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06-28-2011, 11:09 AM
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Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Hi Friends~
Just firing off this quick question while I wait for a cab to take me to the airport to head back to Atlanta.
I've been traveling to Nashville for a PI3Kinase+Herceptin study, after being on TDM1 x 6 months, and then getting booted off for (questionable) progression in lungs.
I've made it through the first 2 cycles/8weeks of weekly visits, had my 1st scans 3 weeks ago that showed everything stable and specifically "unchanged several subcentimeter left hepatic lobe hypodensities."
So this is my 1st return visit since those scans.
I was scheduled to get my Herceptin, and continue on with the 2pills/day of the study drug, but my liver enzymes have come back extremely elevated.
ALT - 409 (previously 39)
AST - 535 (previously 63)
Alkaline Phosphotase - 542 (previously 312)
Billirubin, Total - 1.4 (previously 0.9)
Because it's so abrupt and so high, they're holding all treatment. I'm going to have a liver US asap to determine if a bile duct is obstructed.
I am of course hoping for a simple explanation & a quick fix, but I'm terrified that something else is going on again. It's really hard not to freak out & let my mind snowball into getting kicked off this 2nd trial, and I only have Halaven left, since I've done everything else...
Oh and also, I had a R hepatectomy in December 2005, but have never had issues with elevated liver enzymes until today.
Thanks so much in advance for any words of wisdom and encouragement you can offer.
Keep the Faith~
Jessica
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06-28-2011, 12:26 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
I hope things work out and they find a simple reason and easy fix. I suspect it just feels like you've done "everything else". There may be options. Maybe post a med history in signature at some point.
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06-28-2011, 03:00 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
I dont have any advice but do hope this is something easily treated and not what we fear!
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Dx July '05 IDC 1.9cm Triple positive 3/9 nodes positive
A/C X 4 ..Taxol/Herceptin x 12 wks then herceptin 1 yr
Rads x 36 ..oophorectomy August '06
Currently taking Arimidex..
June 2011 osteopenia/ zometa x1 yearly- stopped Zometa 2015 as Dexa show normal bone density.
Stopped Arimidex July 2014- Restarted Arimidex 2015 for a further two years on the advice of my Onc.
2014 Normal Dexa scan
2018 Mammo all clear, still NED!
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06-28-2011, 03:08 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Jessica = I too hope the US will show nothing cancer related and easily treated. Thinking of you and will watch for more updates. Pam
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6/01 IBC er+ her2+stage IIIb; mastecomy
7/01 AC, taxol; radiation
2/02 tamoxifen
9/02 stage IV bone mets femara
1/03 taxotere/herceptin/aredia
6/03 herceptin, aredia & faslodex
1/04 navelbine, herceptin, aredia
2/05 herceptin/aredia
7/05 xeloda/herceptin/aredia
3/07 xeloda/tykerb/aredia
5/08 taxol/avastin/aredia
2/09 gemzar/herceptin/zometa
7/09 Taxol/Carbo/Herceptin, zometa
10/09 navelbine/herceptin & zometa
2/10 herceptin & tykerb & zometa
4/10 add xeloda &aromasin
10/10 dx with dermatomyiositis triggered by cancer
11/10 restart herceptin, tykerb, zometa
12/10 surgery-place rod in R femur to stabilize bone
1/11 radiation to R femur - 20 tx
2/11 2nd surgery - rod in Left femur
2/11 tx eribulen -- suspended dx brain mets
3/11 brain mets wbr 20 tx
4/11 halaven; discontine 8/11 not working
8/11 radiation to left femur 20 tx'
8-9/11 rad to lower spine
9/11 abraxane/herceptin/zometa
9/12 xeloda/herceptin/zometa
12/12 ablation of liver
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06-28-2011, 03:22 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Dear Jessica -
So sorry to learn that you had to leave the T-DM1 trial and find another treatment. Can you tell us more about this new treatment? Maybe post under the Clinical Trials forum?
