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Old 07-31-2006, 01:14 PM   #1
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Alcohol consumption

My understanding is that alcohol is not recommended for those of us with metastases - not sure why. Does anyone have more definitive information? Meanwhile, I am including an article in today's LA Times about the benefits of a daily drink and wondering what is appropriate.

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From the Los Angeles Times
A DRINK A DAY
Alcohol can be good for the heart -- not just occasionally, but often.
Still, doctors hesitate to recommend ...
By Susan Brink
Times Staff Writer

July 31, 2006

WHEN it comes to drinking alcohol for medicinal purposes, most
Americans get it wrong. Take a sampling of wine samplers at a recent
tasting in Santa Barbara.

"I usually drink wine, but not every day," says Mike White, 45. "Then
one day a week, I go big ╉ maybe half to three-quarters of a bottle."
╉ Wrong.

"I drink on the weekends only," says Soph! ie Ca lvin, 40. ╉ That's not
it either.

"I have a glass of wine when I take a bubble bath," says Mary Whitney,
40. "Every night." ╉ Getting close, but it might be better if she also
brought an entrée into the tub.

"I have a glass of wine with dinner each night. I like the taste,"
says Mark Biddeson, 52. "Or I'll have a beer instead sometimes,
depending on what I'm eating." ╉ Bingo! He's got it!

People drink to drown sorrows, celebrate victories, enhance a meal or
loosen up with friends ╉ not necessarily to protect their hearts.
Small wonder.

The folks who wag warning fingers over the dangers of trans fats, and
hail the benefits of leafy greens, are silent on alcohol. These public
health messengers ╉ who remind us to quit smoking, eat fresh fruits
and vegetables and exercise every day ╉ are not about to tell people
to start drinking.

Their reluctance comes even amid growing evidence that ! moder ate
drinking is beneficial. A study last week in the Archives of Internal
Medicine showed that light to moderate alcohol consumption in people
age 70 to 79 is associated with significantly lower rates of cardiac
events and longer survival. A week earlier, researchers reported in
the July 18 issue of the Journal of the American College of Cardiology
that moderate alcohol consumption may help ward off development of
heart failure.

Those studies join dozens of others showing that a drink a day for a
woman, two for a man, is good for heart health. Studies from at least
20 countries in North America, Europe, Asia and Australia consistently
show that moderate drinkers have rates of heart disease between 20%
and 40% lower than abstainers or heavy drinkers, according to the
National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism.

Other research is showing exactly how alcohol is beneficial ╉ and how
to use it to best effe! ct.

The guardians of public health aren't ignoring these data. They know
that for most people, alcohol can be good for the heart. But they also
know that for others, it can be a health and social disaster.

Most doctors err on the side of caution, believing that the risk to
the few outweighs the benefit to the many. They fear that some people
encouraged to drink moderately will end up going too far.

And crossing the line from moderate to abusive drinking not only
erases the heart health benefits, it introduces dozens of additional
health problems. In the former Soviet Union and parts of Eastern
Europe, for example, binge drinking was found to eliminate the rise in
HDL, the cholesterol that protects the heart, seen in moderate
drinkers, according to a 1998 study in the Journal of the Royal
Society of Medicine. In a 2001 study in the International Journal of
Epidemiology, weekend binge drinking in Lithuania was found ! to be
responsible for spikes in the numbers of deaths from heart disease
over the weekend.

"This is a true public health conundrum," says Dr. Thomas Pearson,
chairman of the department of community and preventive medicine at the
University of Rochester School of Medicine. "If you really want to
shift the alcohol balance toward the benefit, you'll concentrate on
responsible drinking among young people. It's in the 45-plus-year-old
where alcohol may be beneficial."

Predicting who would be helped, who might be hurt, by adding a drink
or two a day to the healthy-living formula is an age-related numbers
game. In the United States, an estimated 100,000 excess deaths a year
are attributed to alcohol, most of them in people younger than 45,
according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

And an estimated 7% to 10% of Americans are alcoholics or abusive
drinkers. They cannot drink moderately, and should not! drin k at all.
Last year, the CDC ranked alcohol as the third-leading cause of
preventable death in the country. Alcohol-related death and disability
results from organ damage, brain damage and hemorrhagic stroke as well
as injuries from accidents and violence. The estimated annual cost of
alcohol abuse, including lost productivity, is $185 billion.

On the other hand, if current drinkers all suddenly quit, losing the
protective benefits of alcohol, about 80,000 excess deaths would
occur, most of them among people older than 45, according to a 1997
study by Pearson in the journal Circulation. That's when people begin
to hit the heart disease years.

