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06-13-2010, 10:38 PM
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Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Hi Ladies and Gentlemen,
I just finished my 52 weeks of Herceptin 2 weeks ago--yahoo--
The last 20 months, I have had regular CT's-PET/CT's and MRI(head) etc--nothing showing at all--thank God!
However, I have been in excrutiating pain in my hips and knees-so my Onc ordered a bone scan, which I had last Friday, I am a nervous wreck that I have never had a bone scan until now??? Is that normal???--perhaps no reason to, since I am Stage 1/No Nodes--???
Would bone mets have shown on any other tests? of course I am worried since I see so many of you have bone scans?
Thanks in advance----
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DX: 11/08 Age: 53
Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
6/10-Bone Scan-clear
12/10-PET/CT-All Clear-NED
12/11-PET-All Clear-NED
12/12-PET-All Clear-NED
12/13-CT w/contrast Head, Torso-All Clear
12/14-CT w/contrast Head-All Clear
2/15-Core needle biopsy-R scar line
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06-13-2010, 11:20 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: "Love never fails."
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
From the American Cancer Society site, it looks like several tests can detect bone mets:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/co...6.asp?sitearea=
Congratulations on completing your treatment.
I was also worried about my bones (because so many of our members have had bone scans  and requested for a bone scan back in 2008. It did not find anything. But two years after the bone scan, I found the cervical vertebrae degeneration through neck x-ray (c-scan) because of neck pain (I was so sure that I'd had bone mets at the time.) Since I'd had Tamoxifen for about 5 years before the problem arose, I would think the chance for you to have bone problems at this point is slim.
Perhaps arthritis? Side effects from Herceptin? I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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06-14-2010, 04:15 AM
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Location: MN
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
I have bone mets and yes they always show up on pet/ct scans. So if yours have been clear I think your pain is caused by something other than mets. A bone scan might be able to detect other causes like arthritis. I've never had excruitiating pain from my bone mets so that too makes me think yours is something else.
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Pam
6/01 IBC er+ her2+stage IIIb; mastecomy
7/01 AC, taxol; radiation
2/02 tamoxifen
9/02 stage IV bone mets femara
1/03 taxotere/herceptin/aredia
6/03 herceptin, aredia & faslodex
1/04 navelbine, herceptin, aredia
2/05 herceptin/aredia
7/05 xeloda/herceptin/aredia
3/07 xeloda/tykerb/aredia
5/08 taxol/avastin/aredia
2/09 gemzar/herceptin/zometa
7/09 Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin, zometa
10/09 navelbine/herceptin & zometa
2/10 herceptin & tykerb & zometa
4/10 add xeloda &aromasin
10/10 dx with dermatomyiositis triggered by cancer
11/10 restart herceptin, tykerb, zometa
12/10 surgery-place rod in R femur to stabilize bone
1/11 radiation to R femur - 20 tx
2/11 2nd surgery - rod in Left femur
2/11 tx eribulen -- suspended dx brain mets
3/11 brain mets wbr 20 tx
4/11 halaven; discontine 8/11 not working
8/11 radiation to left femur 20 tx'
8-9/11 rad to lower spine
9/11 abraxane/herceptin/zometa
9/12 xeloda/herceptin/zometa
12/12 ablation of liver
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06-14-2010, 06:09 AM
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Location: Virginia Beach, Virginia
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Pet/CT is very good at picking up lytic lesions of the bone but not blastic lesions. Blastic lesions are seen on Bone Scans. Did your onc say your calcium or alkaline phos were high? That can also be a tip that bone mets may be the case.
Hope it's just some old age creeping into those bones!!!
Good Luck and let us know....Darlene
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06/29/09 CYBERKNIFE
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06-14-2010, 06:50 AM
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
HI Jackie, Pam and Darlene,
I don't have any of the symptoms of bone mets--except the pain--
All other symptoms are negative---I have NOT had high calcium, infact it has been low on a few occasions and I have had to have an infusion of Calcium--don't know if I have ever had alkaline phosphates done?
I am praying for great results in the next few days!!!
Thanks for your support!!!
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DX: 11/08 Age: 53
Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
6/10-Bone Scan-clear
12/10-PET/CT-All Clear-NED
12/11-PET-All Clear-NED
12/12-PET-All Clear-NED
12/13-CT w/contrast Head, Torso-All Clear
12/14-CT w/contrast Head-All Clear
2/15-Core needle biopsy-R scar line
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06-14-2010, 12:46 PM
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Location: Ireland
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Hi Cal gal,
I think if nodes are clear they don't do a bone scan, only if they're positive in case it spread elsewhere.
Earlier in the year I had a lot of bone pain (back and hip), had a bone scan and one area lit up. I then had an MRI which was inconclusive, pet/ct which was clear but as the spot was too small to biopsy I had to wait two months to repeat the mri.
Glad to say it was clear, not sure what exactly showed up on the mri/bone scan but as blood work was okay my onc was happy to declare me still NED.
I thought this may give you more reason to feel hopeful, and will be keeping good thoughts for you
P.S....I forgot to mention I recently saw a Physical therapist who along with my GP diagnosed sciatica!! Not pleasant but better than cancer!
