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Old 07-03-2015, 03:59 AM   #1
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Teeth

How are everybody's teeth holding out? May seem like a silly question but chemo, arimidex and other factors have done a number on my teeth. In the past ten years they have really deteriorated (yes, I know I am also 10 years older!). Am undergoing total mouth reconstruction now...Crowns for all. My dentist thinks there is probably a correlation with all the cancer treatments. Any thoughts? Oh...and because teeth are not considered medically necessary...not covered by health insurance. Go figure...
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age 54 at diagnosis
5/05 suspicious mammogram-left breast
5/05 biopsy-invasive lobular carcinoma with LCIS,8mm tumor,stage 1 grade 2, ER+ PR+ Her2+++
6/14/05 bilateral mastectomy, node neg. all scans neg.
Oncotype DX-high risk
8/05-10/05 4 rounds A/C
10/05 -10/06 1 yr. herceptin
arimidex-5 years
2/14/08 started daily self administered injections..FORTEO for severe osteoporosis
7/28/09 BRCA 1 negative BRCA2 POSITIVE
8/17/09 prophylactic salpingo-oophorectomy
10/15/10 last FORTEOinjection
RECLAST infusion(ostoeporosis)
6/14/10 5 year cancerversary!
8/2010-18%increase in bone density!
no further treatments
Oncologist says, "Go do the Happy Dance"
I say,"What a long strange trip its been"
'One day at a time'
6-14-2015. 10 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!
7-16 to 9-16. Extensive (and expensive) dental work done to save teeth. Damage from osteoporosis and chemo and long term bisphosphonate use
6-14-16. 11 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
7-20-16 Prolia injection for severe osteoporosis
2 days later, massive hive outbreak. This led to an eventual dx of Chronic Ideopathic Urticaria, an auto-immune disease from HELL.
6-14-17 12 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
still suffering from CIU. 4 hospitilizations in the past year

as of today, 10-31-17 in remission from CIU and still, CANCER FREE!!!
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Old 07-03-2015, 10:37 AM   #2
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Re: Teeth

Suzan I agree and chemo has done a number on my own teeth too, I also notice they're far more sensitive than they were, and don't even get me started on my eye sight! Still, its a small price to pay for NED though
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A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
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Old 07-03-2015, 06:32 PM   #3
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Re: Teeth

Me too. Before I started chemo I went to my dentist for a cleaning and check up. Everything was fine. Had a tooth pulled during chemo and have lost 3 since my treatments ended.
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4 FAC, 4 Taxol, no radiation
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Old 07-04-2015, 07:28 AM   #4
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Re: Teeth

not silly at all Susan!
My mom had lots of trouble with her teeth, post treatment and I am the same. It's almost like my teeth are not only more porous but also spaces between the teeth are wider now.
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Right partial mast & partial axillary dissection-June14,2005
Right modified mast-no clear margins- June 30, 2005
DD AC x4
Taxotere X4 with Herceptin
Rads x 35( 5 fields )
Left prophylactive mast( atypia & hyperplasia found ),
put on Tamoxifen x 1 yr; D/ced due to endometrial thickening
bilateral recon (saline implants)May 06
Nipple recon July 06
metformin 2010
removal of implants due to severe encapsulation, insertion of gummies 2013
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Old 07-04-2015, 07:37 AM   #5
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Re: Teeth

Bad, bad, bad. I got a crown, an inlay/onlay And - last May I cracked a tooth below the gum line. I had to get it extracted. Had an implant put in in Decembwr. Had a lump biopsied (was a lipoma) and I FINALLY got my new tooth on the implant last Tuesday. At least I don't look like a hillbilly anymore. After chemo, I needed tons of cavities filled. I think its because the mouth gets so dry .

I work hard at trying to keep my mouth in shape and I am much more diligent at flossing and using Listerine. I am also careful as I don't want to crack another one. Besides all the pain and painful procedures, even with dental benefits an implant is very expensive.

So YES, I have had alot of dental issues too.
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Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
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Zometa every 6 months for osteopenia

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Old 07-04-2015, 01:00 PM   #6
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Re: Teeth

Spent thousands on the teeth since 2012. It's been an on-going nightmare but seems to be shhhhhhh quiet right now. Cavities galore, bridges, new crowns, despite being diligent w/oral hygiene and teeth cleaned every 3 mos. This is definite side effect from chronic dry mouth from treatment, dehydration, and yes, when we age gum recession is normal but this amount of loss is extraordinary.

