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Old 06-10-2009, 02:31 PM   #1
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Exclamation Tykerb and Tired

Has anyone on the full dose experienced a lot of fatigue requiring 1-2 naps a day. Pooped! Ceesun
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Old 06-10-2009, 08:56 PM   #2
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Hey Ceesun, I am sorry to hear of your fatique and want to tell you Ed had a tiring time on the Tykerb. If you ask him about fatique he will tell you that the Ixempra has been the worst of all 4 treatments. Take those naps Sweetie and try to do this guilt-free. Follow those urges closely and know when to push yourself if needed. Right now rest is important, let the drugs work their magic! Sending you love today and always. Keep the faith and stay strong.>>Believe51
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:04 PM   #3
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Wink Tykerb and Tired

I agree with Believe. We as women sometimes feel guilty when we need more rest. We are so used to doing it all. Now is the time to kick back and relax a little.
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:20 PM   #4
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I'm not really tired - I'm more like - EXHAUSTED!!

Took an 8 day tykerb break and felt considerably better.

Have been gradually weaning back up to full dose. Up to (4) a day for the past few days. I am so friggin' pooped. I don't exactly know what to "do" but I am noticing that when I force (and I mean force) myself to walk more I feel better. I know that exercise it the only cure for chemo fatigue. Blah, blah, blah.

I don't know if anyone's really studied the long term effects of tykerb. For me it's been 2 years. I can tell you it makes you really tired!
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2002 recurrence. Bilateral mastectomy w/TFL autologous recon. Then ACx2. Skin lymphatic rash. Taxotere w/Herceptin x4. Herceptin/Xeloda. Finally stops spreading.
2003 - Back to surgery, remove skin mets, and will have surgery one week later when pathology can confirm margins.
‘03 latisimus dorsi flap to remove skin mets. CLEAN MARGINS. Continue single agent Herceptin thru 4/04. NED.
‘04 '05 & 06 tiny recurrences - scar line. surgery to cut out. NED each time.
1/2006 Rads again, to scar line. NED.

