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Old 12-15-2009, 10:02 PM   #1
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More on CT scans we have been hearing about.

I know I'm always worried about too much radiation. Especially since my bc dx. I hate to think about all the CT scans I've had along with who knows how many x-rays on top of all that. This article I posted a link to does mention they are working on developing a low-dose CT scanner. They sure can't do that soon enough for me.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34420356/ns/health-cancer/

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9-28-09 Loading dose of Herceptin & started Zometa
9-29-09 Power Port Placement
10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
7-7-10 Recurrence to RT axilla again. Back to UCLA for options.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:35 AM   #2
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Is there evidence that a CT saves lives?

The Archives of Internal Medicine reported on two studies estimating that the radiation exposure from the 72 million CT scans ordered in 2007 alone will result in 15,000 additional cancer deaths twenty to thirty years down the road.

An editorial in the Archives pointed out that there is an eight-fold difference in CT scan use around the country with no better outcomes where more scans are done.

Is there evidence that a CT saves lives? No. No diagnostic/laboratory test ever has. This is not what it does.

Diagnostic/laboratory tests are judged by accuracy and reproducibility and never by their effect upon treatment outcomes. Most tests used today have comparable "sensitivities" and "specificities."

CT scans were not approved because they saved lives in a controlled clinical trial that compared the outcome of patients who received care with or without the benefit of a CT scan. They were approved because their performance characteristics (sensitivity/specificity) are reproducible, favorable and provide information to treating physicians.

In cancer medicine, no test in oncology has ever been shown in prospective randomized clinical trials to improve patient outcomes. The existing standard has always been the "accuracy" of the test. This is true for every single test used in cancer medicine, from estrogen receptors to panels of immunohistochemical stains (IHC) to diagnosing and classifying tumor to Her2/neu and CA-125 to cell culture assays to MRI's, CT Scans, Pet Scans and so on.

Even when you get to the new genetic/molecular tests, the validation standard that private insurance companies is accepting is "accuracy" and not "efficacy." The essential "proof" is that all they have to do for these tests is that the test has a useful degree of "accuracy," not that the use of the diagnostic test improves clinical outcomes.

A cardiac CT provides anatomic information regarding the presence or absence of blockages in coronary arteries. Such findings alone do not determine whether or not a patient requires an invasive procedure such as an angiogram or angioplasty/stent. Such decisions should be based on physiologic indicators such as presence of angina or, more importantly, an abnormal stress test. A cardiac CT by itself will never be proven to save lives. However, it is yet another tool in the arsenal that must be used properly.

In cancer medicine, the CT is used to follow the size of the patient's tumor while the patient is receiving repeated courses of chemotherapy to determine whether or not the treatment is working and whether or not different drugs should be given, instead. This is an entirely unproven benefit, and were appropriate studies ever to be performed, there wouldn't be any measurable benefit at all, in terms of improving patient response to chemotherapy or patient survival with chemotherapy.

CT Scans and Cancer Risk: Been There, Done That

http://www.cancer.org/aspx/blog/Comments.aspx?id=336

Projected Cancer Risks From Computed Tomographic Scans Performed in the United States in 2007

These detailed estimates highlight several areas of CT scan use that make large contributions to the total cancer risk, including several scan types and age groups with a high frequency of use or scans involving relatively high doses, in which risk-reduction efforts may be warranted.

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...ll/169/22/2071
Radiation Dose Associated With Common Computed Tomography Examinations and the Associated Lifetime Attributable Risk of Cancer

Radiation doses from commonly performed diagnostic CT examinations are higher and more variable than generally quoted, highlighting the need for greater standardization across institutions.

http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...9/22/2078?home
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Old 01-05-2010, 10:41 AM   #3
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Re: More on CT scans we have been hearing about.

Chelee
Funny reading your post...I had my neck, chest, abdomen and pelvis CT today, and for the first time, they put a shield over my chest.....something new to reduce radiation...now let he scanxiety begin, so I know how the Tykerb/Herceptin is working.
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Old 01-05-2010, 11:25 AM   #4
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Re: More on CT scans we have been hearing about.

I'm one of those that always worry, am I actually going to cancer from being exposed to much radiation....low dose radiation exposure is definitely music to my years.
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Old 01-05-2010, 01:39 PM   #5
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Re: More on CT scans we have been hearing about.

This article has something of interest at the END. They mention how the radiation doses for different body areas of CT scans vary, as well definitions which tell how the CT, MRI and X-ray are different.

Sheila, I clearly recall how necessary a CT scan was in monitoring my treatment success. When we have progression, having a visual of tumor shrinkage or enlargement is worth the proverbial "thousand words." Just show me, was all I wanted to know.
Sending thoughts hoping for the best.

At that time I was MUCH more worried about the cancer activity than what the CT may be doing to me.
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Old 01-05-2010, 09:20 PM   #6
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Re: More on CT scans we have been hearing about.

Shelia, Wow, that's a first I've heard of them using a shield for the chest. With so much news on this radiation issue lately maybe they really working on ways to reduce exposure. It's about time.

Sure hope they don't make you wait to long for your scan results. I'm sending lots of positive thoughts your way for fantastic results. I know Dr. Slamon is all for the Tykerb/Herceptin combo due to all the great results from it. I hope it's worked its magic & all traces of cancer have totally disappeared as it should be.

I have a PET/CT coming up on 1-27-01 to see if this Navelbine is working. So I doubt I will be getting any sheilds...too many places they need to check out on me. Plus it would ruin the PET portion of my scan I would think.

lizm100, I've had the same fear too about radiation causing cancer. To this day I really don't know if my cancer wasn't caused from all the x-rays I had from a child up until my teens for my congenital scoliosis. Even the Komen site says it's possible. I had no cancer in my family...so makes me wonder. I had so many x-rays I can't count them.

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Rt. MRM on 1-3-06 -- No Rads due to compromised lungs.
Chemo started 2-7-06 -- TCH - - Finished 6-12-06
Finished yr of wkly herceptin 3-19-07
3-15-07 Lt side prophylactic simple mastectomy. -- Ooph 4-05-07
9-21-09 PET/CT "Recurrence" to Rt. axllia, Rt. femur, ilium. Possible Sacrum & liver? Now stage IV.
9-28-09 Loading dose of Herceptin & started Zometa
9-29-09 Power Port Placement
10-24-09 Mass 6.4 x 4.7 cm on Rt. femur head.
11-19-09 RT. Femur surgery - Rod placed
12-7-09 Navelbine added to Herceptin/Zometa.
3-23-10 Ten days of rads to RT femur. Completed.
4-05-10 Quit Navelbine--Herceptin/Zometa alone.
5-4-10 Appt. with Dr. Slamon to see what is next? Waiting on FISH results from femur biopsy.
Results to FISH was unsuccessful--this happens less then 2% of the time.
7-7-10 Recurrence to RT axilla again. Back to UCLA for options.
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