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Old 11-20-2007, 11:15 AM   #1
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Unhappy Down in the Dumps

I am feeling so down in the dumps....started Abraxane with Tykerb 2 weeks ago, as Pet showed activity increasing in my lung met. I guess I will be bald for my 50th birthday, and my friends had to cancel the surprize party they were planning because the Dr. told me to stay out of the public. 2nd treatment had me down on the couch/bed/chair for four days and I had to get IV yesterday because I was so dehydrated. I also have a small brain met and now they are saying they won't do stereotactic on that until the lung met is under control - and I am so afraid what will happen while I wait. It seems like for every step forward I take there is a step back...or more. I am usually considered one of the most positive people where I get treated....I am often utilized as positive reinforcement for other people - I just cannot seem to pick myself back up right now.
Ok, I'm done whining, but does anybody have any suggestions for me to help myself back up? Has anyone else had to wait to have a brain met treated like this or should I start looking for more opinions or somewhere else to be treated? Has anyone ever went to (or know someone who has went to) Cancer Centers of America and are they any good?
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10/03 Radical Mastectomy 3 cm tumor - 1/17 Nodes Stage II B, Her 2 +++ ER-/PR- 11/03 4 AC 4 Taxol 12/05 Stage IV - Lung met , Bone mets - Carbo, Taxotere, Herceptin 9/06 - 2 cm brain tumor 10/06 - Tumor removal surgery - Herceptin Halted 12/06 gamma knife tumor base.1/07 Navelbine/Herceptin 4/07 Rads to R femur 5/07 Stereotactic - new 2 cm brain tumor 4/07 Start Xeloda 5/07 Tykerb added 7/07 Brain MRI clean 10/07 .055 cm brain met found. 12/07 Stereotactic -1 cm brain tumor Start Tykerb 11/07 Abraxane/Herceptin 5/08 Cisplatin, Gemcitabine/Herceptin 6/08 Stereotactic to 1cm 9/08 Stereotactic repeat (growth). 11/08 Pet Scan Good but new tiny met on L lung/dead Brain surgery (no cancer cells found/scar tissue) 1/09 Chemo restarted 2/09 Pet Scan Bad - R larger very active/active L active lymph nodes both sides of chest MRI- mets slight increase 2/09 Start Doxil/Tykerb Treatment
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:20 AM   #2
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Hi Barb,
Sorry to hear your latest news. Don't be so hard on yourself and expect to always have that postive attitude and happy smile. You deserve to have a down in the dumps day. You're human and have feelings and thoughts and hopes and dreams just like everyone else.
I haven't encountered the problem that you have but I'm sure that there are others who will answer you. I just wanted you to know that I'm thinking of you and praying tomorrow will be a much better day.
And I'm so sad that you're having a hard time with the treatment, you've been through enough.
Gentle hugs for you
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:24 AM   #3
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Talking Now There...

I am picking you up and wiping them knees. You are not whining Darling, just having a moment of despair and that is so understandable. You have been through so much and yes, I too see you as a positive person. Even the most positive person can sound like your post, do not pressure yourself like that. Bad day Sweetie, we are here for you so talk away. Sometimes we need to fall a step behind in order to gain a few steps ahead. I will pray for you and hold you dear in my heart and hope that the wait for things to fall together gets better with each passing moment. Keep hydrated the best you can. Tomorrow is coming and hopefully you will be that much closer to fixing all the distress that you are facing at the moment. Love and Gynormous Hugs>>Believe51
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:26 AM   #4
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Sorry you are down in the dumps but that happens to all of us. It's probably worse now with the Holiday season upon us.