3/07 Heartbreaking news - mets! lungs.sternum. Try Tykerb/Xeloda. Tykerb/Carbo/Gemzar. Switch Oncs.
12/07 Herceptin.Tykerb. Markers go stable.
2/8/08 gamma knife 13mm stupid brain met.
3/08 Herceptin/tykerb/avastin/zometa.
3/09 brain NED. Lungs STABLE.
4/09 attack sternum (10 daysPHOTONS.5 days ELECTRONS)
9/09 MARKERS normal!
3/10 PET/CT=manubrium intensely metabolically active but stable. NEDhead.
Wash out 5/10 for tdm1 but 6/10 CT STABLE, PET improving. Markers normal. Brain NED. Resume just Herceptin plus ZOMETA
Dec 2010 Brain NED, lungs/sternum stable. markers normal.
MAR 2011 stop Herceptin/allergy! Go back on Tykerb and switch to Xgeva.
May-Aug 2011 Tykerb Herceptin Xgeva.
Sept 2011 Tykerb, Herceptin, Zometa, Avastin.
April 2012 sketchy drug trial in NYC. 6 weeks later I’m NED!
OCT 2012 PET/CT shows a bunch of freakin’ progression. Back to LA and Herceptin.avastin.zometa.
12/20/12 add in PERJETA!
March 2013 – 5 YEARS POST continue HAPZ
APRIL 2013 - 6 yrs stage 4. "FAILED" PETscan on 4/2/13
May 2013: rePetted - improvement in lungs, left adrenal stable, right 6th rib inactive, (must be PERJETA avastin) sternum and L1 fruckin'worsen. Drop zometa. ADD Xgeva. Doc says get rads consultant for L1 and possible biopsy of L1. I say, no thanks, doc. Lets see what xgeva brings to the table first. It's summer.
June-August 2013HAPX Herceptin Avastin Perjeta xgeva.
Sept - now - on chemo hold for calming tummy we hope. Markers stable for 2 months.
Nov 2013 - Herceptin-Perjeta-Avastin-Xgeva (collageneous colitis, which explains tummy probs, added Entocort)
December '13 BRAIN MRI ned in da head.
Jan 2014: CONTINUING on HAPX…
FEB 2014 PetCT clinical “impression”: 1. newbie nodule - SUV 1.5 right apical nodule, mildly hypermetabolic “suggestive” of worsening neoplastic lesion. 2. moderate worsening of the sternum – SUV 5.6 from 3.8
3. increasing sclerosis & decreasing activity of L1 met “suggests” mild healing. (SUV 9.4 v 12.1 in May ‘13)
4. scattered lung nodules, up to 5mm in size = stable, no increased activity
5. other small scattered sclerotic lesions, one in right iliac and one in thoracic vertebral body similar in appearance to L1 without PET activity and not clearly pathologic
APRIL 2014 - 6 YRS POST GAMMA ZAP, 7 YRS MBC & 18 YEARS FROM ORIGINAL DX!
October 2014: hold avastin, continue HPX
Feb 2015 Cancer you lost. NEDHEAD 7 years post gamma zap miracle, 8 years ST4, +19 yrs original diagnosis.
Continue HPX. Adding back Avastin
Nov 2015 pet/ct is mixed result. L1 SUV is worse. Continue Herceptin/avastin/xgeva. Might revisit Perjeta for L1. Meantime going for rads consult for L1
December 2015 - brain stable. Continue Herceptin, Perjeta, Avastin and xgeva.
Jan 2016: 5 days, 20 grays, Rads to L1 and continue on HAPX. I’m trying to "save" TDM1 for next line. Hope the rads work to quiet L1. Sciatic pain extraordinaire :((
Markers drop post rads.
2/24/16 HAP plus X - markers are down
SCIATIC PAIN DEAL BREAKER.
3/23/16 Laminectomy w/coflex implant L4/5. NO MORE SCIATIC PAIN!!! Healing.
APRIL 2016 - 9 YRS MBC
July 2016 - continue HAP plus Xgeva.
DEC 2016 - PETCT: mets to sternum, lungs, L1 still about the same in size and PET activity. Markers not bad. Not making changes if I don't need to. Herceptin/Perjeta/Avastin/Xgeva
APRIL 2017 10 YEARS MBC
December 2017 - Progression - gonna switch it up
FEB 2018 - Kadcyla 3 cycles ---->progression :(
MAY30th - bronchoscopy, w/foundation1 - her2 enriched
Aug 27, 2018 - start clinical trial ZW25
JAN 2019 - ZW25 seems to be keeping me stable
APRIL 2019 - ONE DOZEN YEARS LIVING METASTATIC
MAY 2019 - progression back on herceptin add xeloda
JUNE 2019 - "6 mos average survival" LMD & CNS new single brain met - one zap during 5 days true beam SBRT to cord met
10/30/19 - stable brain and cord. progression lungs and bones. washing out. applying for ds8201a w nivolumab. hope they take me.
12/27/19 - begin ds8401a w nivolumab. after 2nd cycle nodes melt away. after 3rd cycle chest scan shows Improvement, brain MRI shows improvement, resolved areas & nothing new. switch to plain ENHERTU. after 4th cycle, PETscan shows mostly resolved or improved results. Markers near normal. I'm stunned but grateful.
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:45 PM   #5
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Just took my very 1st dose of Tykerb tonight.
I almost started crying...don't know why. Weird. My dog was staring at me like I'm crazy.
I'm hoping for the very best, first & foremost, the return of NED, but also, hoping & praying the SE's are manageable.
Thanks to everyone here who's posted about their experiences on Tykerb - it makes the path for those of us who follow in your footsteps a little less bumpy.
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:49 PM   #6
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Jml, doggie's reaction made me smile, please kiss him for me tonight. Best of luck on your quest for NED.....hopefully we can all meet up together.>>Believe51
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6/25/07BrainMRI=BrainMets,Many<9mm7/10/07WBR/PelvisRad37.5Gx15&Nutritionist8/19/07T/X9/20/07BrainMRI=2<2mm10/6/07Pet=BoneProgression
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Ixempra/Faslodex/Zometa~TM now lower7/17/09Stop Ixempra By Choice9/21/09HOSPICE10/16/09Earned His Deserved Wings And Halo=37 Month Fight w/Stage 4 IBC, Her2+++,My Hero!!
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Old 06-11-2009, 12:32 AM   #7
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Hi Ceesun
I took Tykerb for one year. (5 pills in the morning). I was so tired that my onc had me take it 3 weeks and stop one week during the last 4 months. One month after the end of the treatment, my energy came back.
I send you hugs and strength.
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12.2010 Mets to liver,Herceptin+Tykerb
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11.2011 Pet clear. Stop Navelbine, continuing on Hercpetin+Tykerb+Aromasin
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04.2012 TDM1, Ned in 07.2012
04.2015 Stop TDM1/Kadcyla, still Ned, liver problems
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09.2016 Biopsy to liver. no more HER2, still ER+
09.2016 CMF Afinitor/Aromasin/ Xgeva.Met to eye muscle Cyberknife
01.2017 Gemzar/Carboplatin/ Ibrance/Faslodex then Taxotere
02.2017 30 micro mets to brain breathing getting worse and worse
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06.2017 all tumors shrunk 60% . more micro mets to brain (1mm mets) no symptoms
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Old 06-11-2009, 06:26 AM   #8
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please see my new post on intermittent lapatinib dosing!

