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Old 07-07-2012, 04:32 PM   #1
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Thumbs up MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it was

previously set out to be. There are Durable complete responses of Stage IV patients and this article set out to examine them. Shows how important it is to include herceptin in first line treatment of Stage IV and how important it is to continue it-- feel free to show this to governments/insurance companies who don't want to pay for herceptin!

From Annals of Oncology Ann Oncol. 2012 Jul 5. [Epub ahead of print]


Durable complete response following chemotherapy and trastuzumab for metastatic HER2-positive breast cancer
G. Gullo1,*, M. Zuradelli2, F. Sclafani1, A. Santoro2 and J. Crown1
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1Department of Oncology, St Vincent's University Hospital, Dublin, Ireland;
2Oncology and Haematology Unit, Humanitas Cancer Center, Rozzano, Italy
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Individual cases of prolonged complete response (CR) of HER2-positive metastatic breast cancer (MBC) have been reported following treatment with trastuzumab/chemotherapy, but the frequency of durable remission is unknown [1, 2].

We carried out a retrospective study of long-term outcome of all patients with HER2-positive MBC treated in our institutions with chemotherapy and trastuzumab before March 2007. All patients had histology-proven, HER2-positive (3+ on immunohistochemistry and/or HER2/neu gene amplification on FISH) breast cancer. None had received adjuvant trastuzumab.

Eighty-four patients were treated from May 2000 to March 2007 (Table 1). Thirteen (15%) achieved CR as defined according to RECIST 1.0 criteria [3]. As part of different institutional practices, patients in Dublin continued on trastuzumab until progression or at least for five years. In Milan trastuzumab was generally stopped in CR patients within two years of achieving remission. As of March 17, 2012, (median follow up 7 years, range 2.5–11.8 years), six of these patients remain alive and continuously cancer free at 142, 139, 122, 101, 84, and 84 months. Two additional patients are alive and continuously free of metastatic cancer at 107 and 105 months, having received curative locoregional therapy for new primary breast cancers. Five patients who achieved CR have developed relapsed MBC, at 44, 37, 35, 30, and 15 months, two while receiving maintenance trastuzumab (at 44 and 37 months, respectively). Three others had discontinued trastuzumab (21, 8, and 4 months after cessation).

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Table 1.
Characteristics of patients

All of the eight DCR patients received trastuzumab together with their first chemotherapy for metastatic disease. Five (63%) DCR patients had estrogen receptor (ER) negative disease, and five had metastases limited to liver. All but one received a taxane-containing regimen with trastuzumab (docetaxel and carboplatin-4 and single agent taxane-3).

The median duration of trastuzumab for CR patients in the two institutions was 67 months (range: 49 to 107+) in Dublin and 14 months (range 5–26) in Milan. Interestingly, although the frequency of CR was very similar in the two institutions (Milan 16% and Dublin 15%), the proportion of patients with DCR was higher in Dublin than Milan (11% versus 6%, respectively), prompting speculation that the duration of trastuzumab therapy might be important.

This is the first reported series of long-term follow-up of patients with HER2-positive MBC who achieved CR following chemotherapy and trastuzumab. Our data suggest that a meaningful minority of patients achieve very prolonged complete remissions. Although the small numbers and the retrospective nature of the study preclude definitive statistics, the data also suggest that the impact of trastuzumab might be greater in patients with ER-negative disease (14% DCR—an observation consistent with trials conducted in earlier stage disease [4, 5]) and possibly in those with metastases confined to the liver. Furthermore, the complete absence of DCR among patients who received trastuzumab with their second or subsequent chemotherapy for metastatic disease suggests that this agent should be a component of initial treatment. For patients with ER-negative disease who received trastuzumab with first line chemotherapy, the DCR rate is 16%.

At present we are conducting a comprehensive molecular and cytogenetic study of these patients' tumor samples to identify a subset of patients with HER2-positive MBC who are more likely to achieve DCR following chemotherapy plus trastuzumab.

We hypothesize that overtly HER2-positive MBC may be a potentially curable disease.



The authors declare no conflicts of interest.

© The Author 2012. Published by Oxford University Press on behalf of the European Society for Medical Oncology. All rights reserved. For permissions, please email: journals.permissions@oup.com.
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↵ Maciá Escalante S, Rodr*guez Lescure Á, Pons Sanz V, et al. A patient with breast cancer with hepatic metastases and a complete response to herceptin as monotherapy. Clin Transl Oncol 2006;8:761-763.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:44 PM   #2
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

wow this is great to read so many positive things happening lately it seems!!