Also hate to hear that your liver enzymes are so elevated. There are dozens of possible causes, and I will pray that your bile ducts are not the reason.
Here is a link to Mayo's on the subject of elevated liver enzymes. Maybe you can find another cause that might be reasonable in their long list.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ele...SECTION=causes
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"When I hear music, I fear no danger. I am invulnerable. I see no foe. I am related to the earliest times, and to the latest." H.D. Thoreau
Live in the moment.
MY STORY SO FAR ~~~~
Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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06-28-2011, 09:35 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Sorry to hear your having this problem with your liver function tests, Jessica. I hope you are feeling OK and there is a relatively straightforward cause and clear path to resolve it.
Trish
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6/2004 6 cycles(FEC), Oct 40 rads, Tamoxifen
5/2006 oopherectomy, Arimedex
12/2006 liver mets largest 9cm
1/2007 Herceptin,
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6/2011 Liver and bone mets prog.Abraxane continue Herceptin,Tykerb,Femara and Zometa
8/2011 Probable liver progression and increased neuropathy. Xeloda with Tyk+Herc. Zometa 6 weekly.
9/2011 Liver progression,TM +++. Cyclophosphamide and Methotrexate metro Herc Zometa
10/2011 liver mets prog.Herc, 3 Tykerb +2mg decodron daily,Zometa
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06-29-2011, 08:36 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
I do not know what could be going on, but drugs can send your live enzymes into the stratosphere. Why not try some mild thistle while you await your US results?
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Smile On!
Laurel
Dx'd w/multifocal DCIS/IDS 3/08
7mm invasive component
Partial mast. 5/08
Stage 1b, ER 80%, PR 90%, HER-2 6.9 on FISH
0/5 nodes
4 AC, 4 TH finished 9/08
Herceptin every 3 weeks. Finished 7/09
Tamoxifen 10/08. Switched to Femara 8/09
Bilat SPM w/reconstruction 10/08
Clinical Trial w/Clondronate 12/08
Stopped Clondronate--too hard on my gizzard!
Switched back to Tamoxifen due to tendon pain from Femara
15 Years NED
I think I just might hang around awhile....
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06-29-2011, 10:15 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Hi -
I think Laurel might have meant MILK THISTLE?
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"When I hear music, I fear no danger. I am invulnerable. I see no foe. I am related to the earliest times, and to the latest." H.D. Thoreau
Live in the moment.
MY STORY SO FAR ~~~~
Found suspicious lump 9/2000
Lumpectomy, then node dissection and port placement
Stage IIB, 8 pos nodes of 18, Grade 3, ER & PR -
Adriamycin 12 weekly, taxotere 4 rounds
36 rads - very little burning
3 mos after rads liver full of tumors, Stage IV Jan 2002, one spot on sternum
Weekly Taxol, Navelbine, Herceptin for 27 rounds to NED!
2003 & 2004 no active disease - 3 weekly Herceptin + Zometa
Jan 2005 two mets to brain - Gamma Knife on Jan 18
All clear until treated cerebellum spot showing activity on Jan 2006 brain MRI & brain PET
Brain surgery on Feb 9, 2006 - no cancer, 100% radiation necrosis - tumor was still dying
Continue as NED while on Herceptin & quarterly Zometa
Fall-2006 - off Zometa - watching one small brain spot (scar?)
2007 - spot/scar in brain stable - finished anticoagulation therapy for clot along my port-a-catheter - 3 angioplasties to unblock vena cava
2008 - Brain and body still NED! Port removed and scans in Dec.
Dec 2008 - stop Herceptin - Vaccine Trial at U of W begun in Oct. of 2011
STILL NED everywhere in Feb 2014 - on wing & prayer
7/14 - Started twice yearly Zometa for my bones
Jan. 2015 checkup still shows NED
2015 Neuropathy in feet - otherwise all OK - still NED.
Same news for 2016 and all of 2017.
Nov of 2017 - had small skin cancer removed from my face. Will have Zometa end of Jan. 2018.