"I'm personally of two minds," says Dr. Kenneth Mukamal of Beth Israel
Deaconess Medical Center in Boston, an author of the paper on alcohol
and heart failure. "I'm a practicing primary-care doc. On the one
hand, the observational evidence is quite strong and consistent that !
p eople who drink moderately and regularly have at least a lower risk
of heart attack than people who don't drink at all."

But telling an adult in the habit of a drink or two after work, when
there's no plan to drive afterward, to continue the harmless habit is
one thing. Telling a 21-year-old to start drinking daily is another.

He simply sees too many drinking disasters to risk a blanket
recommendation.

Pearson adds: "Some of those people end up wrapping their cars around
trees or end up drinking 20 beers a day." Although no one knows if a
hint at a recommendation for daily, moderate drinking would send
increasing numbers of people on the road to alcoholism or alcohol
abuse, doctors and public health experts have erred on the side of
caution. It's possible, some say, that adults who have always been
teetotalers would start drinking and find out they like it a bit too
much. Others might use the recommendation as! an e xcuse to drink every
day, kidding themselves about how much they are actually drinking.

Now, however, the benefits of alcohol are proving increasingly hard to
ignore. A few researchers think that the evidence showing the benefits
of moderate drinking is strong enough to start advocating moderate,
regular drinking for mid-life adults who are responsible drinkers.

Lewis Perdue, author of "The French Paradox and Beyond," a book about
why people from France have lower rates of cardiovascular disease,
looked at NIAAA's numbers on the 20% to 40% reduction in rates of
heart disease among moderate drinkers and did the math. "Proper
knowledge and application of the scientific facts might save more than
200,000 people every year from dying of heart attacks," he wrote.

Dr. Curtis Ellison, director of the Institute on Lifestyle and Health
at Boston University School of Medicine, began examining links between
moderate drin! king and a protective cardiovascular effect in 1991. He
agrees that it's time to talk about the findings more openly.

"Nobody is saying that everyone should drink," Ellison says. "But
don't withhold the evidence. Informed people make better choices.
There is an intelligent way to drink ╉ small amounts every day. People
aren't stupid. They know when they're drinking inappropriately."

For most, the difference lies in when and how they drink. Daily, in
moderation, in middle age seems to be the ticket.

*

An effect on cholesterol

Alcohol, it's thought, might keep clots from forming, arteries from
constricting and platelets from becoming sticky.

The biggest proven benefit of moderate drinking is alcohol's effect on
cholesterol. Any alcoholic beverage slightly lowers LDL, the bad
cholesterol. More important, it significantly raises HDL, the good
cholesterol that protects against cardiovascular disease. I! n an
evaluation of data from the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute
Family Heart Study, Ellison found that moderate drinking raised
protective HDL in middle-aged adults three to four times more than did
exercise.

Some studies suggest that wine is better than other drinks at raising
HDL because of its antioxidant properties. Grape juice also has those
properties and has been shown to raise HDL, though someone would have
to drink a quart of juice to get the same protection as from one
serving of alcohol. But most researchers who have studied alcohol and
heart disease believe the main benefits come from alcohol itself, in
any form. "Red wine is not the only means by which you can get some of
these antioxidants," Pearson says. "I think it's mostly the alcohol."

Moderation and regularity of drinking seem to be key. "The vehicle
doesn't seem to particularly matter," Mukamal says. "What matters is
what beverage peopl! e con sume regularly. In France it's wine; in
Germany, beer; in Japan, sake."

Moderate drinkers may get a boost beyond raising HDL. Their blood is
less likely to form clots than the blood of abstainers or heavy
drinkers, and their bodies are better able to dissolve clots that
appear. Clotting is, in part, a response to chemicals released from
artery walls. In lab studies, exposure to alcohol diminishes the
production of substances that promote clotting, and stimulates
production of other substances that inhibit clotting.

The anti-clotting effect may be what argues most strongly for daily,
sensible imbibing because after a day or so, the effect goes away.
"Much of the protection for coronary heart disease seen in France is
due to the fact that most French adults tend to consume some alcohol
with their evening meal every day," Ellison says. "Their clotting
mechanisms remain in a favorable state all the time. The most rece! nt data show that daily drinking is the healthiest."

The benefit to moderate drinking comes with age. The new study on
heart failure, for example, was aimed at elderly people because risk
of the condition is high at their age. Fluid backs up in the lungs
because the heart isn't able to pump blood efficiently. Ankles swell
and breathing becomes difficult.