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Old 07-07-2012, 08:54 PM   #3
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Thanks so much Lani for this report - good news! I reckon for those of you here who received Herceptin as adjuvant therapy (not for stage IV disease), the results of studies will be very promising.
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June 2011 3cm x 4cm liver tumour. Started Abraxane and continue with Herceptin.
November 2011. Finished with Abraxane, continue with just Herceptin. Liver tumour now reduced to 15mm x 12mm. Lung tumour now 10mm x 0.5mm
February 2012. Scans show everything stable, and brain scan clear.
July 2012. PET/CT scans show I'm in remission - no active cancer!
]Dec CT brain cllear, lungs stable, liver tumour has increased to 20mm. PET scans showed active liver met and active lung thinglet, and possible bone met.
Jan 2013 recommence Abraxane, continue with Herceptin.
June 2013 finish Cycle 6 Abraxane, continue with Herceptin. 30% reduction in liver tumour, everything stable.
December 2013. CA15-3 on rise.
February 2014. PET and CT scans show single liver tumour has increased to 35mm. No other activity.
March 2014. Planned for SBRT for liver met, but couldn't have treatment as tumour too close to bowel. Continue Herceptin.
April 2014. Surgeon advises that I am a good candidate for liver resection, so will have operation early May (after camping holiday). Tumour now 44mm x 29mm.
May 7, 2014. Two liver tumours surgically removed. Third of liver removed, and gall bladder. Am I NED?May 2014. Pathology of tumour shows it's now ER+ (95% staining).
June 2014. CA15-3 has decreased to 18 from a pre-surgery reading of 59!
June 2014. Started Femara, continue with Herceptin.
July 2014. Stop Femara due to severe Osteoporosis. Commence Tamoxifen, continue Herceptin. Waiting to hear if I can have Aclasta infusion.
August 2014. CA15-3 has decreased further to 12 - YAY!
October 2014. Aclasta infusion for Osteoporosis. November 2014, CA15-3 decreased to 11. Scans of liver all clear, something new showing up on lung, but just watching at the moment.
November 2015. Started SBRT on solitary lung met.
November 2015. Bone density scan showed very good improvement so back on Femara - yay!
December 2016. 6 treatments of SBRT radiation on lung. Seems to have had some effect.
June 2016. CA15-3 still stable and low at 9.
June 2016. Started subcutaneous Herceptin replacing infusion.
Jan 2017. LVEF dropped to 46%. Stopped Herceptin.
Feb 2017. Started ACE Inhibitor and BETA Blocker. Still off Herceptin.
Aug 2017. Two new mets - Portacaval lymph node and mediastinal lymph node.
Aug 2017. Blood tests show extremely elevated liver enzyme levels. Many tests to investigate.
Sept 2017. Portacaval lymph node blocking liver bile duct causing liver enzyme and Bilirubin problems.
Oct 2017. 8cm stent inserted into liver bile duct. Procedure caused pancreatitis, and hospitalised for 3 days. Liver enzymes improving rapidly.
Nov 2017. Commenced 4 weeks of radiation on Portacaval lymph node. 5 week break before chemo.
Jan 2018. CT scan. 11 new small liver mets, and new superclavical lymph node med.
Jan 2018. Start Kadcyla. CA15-3 426.
Apr 2018. First scans since starting Kadcyla. All tumours reducing. CA15-3 dropped to 30 from 426.
Dec 2019. Still on Kadcyla, but two small brain mets have been treated in the past month with SRS. CA15-3 stable for 12 months at 11.
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Old 07-07-2012, 10:07 PM   #4
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

This article mentions Stage IV but these don't seem to be Stage IV statistics. "The median duration of trastuzumab for CR patients in the two institutions was 67 months (range: 49 to 107+) in Dublin...". Am I missing something? MJ got about 12 months of effectiveness from Herceptin before recurrence.
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08/10 ~ Began 12 weeks of Taxetere/Carboplatin/Herceptin tx
[10/10 ~ Scans show liver lesions are gone. NED!
11/10 ~ Ended chemo. Herceptin-only tx
01/11 ~ Mastectomy
03/11 ~ Radiation
07/11 ~ Reconstructive surgery
10/11 ~ PET/CT shows NED :)
01/12 ~ Malignant tumors found in uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes and lymph nodes. Dx as endometrial cancer. Stage III2c
02/12 ~Hysterectomy(all tumors removed). Back to NED.
02/12 ~ Final Herceptin treatment.
03/12 ~ Began Cisplatin/Adriamycin tx for endometrial cancer.
03/12 ~ Tumors dx her2 metastisis, not entdometrial cancer. Back to BC tx.
03/12 ~ CT scan shows NED. :)
04/12/~ Began Tykerb/Xeloda.
06/12 ~ Ended Xeloda. Continuing Tykerb. Still NED.
09/12 ~ PET/CT scans show NED. : )
04/13 ~ Rash on original breast biopsied as cancer.
05/13 ~ Surgery to remove skin and tissue around rash. Continue Tykerb.
06/13 ~ PET/CT scans show NED : )
11/13 ~ Jaundice eyes and skin. CT scan show mets to liver as well as peritoneal carcinomatosis with malignant ascites. Began Abraxane/Herceptin tx.
02/14 ~ CT scan shows NED. :)

