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Old 07-06-2009, 08:09 AM   #1
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Unhappy homecare and other options?

Hello everyone,

Unfortunently my mothers disease has progressed considerably in the past few months. She had brain radiation for the second time in march, the doctor was surprised (pleasantly suprised) that she responded, we are very thank full for that. however, we know that it is still there and will progress eventually. what other options are there? tykerb/zeloda failed last year. are there any other chemos that can cross the bbb?

We are usually a family filled with hope but my moms situation does seem dire. she also has mets in the lung and liver. and from what the doctor has told me there are innumerable mets in her spine now.

My mom is very weak right now, she does not get up from the bed very often as she is still unsteady on her feet. She is however still absolutely set on fighting this disease and refuses to give up.

My other concern is that there is a period of time when i leave for college and before my aunt comes that we will need someone to help my mom at home. Does anyone know anything about social workers or patient care takers?

thanks so much!
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:03 AM   #2
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Sue, my orig dx: 12-99

Sue,

I was 50 - dx'd Stage IIIb,

My mets were July & Sept. 2002. I had focalized radiation for the two brain mets - Navelbine/Herceptin worked magic on my internal nodes, small spot on a lung, and spot on my pelvis. Bod's stayed NED since then. But not so my brain. The second occurance in brain was with 14 lesions. They were all treated with more focalized rads (2 SRS Headframe & 2 CyberKnifes two days apart.) over the course of 17 mos. ( have just checked on the time).

With my current six brain mets I was told: no more rads, EXCEPT WBR/T.... So, since Aug. '05 I have been on Xeloda/TEMODAR. Only added the Tykerb about two yrs ago when it became available.

The Xeloda/Temodar combo worked fantastic at first. However for the past two yrs., I have been periodically progressing slowly. Now will be changing to ?? something else. ASAP

My intent here is to see if you've considered this particular combintation? Here is my dose/schedule 'in case' you'd consider it: (me age 60 on the 12th. NO, I don't have any other mets that we know of, nor other health issues we know of. Very much unlike your mom)

Xeloda: 2000 mgs. TOTAL per day - in two divided doses, 7 days on, 7 days off. Temodar: 250 mgs. per 7 days out of every 28, (in combination w/ the Xeloda.) Since there was no 'standard' at the time, my onc created this dosage/schedule for me over time... as he had originally. It was never a higher dosage, however. Schedule of days differed a bit with a lower dosage briefly.

I'm hoping so much that your mom will combine her spirit with SOMETHING that will do her justice.

Wishing her (and yourself!) the most compassion... and best care available to your mom.

xoxopattyz
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:26 AM   #3
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Wink homecare and other options?

I think I read that Carboplatin can be used for brain lesions, but I could be wrong about that. Ask your mother's doctor if that can be used. Check to see if your mother's insurance will help pay for homecare or call your local Catholic Charities office. They might be able to suggest some resources. If your city or state has a phone system where you dial 211 to get suggestions about homecare you might be able to get some info from that source. Of course you might have to do background checks on the people they suggest. Your mother's doctor or nurse might be able to make suggestions. The hospital social worker might be able to suggestions some options.
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:24 PM   #4
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Hello Swetheart, I missed you and am so sorry that we have to meet again like this. I would like to talk to you so when you get a chance please pm, I will give you some of the previous research I had to do for Ed, he has too many brain mets to count and is in a dire situation since a second whole brain radiation and radiation in general is out. Please keep the faith until we can get you some help for Mom. There may be something on my list that can help her. I only popped in for a second and I am glad I did. Please give me a hollar...and hold on to hope the best way you can. I will be back later. Love to you as always.>>Believe51
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Old 07-06-2009, 12:31 PM   #5
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Dear Loveher -
Sorry to hear that your Mom is in this situation. She may be too weak for the Carboplatin that was suggested.

Has she had the bone mets radiated?? This can be done and will shrink her tumor load. Keep pushing her doctor for other treatments. Don't let him give up on her.

Your mom's nurse case manager should have all the information on hospice (this does not mean she is at the end), but that you need more help and they also give "palliative care." You and your aunt should not be taking on your Mom's care without outside help now anyway.

You have all our best thoughts and hope for your mother.
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Old 07-06-2009, 09:13 PM   #6
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Wink homecare and other options?

Maybe your local American Cancer Society would be able to suggest some resources for homecare too.
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Old 07-06-2009, 11:56 PM   #7
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Hello Sue,
I am sorry I don't have any advice to give in regards to tx. As far as home care goes, maybe you can talk to a home health nurse and get some information.
Mainly I just wanted to say hi to you and let you know I am thinking of you and your family.
Take care Princess.
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Old 07-07-2009, 11:47 PM   #8
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Just thinking outloud with you. Why did Mom stop the Ixempra, were the side effects too rough for her?? Dosage can be adjusted if need be and has proven thus far to be a great drug. Ed is on the Ixempra alone and it is unknown at this point if it passes the BBB, a sister drug to Ixempra does. Anyone I know that is on this drug also uses something else or adds Herceptin to the mix. They also have mets systemically in other areas and not the brain. Ed has the disease controlled in the body for the most part, it is his brain that is severely affected. If this drug does pass the BBB I will be the first to know and will blast the marvelous news here.

I will talk to you soon. Just wanted to ask about the Ixempra. I even think I will have Ed's dosage changed because he is soooo so frail right now.>>Believe51
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:56 AM   #9
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So sorry to hear about your Mother....have you tried to talk to the social worker where she gets her treatment, or call the American Cancer Society...they may readily know what options are available in your area. I would go with the social worker first.....sending you positive thoughts and prayers that your Mom will regain her strength...it is hard to concentrate on school when you are worried abvout your Mom!
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Oh Sue, I am sorry to hear the news about your mom. Glad to hear you are still in college and you sound like you are handling things on behalf of your mom.
Way to be a warrior-daughter : )
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12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
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May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
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3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
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October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
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Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
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FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
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MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:00 PM   #11
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Sue,

Be sure to talk to the counselor at your school when you return to campus. They will provide needed support to you as you are going through such tough time in your personal life.

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