I can't understand why your oncologist won't consider sterostatic on your brain met until your lung mets are under control. I was diagnosed with lung mets and a small brain met shortly after that. I was on chemo for the lung mets and had CyberKnife done for the brain met which was a total success. I did not have to stop my chemo in order to have the CyberKnife procedure done. I know that if you have WBR (whole brain radiation) you must stop chemo first but you should ask your oncologist about CyberKnife or GammaKnife. The CyberKnife procedure took about an hour and a half, was completely painless and did the job on my brain met. I'm still on chemo for my lung mets and my last scan showed slight improvement. Now my problem is that I have pneumonia and was unable to get chemo last week and probably will not get it this week either. But I'm still getting my Herceptin.
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Stage IIIC Diagnosed Oct 25, 2005 (age 58)
ER/PR-, HER2+++, grade 3, Ploidy/DNA index: Aneuploid/1.61, S-phase: 24.2%
Neoadjunct chemo: 4 A/C; 4 Taxatore
Bilateral mastectomy June 8, 2006
14 of 26 nodes positive
Herceptin June 22, 2006 - April 20, 2007
Radiation (X35) July 24-September 11, 2006
BRCA1/BRCA2 negative
Stage IV lung mets July 13, 2007 - TCH
Single brain met - August 6, 2007 -CyberKnife
Oct 2007 - clear brain MRI and lung mets shrinking.
March 2008 lung met progression, brain still clear - begin Tykerb/Xeloda/Ixempra
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:56 AM   #5
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Well, you might have to stay out of the public for your birthday...but that doesn't mean I can't come right up and give you a GREAT BIG OLD BIRTHDAY HUG!!!!!
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age 54 at diagnosis
5/05 suspicious mammogram-left breast
5/05 biopsy-invasive lobular carcinoma with LCIS,8mm tumor,stage 1 grade 2, ER+ PR+ Her2+++
6/14/05 bilateral mastectomy, node neg. all scans neg.
Oncotype DX-high risk
8/05-10/05 4 rounds A/C
10/05 -10/06 1 yr. herceptin
arimidex-5 years
2/14/08 started daily self administered injections..FORTEO for severe osteoporosis
7/28/09 BRCA 1 negative BRCA2 POSITIVE
8/17/09 prophylactic salpingo-oophorectomy
10/15/10 last FORTEOinjection
RECLAST infusion(ostoeporosis)
6/14/10 5 year cancerversary!
8/2010-18%increase in bone density!
no further treatments
Oncologist says, "Go do the Happy Dance"
I say,"What a long strange trip its been"
'One day at a time'
6-14-2015. 10 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!
7-16 to 9-16. Extensive (and expensive) dental work done to save teeth. Damage from osteoporosis and chemo and long term bisphosphonate use
6-14-16. 11 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
7-20-16 Prolia injection for severe osteoporosis
2 days later, massive hive outbreak. This led to an eventual dx of Chronic Ideopathic Urticaria, an auto-immune disease from HELL.
6-14-17 12 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!!
still suffering from CIU. 4 hospitilizations in the past year

as of today, 10-31-17 in remission from CIU and still, CANCER FREE!!!
6-14-18 13 YEAR CANCERVERSARY!! NED!!
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:19 PM   #6
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OK, what I learned is this (now this is what my docs told me, but I can't say that it will apply to you...) - but that with my brain mets being small, showing no swelling, and not being in an area that was in danger of causing debilitating symptoms, that if I chose to start my Tykerb/Xeloda first and waited a month to MRI again to see if we were getting response, they didn't expect to see much growth (if any, it was predicted maybe 10%) of the brain mets in that period of time. Ask your onc how fast they think your met will progress (if at all) and based on the size and location, is it near anything that could cause symptoms or damage? Remember, too, that Tykerb crosses the blood brain barrier, so they may be thinking that it will help hold the met stable until you can radiate. (Tykerb/Xeloda completely eradicated my brain mets with no radiation so far... but everyone is different. I will do targeted radiation in the future if the pesky mets show up again.)

Hope this helps.
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NOV 2012 - 9 yr anniversary
JULY 2012 - 7 yr anniversary stage IV (of 50...)