Typically, such patients have been told to abstain from alcohol,
largely because scientists knew that excessive drinking leads to the
development of a heart that is oversized, flabby and not able to
function properly ╉ the hallmarks of heart failure. If a lot of
alcohol was very bad, the thinking went, a little would be a little
bit bad.

But when Mukamal put it to the test by analyzing records of 5,595
Medicare recipients, he found that those who drank moderately, no more
than 13 drinks a week, had a lower risk of heart failure.

It's not clear why, bu! t a p otential explanation might be that alcohol
directly lowers the pressure of blood in the lungs and prevents them
from filling with fluid. For people on the verge of heart failure, the
effect might be enough to prevent its onset, Mukamal says. The
evidence isn't strong enough to recommend a daily drink, he says,
though physicians probably should stop automatically recommending
abstention from alcohol for people with heart failure.

It's uncertain whether drinking with food helps the heart, but
combining alcohol and food slows down the former's entry into the
bloodstream, making it less likely a person will feel drunk.

But moderate drinking is not risk free. That anti-clotting effect
could, in some, increase the risk of hemorrhagic stroke, or bleeding
in the brain. And some studies show a relationship between moderate
drinking and an increased risk of breast cancer, though results from
the Nurse's Health Study, a long! -runn ing study based at Harvard
Medical School of more than 84,000 nurses, indicate that women who had
adequate folate in their diet had no increased risk of breast cancer
from moderate drinking.

Most concerning is that when a person crosses the line from moderate
drinking to heavy drinking, the list of bad effects on the
cardiovascular system is pretty much all-inclusive: increased risk of
cardiomyopathy, high blood pressure, stroke and heart rhythm
irregularities.

Most studies on heart disease and alcohol are long-term observational
studies, including the Nurse's Health Study and the Framingham Heart
Study. Or they are laboratory studies of animals. A few human trials,
lasting no more than six to eight weeks, have found favorable effects
on blood cholesterol levels among moderate drinkers compared with
abstainers.

But the gold standard of research, a randomized clinical trial
comparing moderate drinkers w! ith a bstainers over a long period, is
probably not possible.

"You'd have to find people who are willing to drink but also willing
to be randomized not to drink," says Mukamal. They'd have to hold that
pattern for perhaps decades. Excluding alcoholics, problem drinkers or
people who might develop those problems would also be difficult or
impossible in a clinical trial. So the ultimate scientific proof of
the benefits of alcohol is elusive.

*

Cultural messages

The observational studies are building, but the public health
conundrum remains. The cultural messages in America, Pearson says, are
polarized and contradictory. "It's either 'Eat, drink and be merry,'
or 'Devil rum,' " he says. Good health, for most people, lies
somewhere in between.

"With alcohol, we're still suffering a hangover from our
fundamentalist Protestant roots," Perdue says. "And we've got this
nanny culture. Experts feel they kn! ow be st and have the right to tell
people what to do. We've got the idea that people don't know how to
deal with a mixed message."

It's not like that everywhere. A proposed study in Scotland, for
example, was going to look at heart attack survivors, giving half the
group a glass of wine daily, the other half a red-colored placebo.

"The doctors in Scotland said it was unethical to withhold red wine
from heart attack survivors," Ellison says. And in the United Kingdom,
physicians recommend, unless people do not drink for personal health
reasons including a history of alcoholism, that middle-aged and older
men and postmenopausal women consider a drink or two a day for health.

Our own American Heart Assn. more guardedly recommends: "If you drink
alcohol, do so in moderation."

*

(INFOBOX BELOW)

Knowing the limit

Moderate drinking is defined as one drink a day for women, two for
men. Here's wh! at th at looks like in a glass:

Wine: 5 ounces

Beer: 12 ounces
Spirits: 1.5 ounces
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Old 07-31-2006, 01:41 PM   #2
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My Dr. encourages me to have a glass of wine or a beer at night...it helps me sleep without medication. I have never heard it is bad for mets....I do refrain on the days of my Herceptin as I drink so much water...even when I was on Xeloda, she told me I could have a drink if I wanted.
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Old 07-31-2006, 02:06 PM   #3
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As usual I have no definative answers.

Alcohol is reported as changing the production of fatty acids. Lowering of production of long chain omega sixes could be good, but reducing threes could be bad.

Lack of long chain fatty acids is reported as one of the responsible factors for aloholism.

This is a trial that outlines some potential issues.

