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Old 11-04-2011, 02:36 PM   #1
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Question Infertility and Breast Cancer?

I would be interested in knowing if anyone here was an infertility patient at some point prior to being a breast cancer patient.

I have under gone several rounds of infertility treatment, including 4 IVF cycles... thats ALOT of hormones being injected over the years.

Both my surgeon and my oncologist seem to think there is no link. I find this hard to believe considering my cancer was ER/PR+.

Thoughts?

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Old 11-04-2011, 03:40 PM   #2
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

I only had had three infertility treatment - first month taking some kind of pills, then 2nd and 3rd months artificial insemination.

I believe the time was around fall of 1998 (or 1999). By 2000 (or 2001), the ultrasound found three uterine fibroids and I was (ironically given birth control pills to 'shrink' it.

When breast cancer was found in my annual mammogram in 2003(hubby felt it 30 hours before the scheduled mammography - or we might never have found it as it was on the edge and I was flat-chested), my gynecologist told me to quit taking the birth control pills (He did not know that I'd been diagnosed with breast cancer until I called him on the phone.) The tumor was tested and found to be Her2+++ and Er+.

I took Tamoxifen for 3 years before the recurrence was found 4 years after the lumpectomy (the surgeon thought she'd gotten a 'clean margin', so the new growth had been interpreted as 'scar tissue' - yet nobody had informed me about it.) It's the exact same cancer - Her2+++ and Er 5%.
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Old 11-04-2011, 05:46 PM   #3
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

I spent almost 7 years undergoing infertility treatment. While my Onc has said the same as yours, I am convinced 7 years of playing with hormones created the right conditions for my diagnosis. I had 3 IUI's and 3 IVF's.

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Old 11-05-2011, 12:48 AM   #4
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

Hi Kell,

I carried my sisters son (which was my brother in-law and sisters embr.), so my body had to have the same cycle timing as hers. My husband had to give me shots to do so. I have forgotten the name of the shots. It was 13 years ago! Of coarse I asked my onc. if doing that had anything to do with my bc and he said no.

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Old 11-05-2011, 08:29 PM   #5
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

I took clomid for about 5 months. 2 years later, stage iii, but not er+. After chemo cycle has been normal. In fact, I have had two babies in past 2 1/2 years. I needed the chemo to cure my infertility.
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Old 11-07-2011, 06:16 AM   #6
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

K-
My husband and I were in fertility treatment for nearly 5 years before we conceived our eldest son. My cycle was stopped and started repeatedly... I got pills and shots galore...I had blood drawn 72 times in one 5 month period...When I was pregnant, I popped progesterone pills like M&Ms...but my cancer is ER/PR negative...so I really don't think it had anything to do with my BC. In fact, my onc was quick to reassure me that it had no effect.

Not sure if my belief is right, but I wouldn't trade my boys for anything...not even a clean bill of health...so for me the point is moot. But, if it hadn't gotten me 2 great kids...I'd be looking for butts to kick!

Good luck in your quest for answers!
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:13 AM   #7
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

3twins: re your signature line which i italicised here..... you are ER/PR negative. Rest assured the pill or hormone treatments of any kind could not have caused your cancer!!!!!!!

I spent almost 7 years undergoing infertility treatment. While my Onc has said the same as yours, I am convinced 7 years of playing with hormones created the right conditions for my diagnosis. I had 3 IUI's and 3 IVF's.

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fall 2008: mammo of rt breast worrisome so am asked to redo mammo and have ultrasound of rt breast.I delay it til january 2009 and the results are "no cancer in rt breast. phew."
found plum sized lump in right breast the day before my dad died: April 17th 2011. saw it in mirror, while i was wearing a top, examining my figure after losing 10 lbs on dr. bernstein diet.
diagnosed may 10 2011