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Old 07-08-2012, 03:10 AM   #5
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Thanks Lani
Really interesting research. The five year of herceptin keeps cropping up. I wonder if other chemos apart from taxotere would have the same lasting effect? I also wonder if the disease burden was a factor? Seems like the further research they are planning is very much needed
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:00 AM   #6
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Yes, MJs husband, you are missing something. These are not Stage IV statistics for all Stage Ivs treated everywhere, but just for Stage IVs treated in their two groups of patients ie, Dublin and Milan.

And even within those two groups the stats differ as the "institutional policy" was such that Stage IV patients in Dublin continued on trastuzumab until progression or at least for five years whereas in Milan, trastuzumab was generally stopped in CR patients within two years of achieving remission.

If you reread the abstract with that in mind, it makes more sense and is another piece of evidence that continuing herceptin beyond progression(and just adding things) is the way to go.
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:35 AM   #7
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Great news, very exciting!
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:51 AM   #8
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Thanks Lani. I always struggle to understand these articles. I really need a "conclusions" paragraph where they sum it all up and spoon feed it to me. I appreciate your reply. It makes sense to me now.
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08/10 ~ Began 12 weeks of Taxetere/Carboplatin/Herceptin tx
[10/10 ~ Scans show liver lesions are gone. NED!
11/10 ~ Ended chemo. Herceptin-only tx
01/11 ~ Mastectomy
03/11 ~ Radiation
07/11 ~ Reconstructive surgery
10/11 ~ PET/CT shows NED :)
01/12 ~ Malignant tumors found in uterus, cervix, fallopian tubes and lymph nodes. Dx as endometrial cancer. Stage III2c
02/12 ~Hysterectomy(all tumors removed). Back to NED.
02/12 ~ Final Herceptin treatment.
03/12 ~ Began Cisplatin/Adriamycin tx for endometrial cancer.
03/12 ~ Tumors dx her2 metastisis, not entdometrial cancer. Back to BC tx.
03/12 ~ CT scan shows NED. :)
04/12/~ Began Tykerb/Xeloda.
06/12 ~ Ended Xeloda. Continuing Tykerb. Still NED.
09/12 ~ PET/CT scans show NED. : )
04/13 ~ Rash on original breast biopsied as cancer.
05/13 ~ Surgery to remove skin and tissue around rash. Continue Tykerb.
06/13 ~ PET/CT scans show NED : )
11/13 ~ Jaundice eyes and skin. CT scan show mets to liver as well as peritoneal carcinomatosis with malignant ascites. Began Abraxane/Herceptin tx.
02/14 ~ CT scan shows NED. :)

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Old 07-08-2012, 07:39 PM   #9
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Hi Lani,

Thanks very much for posting this. Would it be possible to post the full article, or at least the Table 1? If not, could you please send me a PM with the article. I am very interested in this study. I saw the abstract from ASCO, and this article has some more details. I tried to access the compete article, but it didn't seem to be available without paying a fee.

Thanks again!