In strict moderation good or bad - I would guess it depends on your individual metabolism of alcohol - which for those undergoing treatment I suppose is further complicated by the potential impacts of treatments.

As to the importance on omega three and six and the need to maintain a balance within reasonable parameters please see posts on omega three and six.

The body is hugely complex. I do not know what impact alcohol intake level has in terms of oxidative stress which would be another factor .

One to discuss with your medical advisor.

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1: Alcohol. 2004 Aug;34(1):27-33.Click here to read Links
Perspectives on alcohol consumption: liver polyunsaturated fatty acids and essential fatty acid metabolism.

* Pawlosky RJ,
* Salem N Jr.

Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institutes of Health, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, 5625 Fishers Lane, Room 3C-07, Rockville, MD 20852, USA.

In this article, subjects diagnosed with alcoholic liver disease are shown to have lower concentrations of several polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs), including 18:2n6, 18:3n6, 20:3n6, 18:3n3, 22:5n3, and 22:6n3, but not 20:4n6 and 22:4n6, nor 22:5n6, in the total lipid extracts of their livers compared with findings for specimens obtained from patients diagnosed with primary biliary cirrhosis and from control subjects. Findings of studies in animals have demonstrated that prolonged alcohol consumption reduces liver polyunsaturate content. However, the effect of ethanol on the elongation/desaturation of essential fatty acids is complex, as in vitro study results indicate that the direction of the effect of alcohol may be related to the dose of alcohol. Findings of studies in hepatocyte cell culture indicate that ethanol increased delta-5 and delta-6 desaturase activities throughout a broad concentration range. In contrast, lower liver desaturase activity has been reported in animals consuming high concentrations of alcohol (36%-40% energy) over a period of several months. Findings from in vivo isotope tracers studies in nonhuman primates and felines indicate that prolonged periods of moderate (mean consumption 2.6 g kg(-1) d(-1) and 1.2 g kg(-1) d(-1), respectively) alcohol consumption had no effect on the uptake of either linoleic (18:2n6) or alpha-linolenic (18:3n3) acids into the plasma and lead to an increased incorporation of these deuterated precursors into 20:4n6 and 22:6n3. Thus, this likely reflects a stimulated, rather than an inhibited, production of long-chain PUFAs. In numerous studies in various species, investigators have documented that alcohol consumption can increase the level of lipid peroxidation in tissues, and sustained periods of ethanol-induced peroxidation can deplete tissues of PUFAs. A hypothesis to rationalize the long-term effects of alcohol consumption on liver PUFA concentration that takes into consideration the effect of ethanol on essential fatty acid metabolism is presented.

PMID: 15670662 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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Old 07-31-2006, 09:25 PM   #4
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There have been numerous studies that have shown that alcohol accelerates the division of cancer cells, that said, those have been in vitro or with rats. Maybe there is probably more benefit to "taking the edge off" than damage from any interaction.......whatever improves your quality of life.

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Old 08-01-2006, 06:52 AM   #5
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What is worse, alcohol or meds to relax. Of course meditation, yoga, laughter, etc. might be better. I struggle with which one to use. I would like to go on the all laughter meds (read of someone who feels he beat cancer by laughing) but sometimes it helps to combine therapies, such as alcohol and laughter. Now that would be a clinical trial I would like to join! But I don't think I would like to be randomized into the no laughter, no alcohol group! LOL
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From everything I have read, the way that alcohol is metabolized isn't real good for you, breast cancer or not. Sugar isn't much different. (There is a book called Intuitive Healing by Ruth Moran RN that describes this--if you can get past some of the author's "head trash," there is some good info in it.) I had an alternative medicine internist tell me that any alcholo intake is a risk factor for BC, but once you have had BC, she doesn't recommend any alcohol intake at all. While on Herceptin, my tolerance for alcohol has been severely diminished, so I limit myself to a beer every so often. I remember while I was on Herceptin/Taxol/carbo, the drink that agreed with me most was a Cosmopolitan--wine was a disaster. What I wouldn't give for some legal marijuana :-)
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It is available but in pill form: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/d...di/202385.htmlAl
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My experience