mast/lymphectomy: june 7 2011, 5/20 cancerous nodes. stage 3a before radiation oncologist during our first mtg on july 15th says he found cancer on the lymph node of my breast bone. Now stage 3b.
her2+++, EN-, PN-. Rt brst tumors:3 at onset, 4.5 cm was the big one
chemos: 3fec's followed by 3 taxotere, total of 18 wks chemo. sept: halfway thru chemo the mastectomy scar decides to open and ooze pus. (not healed before chemo) eventually with canasten powder sent by friend in ny (illegal in canada) it heals.
radiations:although scheduled to begin 25 january 2012, I am so terrified by it (rads cause other cancers) I don't start til february, miss a bunch, reschedule them all and finally finish 35 rads mid april. reason for 7 extra atop the 28 scheduled is that when i first met my rads oncologist he said he saw a tumor on the lymph node of my breastbone. extra 7 are special kind of beam used for that lymphnode. rads onc tells me nobody ever took so long to do rads so he cannot speak for effectiveness. trials had been done only on consecutive days so......we'll see.....
10 mos of herceptin started 6 wks into chemo. canadian onc says 10 mos is just as effective as the full yr recommended by dr. slamon......so we'll see..completed july 2012.
Sept 18 2012: reconstruction and 3 drains. fails. i wear antibiotic pouch on my job for two months and have 60 consecutive days visiting a nursing centre where they apply burn victims' silver paper and clean the oozing infection daily. silicone leaks out daily. plastic surgeon in caribbean. emergency dept wont remove "his" work. He finally appears and orders me in into an emergency removal of implant. I make him promise no drains and I get my way. No infection as a result. Chest looks like a map of Brazil. Had a perfectly good left breast on Sept 17th but surgeon wanted to "save another woman an operation" ? so he had crashed two operations together on my left breast, foregoing the intermediary operation where you install an expander. the first surgeon a year earlier had flat out refused to waste five hours on his feet taking both boobs. flat out refusal. between the canadian health system saving money and both these asses, I got screwed. who knows when i can next get enough time off work (i work for myself and have no substitute when my husband is on contract) to get boobs again. arrrgh.


I have a blog where I document this trip and vent.
www.nora'scancerblog.blogspot.com . I stopped the blog before radiation. I think the steroids made me more angry and depressed and i just hated reading it anymore
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Old 11-07-2011, 10:15 AM   #8
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

to denise;
re your signature line italicised below: you could not POSSIBLY have gotten your cancer from either the pill or miscarriage or fertility treatments as you are hormone negative.

K-
My husband and I were in fertility treatment for nearly 5 years before we conceived our eldest son. My cycle was stopped and started repeatedly... I got pills and shots galore...I had blood drawn 72 times in one 5 month period...When I was pregnant, I popped progesterone pills like M&Ms...but my cancer is ER/PR negative...so I really don't think it had anything to do with my BC. In fact, my onc was quick to reassure me that it had no effect.

Not sure if my belief is right, but I wouldn't trade my boys for anything...not even a clean bill of health...so for me the point is moot. But, if it hadn't gotten me 2 great kids...I'd be looking for butts to kick!

Good luck in your quest for answers!
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fall 2008: mammo of rt breast worrisome so am asked to redo mammo and have ultrasound of rt breast.I delay it til january 2009 and the results are "no cancer in rt breast. phew."
found plum sized lump in right breast the day before my dad died: April 17th 2011. saw it in mirror, while i was wearing a top, examining my figure after losing 10 lbs on dr. bernstein diet.
diagnosed may 10 2011