Nov'03~ dX stage 2B
Dec'03~
Rt side mastectomy, Her2+, ER/PR+, 10 nodes out, one node positive
Jan'04~
Taxotere/Adria/Cytoxan x 6, NED, no Rads, Tamox. 1 year, Arimadex 3 mo., NED 14 mo.
Sept'05~
micro mets lungs/chest nodes/underarm node, Switched to Aromasin, T/C/H x 7, NED 6 months - Herceptin only
Aug'06~
micro mets chest nodes, & bone spot @ C3 neck, Added Taxol to Herceptin
Feb'07~ Genetic testing, BRCA 1&2 neg

Apr'07~
MRI - two 9mm brain mets & 5 punctates, new left chest met, & small increase of bone spot C3 neck, Stopped Aromasin
May'07~
Started Tykerb/Xeloda, no WBR for now
June'07~
MRI - stable brain mets, no new mets, 9mm spots less enhanced, CA15.3 down 45.5 to 9.3 in 10 wks, Ty/Xel working magic!
Aug'07~
MRI - brain mets shrunk half, NO NEW BRAIN METS!!, TMs stable @ 9.2
Oct'07~
PET/CT & MRI show NED
Apr'08~
scans still show NED in the head, small bone spot on right iliac crest (rear pelvic bone)
Sept'08~
MRI shows activity in brain mets, completed 5 fractions/5 consecutive days of IMRT to zap the pesky buggers
Oct'08~
dropped Xeloda, switched to tri-weekly Herceptin in combo with Tykerb, extend to tri-monthly Zometa infusion
Dec'08~
Brain MRI- 4 spots reduced to punctate size, large spot shrunk by 3mm, CT of torso clear/pelvis spot stable
June'09~
new 3-4mm left cerrebellar spot zapped with IMRT targeted rads
Sept'09~
new 6mm & 1 cm spots in pituitary/optic chiasm area. Rx= 25 days of 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the tumors.
Oct'09~
25 days of low dose 3D conformal fractionated targeted IMRT to the bone mets spot on rt. iliac crest that have been watching for 2 years. Added daily Aromasin back into treatment regimen.
Apr'10~ Brain MRI clear! But, see new small spot on adrenal gland. Change from Aromasin back to Tamoxifen.
June'10~ Tumor markers (CA15.3) dropped from 37 to 23 after one month on Tamoxifen. Continue to monitor adrenal gland spot. Remain on Tykerb/Herceptin/Tamoxifen.
Nov'10~ Radiate positive mediastinal node that was pressing on recurrent laryngeal nerve, causing paralyzed larynx and a funny voice.
Jan'11~ MRI shows possible activity or perhaps just scar tissue/necrotic increase on 3 previously treated brain spots and a pituitary spot. 5 days of IMRT on 4 spots.
Feb'11~ Enrolled in T-DM1 EAP in Denver, first treatment March 25, 2011.
Mar'11~ Finally started T-DM1 EAP in Denver at Rocky Mountain Cancer Center/Rose on Mar. 25... hallelujah.

"I would rather be anecdotally alive than statistically dead."

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Old 11-20-2007, 01:48 PM   #7
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Sometimes I want to hug a teddy bear or a rag doll. Sometimes I want my mommy! Come to think of it, I think I will buy myself a raggedy ann for christmas. Seriously, we're never too old to get this kind of comfort. Do whatever it takes. I think you have a good chance to get those mets under control. Big hug from me, too.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:48 PM   #8
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Wink Do You Know Dora???

I just bought my almost 3 yr old granddaughter an almost big as her DORA THE EXPLORER, a character she is in love with. I reached out and clipped her off the hook she was hanging on. She kind of called out to me. Darling! Now, I am thinking of going back to the store and buying one for *me* after reading MJo's post. Well my two little sheep (white Maltese boy pups) pretty much serve the same purpose.

Barb, it's okay for even you to have a not so cheery, borderline melancholy, what's going on day. Cyberhugs are guaranteed germ free. So I am sending you some, for today, and for your big Bday!! So you'll surprise your friends and get better fast and live to celebrate a different day. Life rarely goes as we plan. We don't know the Big Picture. And the bumpy jarring ruts in the road force us to appreciate what we do have and to learn to adapt to the annoying interruptions we hadn't counted on. It is good tat you're ruminating. You got some great advice from the wise ones on the board.

Hope you're feeling all the love headed your way.