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06-30-2011, 05:30 AM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Ha! I sure did, Steph, thanks!
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Smile On!
Laurel
Dx'd w/multifocal DCIS/IDS 3/08
7mm invasive component
Partial mast. 5/08
Stage 1b, ER 80%, PR 90%, HER-2 6.9 on FISH
0/5 nodes
4 AC, 4 TH finished 9/08
Herceptin every 3 weeks. Finished 7/09
Tamoxifen 10/08. Switched to Femara 8/09
Bilat SPM w/reconstruction 10/08
Clinical Trial w/Clondronate 12/08
Stopped Clondronate--too hard on my gizzard!
Switched back to Tamoxifen due to tendon pain from Femara
15 Years NED
I think I just might hang around awhile....
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06-30-2011, 01:16 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Sending prayers your way that the US will be unremarkable and something simple is occurring. Stay strong, we are here for you!
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Diagnosed: Feb 2010 @ 46 yrs old
Invasive Ductual Carcinoma, left
2/28/10 Bilateral Mastectomy (tissue saving for future reconstruction)
3.2 cm 2/18 +lymph nodes
Stage 2b; E+/P+/Her2 +++
Nottingham score grade 2
Ki67 30%
3/2010 A/C 4 DD/2wks
5/2010 Herceptin/Taxotere 4D/3wks
8/2010 Herceptin until May 2011
Tamoxifin 20mg
9/2010 RAD 34 treatments
Pet scan Aug 2010 clear
Port removed July 2011
Bone scan, chest MRI 12/11 clear
Vaccine trial began Oct 2011
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07-24-2011, 05:16 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Jessica,
Just wanted to say 'Hi' and hope things have improved.
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07-28-2011, 08:29 AM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
HI Everyone~
Thanks for keeping up with me & sorry I haven't been back to post an up-date.
It's been quite a rollercoaster these past 4 weeks and life has gotten really complicated again.
I'll start a new post, as I have new findings (mets in colon-has anyone ever heard of this???) and have been dropped for the 2nd study - the PI3Kinase/Herceptin study, and will be starting Halaven next week.
As for the liver enzyme issues - I had a liver CT that came back clean - no masses causing obstructions or dilated vessels - which was/is wonderful news. And I met with a hepatologist and have been having labs drawn 2x week for the past 4 weeks. Fortunately, the LFT's have just gradually come down to WNL on their own.
The hepatologist didn't have any ideas of what might have caused the spike, other than exposure to some weird virus, as my eosinophils were elevated too. But he said there was no reason to go in and poke & prod & biopsy my liver if the LFT's were returning to normal on their own.
However, in terms of the study, the LFT's would have had to return to normal within 21 days of suspending treatment in order for me to continue. Since it took 28 days, I was booted off the study.
That came with it's own bag of frustrations, because originally I was told there was no time limit, then I was told there was, but that the PI would petition for an exemption and I would be able to start back this week, and then finally told that the sponsor denied the petition and I was taken off study.
All of this was going on while I was waiting to speak with the GI doc regarding my colonoscopy results. I fill in the details on my new post, but as I mentioned earlier, there are 2 areas of my colon that looked "inflamed" that the GI doc took biopsies and now turn out to be BC mets.
I feel totally blindsided by that news because I have never heard of BC mets to the colon.
I go see my onc today @1pm to start making plans to start Halaven. I have run the gamut of all the approved combos for MBC and Halaven is the only one I haven't had. Thank God it's available, bc as we scoured around looking for another study for me, we've had no luck.
I'm feeling very defeated again. Like I just can't take the humiliation of working so hard & fighting so hard and tolerating so much only to be blindsided by this disease
invading another part of my body.