mast/lymphectomy: june 7 2011, 5/20 cancerous nodes. stage 3a before radiation oncologist during our first mtg on july 15th says he found cancer on the lymph node of my breast bone. Now stage 3b.
her2+++, EN-, PN-. Rt brst tumors:3 at onset, 4.5 cm was the big one
chemos: 3fec's followed by 3 taxotere, total of 18 wks chemo. sept: halfway thru chemo the mastectomy scar decides to open and ooze pus. (not healed before chemo) eventually with canasten powder sent by friend in ny (illegal in canada) it heals.
radiations:although scheduled to begin 25 january 2012, I am so terrified by it (rads cause other cancers) I don't start til february, miss a bunch, reschedule them all and finally finish 35 rads mid april. reason for 7 extra atop the 28 scheduled is that when i first met my rads oncologist he said he saw a tumor on the lymph node of my breastbone. extra 7 are special kind of beam used for that lymphnode. rads onc tells me nobody ever took so long to do rads so he cannot speak for effectiveness. trials had been done only on consecutive days so......we'll see.....
10 mos of herceptin started 6 wks into chemo. canadian onc says 10 mos is just as effective as the full yr recommended by dr. slamon......so we'll see..completed july 2012.
Sept 18 2012: reconstruction and 3 drains. fails. i wear antibiotic pouch on my job for two months and have 60 consecutive days visiting a nursing centre where they apply burn victims' silver paper and clean the oozing infection daily. silicone leaks out daily. plastic surgeon in caribbean. emergency dept wont remove "his" work. He finally appears and orders me in into an emergency removal of implant. I make him promise no drains and I get my way. No infection as a result. Chest looks like a map of Brazil. Had a perfectly good left breast on Sept 17th but surgeon wanted to "save another woman an operation" ? so he had crashed two operations together on my left breast, foregoing the intermediary operation where you install an expander. the first surgeon a year earlier had flat out refused to waste five hours on his feet taking both boobs. flat out refusal. between the canadian health system saving money and both these asses, I got screwed. who knows when i can next get enough time off work (i work for myself and have no substitute when my husband is on contract) to get boobs again. arrrgh.


I have a blog where I document this trip and vent.
www.nora'scancerblog.blogspot.com . I stopped the blog before radiation. I think the steroids made me more angry and depressed and i just hated reading it anymore
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Old 11-07-2011, 01:23 PM   #9
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

Hi Nora-
It's not as cut and dry as that, unfortunately. Besides estrogen and progesterone, LOTS of other chemicals and hormones are used in infertility treatment. And, since we don't know what causes cancer....we can't be 100% sure what doesn't either.

But again...no regrets here...it got me my beautiful sons...and I wouldn't give that up for anything!!

Denise
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1/11-needle biopsy
2/11-Lumpectomy/axillary node dissection - Stage 3c, ER/PR-14/17 nodes
3/11 - Post-op staph infection,cellulitis, lymphedema,seroma,ARRRGH!
4/12/11-A/C x 4, then T/H x 4, H only,Q3 weeks
8/26/11 finished Taxol!!!
10/7/11 mastectomy/DIEP recon
11/11 radiation x28
1/12/12 1st CANCER-VERSARY!
1/12 Low EF/Herceptin "Holiday" :(
2/12 EF up - Back on Herceptin, heart meds
4/2/1212 surgery to repair separated incision from DIEP recon
6/8/12 Return to work :)
6/17/12 Fall, shatter wrist,surgery to repair/insert plate :(
7/10/12 last Herceptin
7/23/12 Brain Mets %$&#! 3cm and 1cm
8/10/12 Gamma knife surgery, LOTS of steroids;start H/Tykerb
8/23/12 Back to work
12/20/12 Injure back-3 weeks in wheel chair
1/12/13 2nd CANCER-VERSARY!
1/14/13 herniate disk in back - surgery to repair
1/27/13 Radiation necrosis - edema in brain - back on steroids - but not back to work - off balance, poor cordination in right arm
5/3/13 Start Avastin to shrink necrosis
5/10/13 begin weaning steroids
6/18/13 Brain MRI - Avastin seems to be working!
6/20/13 quarterly CT - chest, abdomen, pelvis - All Clear!
7/5/13 finally off steroids!!
7/7/13 joined the ranks of the CHEMO NINJAS I am now Tekuto Ki Ariku cancer assassin!
7/13/13 Symptoms return - back on steroids
7/26/13 Back on Avastin - try again!
8/26/13 Not ready to return to classroom yet :( But I CAN walk without holding onto things! :)
9/9/13 Brain MRI - fingers crossed
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Old 11-08-2011, 11:30 PM   #10
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Re: Infertility and Breast Cancer?

Norkdo,
Thanks for pointing out my signature because It made me realize that it is incorrect. I am ER+ and am just completing my first year of Arimidex.
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