First dentist was alarmist and more scared than me. Fired him. New dentist for past few years is a doll and a "can do" attitude. He just stays steady and keeps fixing things as needed.
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2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, to remove skin mets. Not able to get clear margins. So schedule another surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line – cut out, cut out, cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.
3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable. New onc orders PET/ct & Brain MRI to re-stage me.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 trial but then 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva. (premeds for Herceptin now)
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin. (switched back to Zometa, pet/ct bone mets seemed worse on Xgeva)
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST GAMMA ZAPPA continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - cancerversary 17 years from original diagnosis. 6 yrs stage 4. [/COLOR][/B]
"FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13 (WTF)
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - NEWSFLASH:
6 YEARS POST GAMMA ZAPPA, 7 YEARS STAGE 4 and 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX! (CUCK FANCER)
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue Herceptin, PERJETA, xgeva. Adding back Avastin to see if lungs will go quiet
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1 and due for MRI brain check (check please!).
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down: CA15‐3=46.9 CEA=12.3 CA 27.2=79 SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YEARS STAGE FOUR!
(20 years from original diagnosis) July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva. Not NED but not DEaD.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
2017 I AM COMING FOR YOU!
April 2017 - TEN YEARS STAGE 4 - CUCK FANCER!
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Old 07-04-2015, 02:06 PM   #7
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Sorry to hear about your teeth Suzan! I have dental ins, which pays for half the cost of a crown, and I am grateful for that!

I would not normally hype a product here, but ---

Biotene - both toothpaste AND mouthwash - for dry mouth. We already had it for hubby and I became a strict user when I started hard chemos in 2000. Since my hubby uses it his tooth loss has completely stopped.

I have had normal issues with ancient fillings cracking needing crowning. I am very careful about not eating really hard crunchy things (like popcorn, corn nuts, etc.) and have never chewed gum.

Getting my 4th crown "seated" on Monday. I already had one when I began treatment and the other two happened probably 7-8 years ago. So, not too bad a record.

However being hormone neg, I did not need ongoing treatment for that, although not sure about harm to teeth and gums from hormone suppressors.
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Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and half of 2017. Boring ...
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Old 07-05-2015, 09:55 AM   #8
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Re: Teeth

Me too, Suzan. Thanks for asking the question. I've thought to ask it before but have stopped myself, worrying that it's too trivial, in the big picture of breast cancer stuff.

In the past 5 years or so, it seems like every time I go in for a cleaning, the dentist suggests a new crown, due to cracks. My mouth is getting very expensive, even with insurance.

I have not had trouble with cavities, though. I'm guessing (but don't really know) that dry mouth issues = cavities, and something else = cracking?

I've assumed (but again, don't know for sure) that it's chemo aftermath, as I don't think most people have so much trouble at 63. Next week, when I'm scheduled to start yet another crown, I'll ask the dentist (both about dry mouth/cavities, and what could be the cause of cracks). I really hate dental work. I spend the whole time in an internal dialogue -- "okay, deep breath, relax your fingers that are clenched to the armrests". That lasts for about 30 seconds and then I have to do it again. At least my dentist is ultra-gentle, and stops for more novocaine at the slightest wince.

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Old 07-05-2015, 12:29 PM   #9
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Re: Teeth

Ask for laughing gas. Seriously, used it during the last 2 procedures and it helps alot.
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Found lump via BSE
Diagnosed 8/04 at age 45
1.9cm tumor, ER+PR-, Her2 3+(rt side)
2 micromets to sentinel node
Stage 2A
left 3mm DCIS - low grade ER+PR+Her2 neg
lumpectomies 9/7/04
4DD AC followed by 4 DD taxol
Used Leukine instead of Neulasta
35 rads on right side only
4/05 started Tamoxifen
Started Herceptin 4 months after last Taxol due to
trial results and 2005 ASCO meeting & recommendations
Oophorectomy 8/05
Started Arimidex 9/05
Finished Herceptin (16 months) 9/06
Arimidex Only
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Old 07-05-2015, 02:09 PM   #10
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Re: Teeth

Me too Debbie, I've had a major phobia since I was a child and add a couple of bad incidents as an adult and now I'm a nervous wreck and only push myself to go when in pain....may try Becky's suggestion.
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Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
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Old 07-05-2015, 04:47 PM   #11
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Re: Teeth

Oh my word don't get me started on teeth. Before Chemo I had a complete check up and all was fine. Ever since and it's now 10 yrs later and I have almost a whole mouth full of crowns. THEN to make matter worse I am starting to get cavities under the crowns which more more work.

I am to the point of asking to have all of my teeth removed and just get dentures. The money I have spent on my teeth is just horrible.
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Begin Chemo 5-2-05 4XAC Dose Dense , 4X Abraxane Dose Dense (ended August 05)
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PET Scan July 2007
Abdominal MRI Oct. 2007---2 Right Kidney Cysts
Core Biopsy-- Lump on Scar Line 1-10-08---B9
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Sept. 8 2008, 4CM area removed from mastectomy scar line. Proved to be B9.
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August 17,2009 ---Had Port Removed
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Old 07-06-2015, 02:42 PM   #12
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Re: Teeth

Same, same, same.