In addition to all of this, my sweet father suffered a catastrophic stroke the ~12 weeks ago. The same week that I was traveling to Nashville to screen for the PI3Kinase study & there was no way I could travel to Hawaii to see him and my Mom. Then I was on weekly visits to Nashville for the study for the next 6 weeks, so I still couldn't get to Hawaii. Finally, when I moved into the q3week visit schedule of the study I went right to Hawaii. It was on my return visit to Nashville that the liver enzymes spiked, and then all this other stuff started happening. I'm stunned by all of this and can't figure out how I'm going to tell my Mom, as her plate is so full, taking care of my dad, who still isn't able to speak, but by the grace of God is getting physically stronger every day.I just don't want to give her one more thing to worry about, but at the same time I just want to run to her for her comfort when I'm feeling so scared and defeated.
Trying to keep the faith~
Jml
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07-28-2011, 09:05 AM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Your braveness astounds me! Really you are a true fighter. I am so glad that there is a chemo available which will get things back in check.
I have never heard of bc mets to the colon. I suspect this is very rare.
Glad you've checked in and wishing you good luck for the new treatment.
Ellie
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07-28-2011, 10:53 AM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Gods blessing to you and your family! If I can be so bold, I would have told my mon about my dxs but she past away 3 months before I new! I wish I could talk to her everyday. Some one told me once "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" I believe it. If your mom is as strong a woman as you are her load will be light enough to help you too. I do mean this in a warm ,loving, heartfelt way! Peace
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Stage 3a
ER 98% PR 80%
Her2 +3
4/12 nodes
6 rounds TCH
Herceptin 12 months 3weeks
Rad. 30 tx
Tamoxifin 6 months stopped
Arimedex stopped 9/12 (side effects)
Aromasin 10/12
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07-28-2011, 11:33 AM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Sending peace and hugs your way. I know you have many decisions to make, but share it with your family. Just as you are there to hold them up, they are there to share your load! Stay strong and keep trying, the Halaven may be the answer! We will be praying for you every step of the way!
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Diagnosed: Feb 2010 @ 46 yrs old
Invasive Ductual Carcinoma, left
2/28/10 Bilateral Mastectomy (tissue saving for future reconstruction)
3.2 cm 2/18 +lymph nodes
Stage 2b; E+/P+/Her2 +++
Nottingham score grade 2
Ki67 30%
3/2010 A/C 4 DD/2wks
5/2010 Herceptin/Taxotere 4D/3wks
8/2010 Herceptin until May 2011
Tamoxifin 20mg
9/2010 RAD 34 treatments
Pet scan Aug 2010 clear
Port removed July 2011
Bone scan, chest MRI 12/11 clear
Vaccine trial began Oct 2011
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07-28-2011, 02:11 PM
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Re: Bile duct obstruction/ elevated liver enzymes, anyone?
Oh Jessica;
I just want you to know that I am sending my prayers and support your way. I truly hope that things will work out and treatments will get you back on track. I wish I could take some of this struggle away from you.
Love & Hugs,
Kris......
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Nottingham 6/9 - Grade 2 5.2cm, several nodes
06/23/09 - Neoadjuvant - TCH Herceptin til June
10/07/09 - Finished Chemo
10/27/09 - Mastectomy RB
Path Report: RB No residual tumor pCR,
2 of 15 pos - .5mm largest micromets
12/18/09 - Radiation started (28)
02/05/10 - Finished Radiation
01/11/10 - Started Femara
06/22/10 - Finished Herceptin.. My son's 22nd BD. Hope it's a sign! Hoping for the best.
11/15/10 - Started Walter Reed BC Vaccine trial at
1/04/11 - Sibley Mem. Had to withdraw due to met
01/23/11 - Stage IV - Brain Met 1.6cm 1.7cm
02/03/11 - Gamma Knife (2 fracts to minmize necrosis)
03/01/11 - Gamma Knife
6/11 - Necrosis
7/11 - Necrosis stopped & Tumor progression
8/11 = Now think it's really necrosis
9/11 - Avastin every two weeks -- It's working!! Necrosis is shrinking.
12/11 - Necrosis gone AVASTIN worked.
12/11 - Bone &CT found
Oct '10 - Ran Hartford 1/2 Marathon to Thank Dr. Slamon for Herceptin!
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