I repeat it here:


A phase I dose-escalation study of 5-day intermittent oral lapatinib therapy with biomarker analysis in patients with HER-2-overexpressing breast cancer.

Sub-category: Tyrosine Kinase Inhibitors

Category: Developmental Therapeutics: Molecular Therapeutics

Meeting: 2009 ASCO Annual Meeting


Citation: J Clin Oncol 27, 2009 (suppl; abstr e14530)

Abstract No: e14530





Author(s): A. J. Chien, G. Auerback, H. S. Rugo, M. Melisko, P. N. Munster, E. Khanafshar, K. G. Ordovas, E. F. Petricoin, K. M. Koch, M. M. Moasser; University of California, San Francisco, San Francisco, CA; George Mason University, Manassas, VA; GlaxoSmithKline, Research Triangle Park, NC


Abstract:

Background: Although current HER2 targeting agents have made measurable impact on the treatment of HER2overexpressing breast cancer, their effects have been modest. Recent evidence has redefined the target of interest as the HER2-HER3 signaling dimer and identified inherent signal buffering capacity that protects it against partial inhibitors of HER2 function. In preclinical studies, HER2 catalytic function and HER2-HER3 signaling can be suppressed, but this requires higher fully inactivating doses of HER- family tyrosine kinase inhibitors (TKIs) leading to apoptotic tumor cell death. We hypothesize that TKIs may be much more clinically effective if used at much higher and fully inactivating doses. Such high dosing may only be tolerable if given intermittently rather than continuously. Methods: To test this hypothesis clinically, we conducted a phase 1 dose-escalation study of a 5-day course of lapatinib (Lp) in women with advanced HER2-overexpressing breast cancer. Lp was administered on days 1-5 of a 14 day cycle. Starting Lp dose was 1750 mg/day and was escalated in cohorts of 3 until the maximum tolerated dose (MTD) was defined. The first cycle of Lp therapy was bracketed by tumor fine needle aspirations and serologic studies, performed at baseline and on day 5. Functional signaling pathway biomarker analysis was performed on tumor lysates using Reverse Phase Protein Microarrays to assay the inactivation of HER2-HER3 signaling. Plasma Lp concentration was assayed at all dose levels and cardiac function was rigorously monitored. Tumor core biopsies were performed on a subset of patients at the MTD to determine tissue Lp levels. Results: 17 patients have been treated to date. No grade 4 or serious adverse events (AEs) attributable to Lp have been noted. 1 patient experienced dose-limiting toxicity at dose level 6 (7000 mg/day) consisting of grade 3 diarrhea despite maximal anti-diarrheal support. There have been no cardiac AEs. The most common AEs include grade 2 diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, acne. Conclusions: The MTD and systemic exposure of Lp can be considerably increased throsugh intermittent dosing.
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