BTW, you're not whining! You're ventilating. That's a good thing. Vent away. We can take it. We have strong shoulders. Especially when we have our dolls close by to hug and make us smile...
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'98 -- multiple mets to liver. HER2+ 80%. ER/PR- Raging, highly aggressive tumors spreading fast. New PORT. 9 mnths Taxotere Fought fire w/fire! Pronounced in cautious remission 5/99. Taxotere weekly for 6 wks, 2 wks off -- for 9 mnths. TALK ABOUT GRUELING! (I believe they've altered that protocol since those days -- sure hope so!!)
+ good old Vit H wkly for 1st 3 yrs, then triple dosage ev 3 wks for 7 yrs more... The "easy" chemo, right?! Not a walk in the park, but not a freight train coming at 'ya either...

Added Herceptin Nov '98 (6 wks after FDA fast-tracked it for met bc). Stayed w/Vit H till July '08! Now I AM FREE! Humbly and eternally grateful for this life-saving drug! NED since '99 and planning on keeping it that way. To hell w/poor prognosis and nasty stats! STOPPED VIT H JULY '08...! REMAIN STABLE... Eternally grateful...Yes is a world & in this world of yes live (skillfully curled) all worlds ... (e e cummings) EVERY DAY I BEAT MY PREVIOUS RECORD FOR # OF CONSECUTIVE DAYS I'VE STAYED ALIVE. Smile KNOWING you too can be a miracle. Up to me and God now...
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Old 11-20-2007, 06:57 PM   #9
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Don't be so hard on yourself. It's okay to be mad, cry, be down in the dumps as you have been through alot. Mourn for your old self, then pick yourself back up and fight like hell!!!! Life has alot yet to offer you and you will be well again. Sending loving prayers that God wraps his healing arms around you and gives you the stregnth you need to keep on fighting.
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Diag 10/2006-high grade invasive ductal carcinoma- mastectomy L breast
2.5 cm tumor ER/PR pos-Her2+++
4 rounds A/C, 4 rounds Taxol
Herceptin every 3 weeks until Jan. 2008
6/18/07 prophylatic mastectomy R breast
8/2007 started aromasin/stopped arimidex (side effects)
12/07 stopped aromasin due to side effects (now what?)
Finished herceptin 1/8/08
started tamoxifen for 2 years then will switch to femera
allergic to tamoxifen started femera 4/2008
June 20, 2008 portacath removed
Learnig to live life to the fullest!
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Old 11-20-2007, 07:37 PM   #10
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Barb -

I don't really have any words of wisdom as some of the others on the site usually have but I wanted you to know that I am thinking about you and just darn frustrated that you have to deal with all this. Having to wait on treatment for that brain met-----no wonder you are down in the dumps.
Just lean on everyone here--you know we are all here for you.
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3.8 cm tumor and 9 mm tumor
Stage IIb/SN positive(no other nodes)Grade 3
Bilat. mastect. 12/05 (Rt.prophylactic) followed with AC/taxol/Herceptin/tamoxifen then switched to arimidex after hysterectomy in 12/06. August 07 switched to Aromasin due to severe jt. pain from Arimidex. Nov. 2011 No more meds and NED!
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:47 PM   #11
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Dear Barb,

I don't have any info on the brain mets but I want you to know I do understand how you feel about being down in the dumps, I am praying for you my friend and I am sure you will pick yourself up and battle this set back with everything you have!

Love Karen
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DX 1998 STAGE I ER+/ PR+
AC CHEMO TILL FEB 1999
Tamxofin till 2001
2001 exstensive liver mets and mets to lungs
Started weekly taxol
Jan 2002 found out I was strongly HER2POS+++ started herceptin continued with taxol and herceptin till June 2002 then from June 2002 till Jan 2005 just herceptin and Arimidex
2005 Navelbine herceptin had RFA Then back on taxol with herceptin
April 2006 progression again went on clinical trial with tykrerb/herceptin progressed on the started Xeloda/ herceptin
Feb 2007 started Doxil
August 2007 Taxotere,Carboplatin and Herceptin exstensive mets to liver and pancreas
October 2007 Had to stop Carboplatin due to sever allergic reaction
Jan 2008
Stopped Taxotere due to progression now on Gemzar and Herceptin
March 2008 Starting Carboplatin, Abraxane, and Herceptin.
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