle and cousin. My husband has been a wonderful teacher of the use and care of these items, and they are not viewed as weapons. We have also taught the boys that they are never to point a gun at anyone and that these are not toys to be played with. The did play with toy guns as children and still enjoy squirt guns! They have grown into very responsible young men with a healthy respect for guns and the like.

I think what you teach about anything has more impact than just banning it. I think simply banning items sometimes makes them more attractive. I know my brother and sister-in-law banned chocolate from my neice, and she would try to sneak it every chance she got! When they approached it as something she could only have as a special treat--she really didn't care about it anymore. It lost its facination.

Boys will be boys. What we teach them makes all the difference.

Good luck--I know you will raise a fine young man.
________
PiercingsPussy

Last edited by sassy; 08-22-2011 at 09:19 AM..
sassy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2007, 11:02 AM   #15
Smiley
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 17
Boys and Guns

My son is now 35, the father of the two most beautiful girls in the world. His is both gentle and strong. We never bought hime a gun etc. but as he got a little older (5-6) and started playing more with nieghborhood kids we gave in because he couldn't play without the toys. We didn't make a big deal about it, just let him know we didn't really like it.
I think with proper upbringing and moral guidance from the family thier is no harm in this. Hope it helps.
Smiley
Smiley is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2007, 08:51 PM   #16
Heart Sutra
Senior Member
 
Heart Sutra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: The Hudson Valley, New York
Posts: 124
Hi Rhonda,

I am not a fan of guns, nor am I a fan of shoot 'em up movies. I've never hunted, don't even like the thought, and probably never will. However, my role as a father supersedes those biases.

Boys play with fantasy weaponry, so do girls. What I did with my son was to realize that guns are a reality in this world, and the best way to give him the ammunition (pun intended) to deal with this reality was to teach him to respect and handle guns by way of a very low power B.B. gun. I did the same with my daughter. I made this a very clear, very methodical, and often repeated lesson. As a result, they both lost interest in gun "play" and began to think of the weapons as they were designed to be used, saw no personal use for them, and abandoned that line of fascination.
Exposing them to those little B.B. guns took away the taboo, the mystery, (certainly the imagined machismo associated with them) and reduced the objects to what they are and nothing more, or less.
Kevin
__________________
---Kevin and Sue---

Dx'd 10/06 IDC grade III/III
Er- pr- HER2 3+
MRM right breast 12/5/06
nodes negative
same day reconstruction started
(implants)
Stage II (2.2 cm tumor)
fairly extensive DCIS
Ct and Bone scans clean
Port placement 12/26/06
AC (4 cycles DD)to begin 1/2/07
Taxol/Taxotere (4 cycles DD)
Herceptin for one year

"There is no distinction between the one who gives, the one who receives, and the gift itself."- Hahn
Heart Sutra is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:32 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright HER2 Support Group 2007 - 2021
free webpage hit counter