I enjoy the taste of good beer and wine, but I got hangovers easily from a small amount. I found it hard to go out socially and refuse to have at least one drink, though. Now I have a good excuse -- BC. I probably will avoid all liquor from now on. I use Lexapro and at night I take .25 mg Xanax to help me sleep. It occurs to me .25 Xanax is like taking a glass of wine, but without the hangover I get from one glass. If I didn't have poor tolerance for booze, I would probably drink a glass of wine at night before bedtime and skip the xanax. As for Lexapro, I have lived my life with underlying stress and the Lexapro has eased it. I took the smallest dose - 10 mg. and found myself with extreme sugar cravings. After a distressing day of eating ice cream, cookies, chocolate and avoiding real food, I decided to cut back to .5 mg. I have diabetes 1 and 2 in my family, and am concerned about sugar cravings. But I don't want to give up the relief Lexapro gives me.
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I do not have metastatic disease and during chemo treatment, I did not drink alcohol at all because I felt my liver was under enough with chemo. Now, however, although still on Herceptin, I do imbibe - usually a couple of glasses of wine on the weekend. If we go out, I will have a Cosmo or martini and then wine. I usually do not drink during the week at all (unless we are on vacation) because I workout or walk or jog in the evening and get too tired if I have a drink (then won't do it).


There is a link between alcohol and bc but, I don't think its bad to have a couple of pops on the weekend or even a drink every night. We still have to live and if you are (for the most part) eating right and exercising, what's the harm.

Just my 2 cents while I am on vacation (ummm.... oh bartender!!). (We are out and about college shopping for daughter #2 this week. Our "real" vacation is to St. Kitts in February).


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Well, it is official. Celebrating my first day when I didn't have to take Herceptin, was a harder day than if I had taken the Herceptin. Champange hangovers seem to have a lot more side effects than Herceptin. LOL
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My huband is a classically trained chef and has an extenxive wine cellar. My father was an alcoholic and after my parents divorce it just was not in the house. My mother was a tea totler (sp?) her whole life. Guess what she still got it. I have never been a drinker per se but since my husband I have had a glass now and then maybe twice a month at the most. I think the link between alcohol and BC is reserved for those who drink a lot and this does not apply to me or my mother. Clearly I got it anyway and so did she regardless of our drinking habits. My point....enjoy life in moderation. I don't think it makes a difference. Everything is harmful if overdone. RB's posts on fats show us that. So if a glass of wine is what you enjoy now and then...go for it. I am not letting him have that closet to himself! Legally it's half mine.
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Folic Acid

In case anyone missed this, I thought the info belonged on this thread.
Well, I can't seem to copy and paste the info or link to this page, but it is from Mayo Clinic and states that for women who drink, the risk of breast cancer is lowered if they take at least 400 mg of folic acid. Somewhere I also read that alcohol is mainly associalted with ER/PR + breast cancer.
You can try this below to read the study. (for some reason when I tried to edit the post it would not do so and the link is wrong. If you hit this link and get that it was incorrect, change the address to 2001 if it said 2002 and that should do it, I hope.
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What's life without a little whine?

Interesting thread.
Input from my oncologists has been as follows:
Alcohol should be avoided.
It's a lifestyle issue - if you enjoy a glass of wine, it is ok to have one. Occasionally. Just don't have 3.
Don't drink while on chemo - your liver is working hard enough already. But have a drink on your "off" week if you want.

and the best one, from an oncology nurse: if you have a history of drinking (in moderation) your liver is BETTER able to metabolize the chemo drugs so that's why you have less severe side effects!
That last one sounds pretty bizarre, but I can say from my experience I sailed through T/C/H while watching a teetotalling friend become completely unable to function while on the same chemo....maybe that's just rationalization...

Bottom line for me is, there is so much to stress about with mets, I try to be gentle with myself and allow myself to ENJOY the occasional glass of wine and dark chocolate. Then if/when it recurs and I need to get more chemo, I'll have to seriously (?) consider some dose-dense cocktails so as to fortify my liver...oops just kidding...
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8/12 Whoops...progression...trying for Perjeta/Herceptin (plus some more nasty chemo!)
9/12 Start Perjeta/Herceptin, chemo on hold due to infection/wound in leg, added on cycle 2 &3
11/12 Poops! progression in liver, Stop Perjeta/Taxo/Herc
11/12 Navelbine/Herce[ptin - try for a 3 cycles, no go.
2/13 Gemzar/Carbo/Herceptin - no go.
3/13 TACE procedure
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Thanks Janet - I had to change the date from 2002 to 2001 in the URL.

Interesting, as I am one who has eaten whole grain breads and cereals for decades (even used to make my own bread). We DO have wine with dinner virtually every night, but I have only a glass or 2 at most.

This article did not mention the hormone positive or neg connection, but that seems familiar to me as well. That piece of it interests me as I am hormone neg/neg.
So how do we get this information out to younger women who are starting to drink and need extra folate??
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Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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