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Tricia
Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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06-14-2010, 01:09 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Thanks Tricia,
I agree that being Stage 1, Node Negative--they most likely perform the core tests--infact initially my insurance--(great insurance )would not cover my PET's due to Stage 1/Node Negative status---ultimately they did---
I am hoping for something easy like arthritis vs cancer!!!!
Have a great day--
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DX: 11/08 Age: 53
Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
6/10-Bone Scan-clear
12/10-PET/CT-All Clear-NED
12/11-PET-All Clear-NED
12/12-PET-All Clear-NED
12/13-CT w/contrast Head, Torso-All Clear
12/14-CT w/contrast Head-All Clear
2/15-Core needle biopsy-R scar line
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06-14-2010, 08:41 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Saratoga Springs New York
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Bone Mets can be tricky on a scan. I think active bone marrow can also light up on scans. If you have been on any WBC shots to boost bone marrow it could give a false reading, I think. I have mets to the spine and it is extremely painful. I also had mets on my pelvic/hip area that hurt. I currently have a spot on my arm and one on my collar bone area that the Dr. said I wouldn't be able to feel them and I don't. Maybe it depends on size/depth, everyone is different. I hope some of this helps. Sally
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Dx March 2004 HER2+ er/pr+ 8/16 + lymphnodes mets to the liver Stage IV / 6 cycles of TCH and 33 rads . NED Continued Herceptin 3 years w/ Femara. Tumor markers start to rise in Jan of 2007 and swiched to Tamoxifen. August of 2007 found more mets to liver and lymphnodes outside of liver. Went on Tykerb/Xeleoda--spots on liver gone found large mass between intestines. March 2008 started TCH. Stopped Carboplatin due to allergy. Still on Taxotere and Herceptin. Nov 2008 mass is gone. 3 new spot on liver and one on spine. Radiation on spine. tykerb/gemzar for liver mets. PET in April 09 showed shrinkage still a little activity, continue tykerb/gemzar until Aug 09. PET showed new spot on my spine more on my liver and a bunch of enlarged lymphnodes in upper chest. Start Adriamycin Sep 09. more radiation on spine . April 2010- Still on Adriamycin 3wks on 1 wk off and zometa every 28 days. PET -May 2010 showed progression. Starting Herceptin/Navelbine on June '10
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06-14-2010, 10:48 PM
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Thanks Sally--I appreciate the note--have a great evening--
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DX: 11/08 Age: 53
Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
6/10-Bone Scan-clear
12/10-PET/CT-All Clear-NED
12/11-PET-All Clear-NED
12/12-PET-All Clear-NED
12/13-CT w/contrast Head, Torso-All Clear
12/14-CT w/contrast Head-All Clear
2/15-Core needle biopsy-R scar line
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06-19-2010, 07:04 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2009
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Thanks everyone--
Bone scan was clear---my knees have some degenerative stuff going on, as well as my big toe, but clear for mets!!!
Onc said hip pain and knee pain should get better w/time
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DX: 11/08 Age: 53
Surgery: 1/09
Bilat Mastectomy, no reconstruction
ILC-4 tumors-1.7 cm,1.5 cm (2).8 cm
DCIS-11 cm
All tumors Grade 3
All tumors ER-0%/PR-0%
All tumors HER2+
IHC-all tumors Overexpression/borderline
FISH 2 tumors Her2-Negative
FISH 2 tumors Her2+ Equivocal
Stage I, 0/1 nodes
LVI-Indeterminate(treated as positive)
SPR Score 8/9
Ki-67 20%
BRCA genetic test 1/2=negative
Chemo: 6 rounds TAC Feb-June 2009 w/Neulasta
Herceptin: 6/12/09-6/4/10 52weeks
HNPCC genetic test: negative
Port Placement-9/23/09 Port Removal 6/25/10
Echo's every 3 months-All normal
2/09 Staging PET/CT showed 0.2 micronodule upper R lobe-lung-Onc does not think this is mets--
6/5/09 AND 10/09 CT scan 0.2 micronodule unchanged
1/10-PET/CT-uptake in nasopharynx-
1/10-MRI All normal
6/10-Bone Scan-clear
12/10-PET/CT-All Clear-NED
12/11-PET-All Clear-NED
12/12-PET-All Clear-NED
12/13-CT w/contrast Head, Torso-All Clear
12/14-CT w/contrast Head-All Clear
2/15-Core needle biopsy-R scar line
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06-19-2010, 07:32 PM
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Location: Southern, CA
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
That's great news...now you can breath again.
Chelee
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DX: 12-20-05 - Stage IIIA, Her2/Neu, 3+++,Er & Pr weakly positive, 5 of 16 pos nodes.
Rt. MRM on 1-3-06 -- No Rads due to compromised lungs.
Chemo started 2-7-06 -- TCH - - Finished 6-12-06
Finished yr of wkly herceptin 3-19-07
3-15-07 Lt side prophylactic simple mastectomy. -- Ooph 4-05-07
9-21-09 PET/CT "Recurrence" to Rt. axllia, Rt. femur, ilium. Possible Sacrum & liver? Now stage IV.
9-28-09 Loading dose of Herceptin & started Zometa
9-29-09 Power Port Placement
10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
7-7-10 Recurrence to RT axilla again. Back to UCLA for options.
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06-20-2010, 01:16 PM
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Re: Do Bone Mets Show Up on PET/CT?
Great news, so happy for you
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Tricia
Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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