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Old 07-10-2012, 03:05 PM   #10
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Thanks, Lani! That's certainly a higher number than the 2 to 5% rate of DCR that usually gets tossed around.
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5/27/11 Begin weekly Taxol & Herceptin for 3 months (standard of care at the time of my DX)
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8/29/11 CT scan shows no new lesions & old lesions shrinking
9/27/11 Finish Abraxane. Start Herceptin every 3 weeks. Begin taking Arimidex
10/17/11--Brain MRI--No Brain mets
12/5/11 PET scan--Almost NED
5/15/12 PET scan shows progression-breast/chest/spine (one vertebra)
5/22/12 Stop taking Arimidex; stay on Herceptin
6/11/12 Started Tykerb and Herceptin on clinical trial (w/no chemo)
9/24/12 CT scan--No new mets. Everything stable.
3/11/13 CT Scan--two small new possible mets and odd looking area in left lung getting larger.
4/2/13--Biopsy of suspicious area in lower left lung. Mets to lung confirmed.
4/30/13 Begin Kadcyla/TDM-1
8/16/13 PET scan "mixed," with some areas of increased uptake, but also some definite improvement, so I'll stay on TDM-1/Kadcyla.
11/11/13 Finally get hormone receptor results from lung biopsy of 4/2/13. My cancer is no longer ER positive.
11/13/13 PET scan mixed results again. We're calling it "stable." Problems breathing on exertion.
2/18/14 PET scan shows a new lesion and newly active lymph node in chest, other progression. Bye bye TDM-1.
2/28/14 Begin Herceptin/Perjeta every 3 weeks.
6/8/14 PET "mixed," with no new lesions, and everything but lower lungs improving. My breathing is better.
8/18/14 PET "mixed" again. Upper lungs & one spine met stable, lower lungs less FDG avid, original tumor more avid, one lymph node in mediastinum more avid.
9/1/14 Begin taking Xeloda one week on, one week off. Will also stay on Herceptin and Perjeta every three weeks.
12/11/14 PET Scan--no new lesions, and everything looks better than it did.
3/20/15 PET Scan--no new lesions, but lower lung lesions larger and a bit more avid.
4/13/15 Increasing Xeloda dose to 10 days on, one week off.
7/1/15 Scan "mixed" again, but suggests continuing progression. Stop Xeloda. Substitute Abraxane every 3 weeks starting 7/13.
10/28/15 PET scan shows dramatic improvement everywhere. All lesions except lower lungs have resolved; lower lungs noticeably improved.
12/18/15 Last Abraxane. Continue on Herceptin and Perjeta alone beginning 1/8/16.
1/27/16 PET scan shows cancer is stable.
5/11/16 PET scan shows uptake in some areas that were resolved on the last two scans.
6/3/16 Begin Kadcyla and Tykerb combination
6/5 - 6/23 Horrible diarrhea from K&T together. Got pneumonia.
7/15/16 Begin Kadcyla only every 3 weeks.
9/6/16 Begin radiation therapy on right lung lesion that caused the pneumonia.
10/3/16 Last of 12 radiation treatments to right lung.
11/4/16 Huffing and puffing, low O2, high heart rate, on tiniest bit of exertion. Diagnosed as radiation pneumonitis. Treated with Prednisone.
11/11/16 PET scan shows significant improvement to radiated part of right lung BUT a bunch of new lung lesions, and the bone met is getting worse.
11/22/16 Begin Eribulin and Herceptin. H every 3 weeks. E two weeks on, one week off.
3/6/17 Scan shows progression in lungs. Bone met a little better.
3/23/17 Lung biopsy. Tumor sampled is ER-, PR+ (5%), HER2+++. Getting Herceptin and Perjeta as a maintenance treatment.
5/31/17 Port placement
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Old 07-10-2012, 11:33 PM   #11
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Thanks Lani, this is very important in decisions whether to stop IV herceptin or not after metastasis of her2+...NEVER !!
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Hope this is the first step in finding more about how some of us stage IV types CAN and DO achive a long complete response.

Marvass - I stopped Herceptin after nearly 8 years - in Dec of 2008. I knew it was a chance I was taking, and so far, so good. Prior to 2008, I thought I would take it for the rest of my life or until it was no longer working.

From what I glean from the article, I fit the response group with several factors like hormone negative, liver mets mainly, and getting Herceptin with a Taxane at stage IV diagnosis.

Hope the researchers keep winnowing down into the subgroups to see where patients fit and how best to treat them.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:18 AM   #13
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StephN, 8 years is long as though you took it forever! So if there were any cells left surely the herceptin had time to find them and destroy them.
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I was diagnosed with liver mets from
the start but I received AC chemo first and then herceptin with taxotere. Does that mean I am not "potentially curable". Do you have to have received herceptin first?
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Old 07-11-2012, 03:20 AM   #15
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Dear unregistered
I think what Stephanie posted makes a lot of sense. The simple answer is they just don't know for certain who will achieve this long term response.i suspect more research from other centres will highlight more sub groups than we currently know about and more combos of chemo that can achieve it.
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Old 07-11-2012, 06:32 AM   #16
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Re: MUST READ-- metastatic her2+ breast cancer not necessarily the death sentence it

Ongoing research will continue. With an estimate one in nine women getting breast cancer, and one of those having HER+ cancer, the population is high enough to warrant companies to address this disease. If the population gets too small, it is harder to justify the investigational cost for an organization. If a treatment can be determined that is broad spectrum enough, ie pnencillin based treatment of infections, then the cost and ability to treat should continue to come down. This will make doctors and insurance companies be more willing to provide effective treatment. I will say that we have had exceptionally little pushback on anything, but our contribution has put a damper on what we can do as a couple.

The state of care for Herceptin positive patients can be looked at as we have gone from a slide rule to a hand held calculator. We need to move to I-phone 5s and Samsung Galaxy III in treatment. Be the research team for your personal health care. Your patient population is one.

Thank you Lani for your continued good work.
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