I LOVE NITROUS. I ask for it to be set a 3 or I'll fly through the ceiling. Sometimes during work I indicate I need it lowered. Find your happy spot. Makes everything wonderful. Beyond relaxing. Eurphoric.

ev 3 mnth hygienist. mouthguard cause i grind. when awake i try not to.

waterpik ev night. sonicare tooth brush and mentadent 2x or more a day. mouthguard ev night!

still issues, just like yall...

Be well!

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'95 post-meno dx Invasive LOBULAR w/9cm tumor! YIKES + 2/21 nodes. Clear mammo 10 mnths earlier. Mastec/tram flap reconst/PORT/8 mnths chemo (4Adria/8CMF). Borderline ER/PR. Tamoxifen 2 yrs. Felt BLESSED. I could walk and talk, feed and bathe myself! I KNEW I would survive...

'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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Old 07-07-2015, 06:00 AM   #13
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Re: Teeth

First a rant about "medically necessary." Seriously? Dental health is directly linked to other diseases and conditions.

On that note, I have a friend with bone mets who started on Zometa, then had to stop because she needs four root canals. She has NO money. Her insurance covers only extraction. She can't get the teeth pulled because of the risk of jaw necrosis. She got paperwork showing that in her case the root canals are medically necessary, but can't find a dentist to do them. She thinks they're freaked out by the risk of jaw necrosis. This has been going on for over 6 months.

As for those of us in less extreme circumstances, I think dry mouth is a factor, but also immune suppression. When I was on chemo I noticed a lot more plaque in my mouth. Plaque = bacteria, which cause decay.
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4/19/11 Diagnosed invasive ductal carcinoma in left breast; 2.3 cm tumor, 1 axillary lymph node, weakly ER+, HER2+++
4/29/11 CT scan shows suspicious lesions on liver and lungs
5/17/11 liver biopsy
5/24/11 liver met confirmed--Stage IV at diagnosis
5/27/11 Begin weekly Taxol & Herceptin for 3 months (standard of care at the time of my DX)
7/18/11 Switch to weekly Abraxane & Herceptin due to Taxol allergy
8/29/11 CT scan shows no new lesions & old lesions shrinking
9/27/11 Finish Abraxane. Start Herceptin every 3 weeks. Begin taking Arimidex
10/17/11--Brain MRI--No Brain mets
12/5/11 PET scan--Almost NED
5/15/12 PET scan shows progression-breast/chest/spine (one vertebra)
5/22/12 Stop taking Arimidex; stay on Herceptin
6/11/12 Started Tykerb and Herceptin on clinical trial (w/no chemo)
9/24/12 CT scan--No new mets. Everything stable.
3/11/13 CT Scan--two small new possible mets and odd looking area in left lung getting larger.
4/2/13--Biopsy of suspicious area in lower left lung. Mets to lung confirmed.
4/30/13 Begin Kadcyla/TDM-1
8/16/13 PET scan "mixed," with some areas of increased uptake, but also some definite improvement, so I'll stay on TDM-1/Kadcyla.
11/11/13 Finally get hormone receptor results from lung biopsy of 4/2/13. My cancer is no longer ER positive.
11/13/13 PET scan mixed results again. We're calling it "stable." Problems breathing on exertion.
2/18/14 PET scan shows a new lesion and newly active lymph node in chest, other progression. Bye bye TDM-1.
2/28/14 Begin Herceptin/Perjeta every 3 weeks.
6/8/14 PET "mixed," with no new lesions, and everything but lower lungs improving. My breathing is better.
8/18/14 PET "mixed" again. Upper lungs & one spine met stable, lower lungs less FDG avid, original tumor more avid, one lymph node in mediastinum more avid.
9/1/14 Begin taking Xeloda one week on, one week off. Will also stay on Herceptin and Perjeta every three weeks.
12/11/14 PET Scan--no new lesions, and everything looks better than it did.
3/20/15 PET Scan--no new lesions, but lower lung lesions larger and a bit more avid.
4/13/15 Increasing Xeloda dose to 10 days on, one week off.
7/1/15 Scan "mixed" again, but suggests continuing progression. Stop Xeloda. Substitute Abraxane every 3 weeks starting 7/13.
10/28/15 PET scan shows dramatic improvement everywhere. All lesions except lower lungs have resolved; lower lungs noticeably improved.
12/18/15 Last Abraxane. Continue on Herceptin and Perjeta alone beginning 1/8/16.
1/27/16 PET scan shows cancer is stable.
5/11/16 PET scan shows uptake in some areas that were resolved on the last two scans.
6/3/16 Begin Kadcyla and Tykerb combination
6/5 - 6/23 Horrible diarrhea from K&T together. Got pneumonia.
7/15/16 Begin Kadcyla only every 3 weeks.
9/6/16 Begin radiation therapy on right lung lesion that caused the pneumonia.
10/3/16 Last of 12 radiation treatments to right lung.
11/4/16 Huffing and puffing, low O2, high heart rate, on tiniest bit of exertion. Diagnosed as radiation pneumonitis. Treated with Prednisone.
11/11/16 PET scan shows significant improvement to radiated part of right lung BUT a bunch of new lung lesions, and the bone met is getting worse.
11/22/16 Begin Eribulin and Herceptin. H every 3 weeks. E two weeks on, one week off.
3/6/17 Scan shows progression in lungs. Bone met a little better.
3/23/17 Lung biopsy. Tumor sampled is ER-, PR+ (5%), HER2+++. Getting Herceptin and Perjeta as a maintenance treatment.
5/31/17 Port placement
6/1/17 Start Navelbine & Tykerb
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Old 07-08-2015, 02:58 PM   #14
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Re: Teeth

I hadn't had a cavity in 10+ years but that all changed after chemo. My dentist put the blame squarely on chemo. I have a mouth full of cavities to fix before I start treatment for my newly dx of osteoporosis. I just started seeing an endocrinologist to see if there is any underlying reason for the osteoporosis, other than early menopause. I started taking Femara in January so bone health is yet another new thing to treat/worry about etc. But I am very glad to be NED - that is most important. Everything else is a balancing act.
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Old 07-09-2015, 05:17 AM   #15
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Thanks, Suzan, for asking. Mine are a very spendy mess at 13 years out w/o bc recurrence and with some dental insurance.

My DDS recommended Biotene also, and even though my mouth doesn't feel dry to me, he says it is. (Shoot, why wouldn't my mouth be dry? My hair is dry, my skin is so dry that I have chronic itching and have to use Cetaphil for that, my ears don't produce much earwax....)

In my case, one can't blame any of it on trastuzumab or on using an AI, either. And I was only on tamoxifen for 1 1/2 years. But I did have CAF x 6.

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Old 07-09-2015, 02:25 PM   #16
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Oh my teeth (and gums)! Not sure I can blame it on chemo, Herceptin or AI's, though.

Full mouth gum surgery in 1989-1990, 4 times a year at the periodontist for teeth cleaning, check ups. 2 implants with bone grafts (one before chemo and one after), another one in waiting. Root canals, crowns, onlays, fillings.

Used Biotene products through chemo - mouthwash, toothpaste, gel and my mouth didn't suffer at all.

I have been using prevident toothpaste (prescription fluoride) for the past 4 months and my hygienist said she could really tell a difference (positive). Something else you may want to mention to the dentist

I guess I'm just happy that most of my teeth are still in my mouth after 25 years. Never really thought about the after effects of chemo and other drugs

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April 9, 2013: Begin radiation 28x
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July 15, 2013: Switched to Letrozole (Femara). Probably for the rest of my life
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Old 07-11-2015, 06:51 AM   #17
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Yes for sure....I have been going to see my dentist every 3 months for a cleaning.
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P.S. Happy BD Suzan - rock those socks off today!!!
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:10 PM   #19
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I had no dental problems as a result of my chemo of TCH. There can be other factors that can increase the risk of dental problems such as dry mouth. Dry mouth can possibly be a side effect from certain meds as well as stress. A sig decrease in saliva can put one at risk for dental decay. This can be counted by making changes in your oral hygiene daily routine.
Sometimes people suck on hard candies to help alleviate dry mouth. If done too often, can make one very high risk for decay.
There are products on the market to help prevent decay.
Clenching can also increase risk of causing fractures or putting undue stress on roots of teeth. Clenching is not uncommon with acute stress. The side effects of clenching can also be minimized with awareness, massages, etc.
Biotene is suppose to be designed for dry mouth. I heard of one person that does "oil pulling" which is swishing with coconut oil. If I had dry mouth, I would try that.
Various products to help reduce dental decay: Sensodyne Restore and Repair, Prevident was mentioned earlier and thats good, MI Paste (RX) should help considerably.
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Grade: intermediate
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Bilat mastectomy with DIEP flap reconstruction
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:50 PM   #20
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Harrie!

Good to hear from you and you ought to know about these things ...

Good tip on the coconut oil - never heard of it before.
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Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
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Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
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Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
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2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and half of 2017. Boring ...
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